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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 21, 2023 6:41:28 GMT -5
Without even addressing the troubles in the Pitino history, I don’t think Pitino was a realistic option if St. John’s wanted him. His current house at Winged Foot is about an hour from St. John’s. He has coached in the New York City area for years. He had a prior relationship with the leadership at St. John’s. Maybe he just is where he wants to be. He absolutely, 100% wanted to be at Georgetown and made no secret of this to the people making the decision at GU. Ditto. Everyone here will just pray that Pitno lost it after all those years; if he is still the same Pitno from the good ole days of Louisville/Kentucky, this is going to sting and keep bringing back the what if questions throughout the next decade; Pitno will also have extra chip on his shoulder whenever he faces us, like the coach version of Josh Hart… |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 21, 2023 6:46:20 GMT -5
He absolutely, 100% wanted to be at Georgetown and made no secret of this to the people making the decision at GU. Ditto. Everyone here will just pray that Pitno lost it after all those years; if he is still the same Pitno from the good ole days of Louisville/Kentucky, this is going to sting and keep bringing back the what if questions throughout the next decade; Pitno will also have extra chip on his shoulder whenever he faces us, like the coach version of Josh Hart… I think Pitino will be good, very good at SJ. But I don’t think National Title expectations are realistic there either. To be honest I see a similar ceiling for us both as far as somewhere between S16 and F4. Their facilities are weak, it’s an awful campus, a lot of NYC kids have lost their desire to stay home, and the league is tougher to get a high seed from unless you have 2014-2018 Villanova like romp through the BE (which was an unique time where the league was much softer without UConn, us down, Marquette down, etc.). In a one game scenario, there’s few I’d chose over him. But I do think it’s not just an automatic thing to put SJ in the Final Four during his tenure. |
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2023 6:48:24 GMT -5
"Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson" What's the foundation for this assertion?? Are you suggesting that RT is not going to be removed from his sinecure? RT is most likely staying; i mean hes the one who helped JDG with getting Cooley (or more like steering JDG to only consider Cooley) to come here and Cooley wont sense any need to distance himself away from Ronny either when he also benefited from the process: pay raise and a job with better brand Move him out of the Athletic Dept/Basketball program and stick him on Jack D's staff doing G-d knows what. Sheesh. |
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 21, 2023 7:28:02 GMT -5
Yeah you never know; with reports of the billionaire booster wanting to get back involved presumably with NIL, it evens the playing field. I'm not thrilled about having to go against Rick up to 3 x a year but hey a strong big east is what's important. Just think of a Nova, Uconn, St John's, Gtown semi final in the BE tourney Fri night at the Garden. Place will be electric!!
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Post by wolveribe on Mar 21, 2023 7:39:56 GMT -5
Cooley has the same number of Big East Tournament Titles as Ewing, although Cooley has more seasons. Yay! I'm excited! Cooley also has 3 NCAA tournament wins in his career! And he's 9-10 in the Big East tournament. That's almost .500! Huge! We're now a national contender. Pitino would never be a good fit for a Catholic university. Not of a fan of poaching another Big East school basketball coach. I don't think that has ever happened before. Sometimes what goes around come around. Ed Cooley checks all the boxes: No scandals Winning basketball record: 334–222 (.601) History of turning programs around: Fairfield, Providence Considering how Georgetown basketball broke race barriers: African-American coach Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson I dont think anyone can argue that St. John's did not got the better coach: Rick Pitino 2 National Championships (1 vacated by the NCAA) 7 Final 4's (1 vacated by the NCAA) The only person to ever take 3 teams to a Final 4 (Providence, Kentucky, Louisville) (1 vacated by the NCAA) St. Johns is back as long as Rick Pitino can avoid any future scandals Ed Cooley (2011-2023) 3–7 (NCAA Division I) 9–10 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Champion, Never won the BET, 7 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 0 Final 4's A better coach than Patrick Ewing (2017-2023): 0 BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 1 NCAA Appearance(0-1 Record) 1 step below peak JTIII years (2005-2008): 2x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion (7-2 Record), 3 NCAA Appearances (6-3 Record): 2 Sweet 16's, 1 Final 4 On par with JTIII years (2009-2017): 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 0 BET Champion (7-8 Record), 5 NCAA Appearances (2-5 Record): 0 Sweet 16's, 0 Final 4's ^^This is who got hired I took a look quick look at Shaka Smart 320–161 (.665) 8–9 (NCAA Division I) 3–1 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 9 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final 4, just won his 1st NCAA game since 2014 by beating #15 Seed Vermont Salary is reportedly $3 million per year Shaka Smart's Yearly Salary at Marquette2 questions pop into my mind 1. Who is the better coach: Smart or Cooley? 2. Why are we paying 2x the amount of money for Ed Cooley? I would take Cooley in a heartbeat. Ed hasnt had Shakas Texas resources and I want to see what he can do with them. I know Shaka ha 1 year run at VCU…..other than that, what has he ever done? |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2023 8:07:56 GMT -5
Correction needed to the above: Cooley has won a BET. In 2014 they beat Creighton to win PC’s second BET title. Correction made, thanks. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 21, 2023 8:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 21, 2023 8:18:16 GMT -5
I hope that SJU loads up with talented NYC players and that we have epic battles with them again.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 21, 2023 8:36:33 GMT -5
Cooley has the same number of Big East Tournament Titles as Ewing, although Cooley has more seasons. Yay! I'm excited! Cooley also has 3 NCAA tournament wins in his career! And he's 9-10 in the Big East tournament. That's almost .500! Huge! We're now a national contender. Pitino would never be a good fit for a Catholic university. Not of a fan of poaching another Big East school basketball coach. I don't think that has ever happened before. Sometimes what goes around come around. Ed Cooley checks all the boxes: No scandals Winning basketball record: 334–222 (.601) History of turning programs around: Fairfield, Providence Considering how Georgetown basketball broke race barriers: African-American coach Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson I dont think anyone can argue that St. John's did not got the better coach: Rick Pitino 2 National Championships (1 vacated by the NCAA) 7 Final 4's (1 vacated by the NCAA) The only person to ever take 3 teams to a Final 4 (Providence, Kentucky, Louisville) (1 vacated by the NCAA) St. Johns is back as long as Rick Pitino can avoid any future scandals Ed Cooley (2011-2023) 3–7 (NCAA Division I) 9–10 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Champion, 1 BET Champion, 7 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 0 Final 4's A better coach than Patrick Ewing (2017-2023): 0 BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 1 NCAA Appearance(0-1 Record) 1 step below peak JTIII years (2005-2008): 2x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion (7-2 Record), 3 NCAA Appearances (6-3 Record): 2 Sweet 16's, 1 Final 4 On par with JTIII years (2009-2017): 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 0 BET Champion (7-8 Record), 5 NCAA Appearances (2-5 Record): 0 Sweet 16's, 0 Final 4's ^^This is who got hired I took a look quick look at Shaka Smart 320–161 (.665) 8–9 (NCAA Division I) 3–1 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 9 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final 4, just won his 1st NCAA game since 2014 by beating #15 Seed Vermont Salary is reportedly $3 million per year Shaka Smart's Yearly Salary at Marquette2 questions pop into my mind 1. Who is the better coach: Smart or Cooley? 2. Why are we paying 2x the amount of money for Ed Cooley? Since 2015, when Shaka started coaching in a Power 6 Conference, he is 1-5 in the tournament with 4 losses to lower seeded teams and his only win this year over Vermont. I think he’s a tremendous coach, and would have been happy to have him here in 2017, but those are the facts. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2023 8:41:49 GMT -5
Not of a fan of poaching another Big East school basketball coach. I don't think that has ever happened before. Sometimes what goes around come around. Ed Cooley checks all the boxes: No scandals Winning basketball record: 334–222 (.601) History of turning programs around: Fairfield, Providence Considering how Georgetown basketball broke race barriers: African-American coach Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson I dont think anyone can argue that St. John's did not got the better coach: Rick Pitino 2 National Championships (1 vacated by the NCAA) 7 Final 4's (1 vacated by the NCAA) The only person to ever take 3 teams to a Final 4 (Providence, Kentucky, Louisville) (1 vacated by the NCAA) St. Johns is back as long as Rick Pitino can avoid any future scandals Ed Cooley (2011-2023) 3–7 (NCAA Division I) 9–10 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Champion, Never won the BET, 7 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 0 Final 4's A better coach than Patrick Ewing (2017-2023): 0 BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 1 NCAA Appearance(0-1 Record) 1 step below peak JTIII years (2005-2008): 2x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion (7-2 Record), 3 NCAA Appearances (6-3 Record): 2 Sweet 16's, 1 Final 4 On par with JTIII years (2009-2017): 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 0 BET Champion (7-8 Record), 5 NCAA Appearances (2-5 Record): 0 Sweet 16's, 0 Final 4's ^^This is who got hired I took a look quick look at Shaka Smart 320–161 (.665) 8–9 (NCAA Division I) 3–1 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 9 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final 4, just won his 1st NCAA game since 2014 by beating #15 Seed Vermont Salary is reportedly $3 million per year Shaka Smart's Yearly Salary at Marquette2 questions pop into my mind 1. Who is the better coach: Smart or Cooley? 2. Why are we paying 2x the amount of money for Ed Cooley? I would take Cooley in a heartbeat. Ed hasnt had Shakas Texas resources and I want to see what he can do with them. I know Shaka ha 1 year run at VCU…..other than that, what has he ever done? Shakas run was with Antony Grants guys/recruits. Impressive motivator but has never been able to replicate that run with his own recruits. Kind of like Kevin Ollie winning the National Championship with Jim Calhoun recruits. You have to give Ollie Credit for winning six straight games but there are still questions |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2023 8:43:36 GMT -5
Pitino has only one national championship. His other one was vacated because the team was made up of great recruits and players that were lured by the sex recruiting |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 21, 2023 8:48:15 GMT -5
2. Who influenced Georgetown's Administration to pay this much for Ed Cooley? The market - given we ran back a 0-20 and went 2-19 and put ourselves into a giant hole of talent and a giant drop in engagement/ticket sales and APR. If you're in really bad shape as a program, you need to pay a premium to get a top coach. Sign me up! When do we get a “top coach”? |
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 21, 2023 8:50:03 GMT -5
The market - given we ran back a 0-20 and went 2-19 and put ourselves into a giant hole of talent and a giant drop in engagement/ticket sales and APR. If you're in really bad shape as a program, you need to pay a premium to get a top coach. Sign me up! When do we get a “top coach”? Yawn |
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 21, 2023 9:05:34 GMT -5
The reality of the situation is Pitino was never realistically coming here. We can bemoan that all we want but it's the truth. Shaka was not coming here last year for $3 million dollars. I've made this point in other threads but comparing Cooley's salary to other coaches is completely out of context. No other major program is trying to hire an established coach after going 7-46 in their last 53 games. There isn't an established coach on Cooley's level anywhere in the country that was coming here for anything less than Cooley is getting (other than Pitino, which again wasn't happening). |
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 21, 2023 9:07:35 GMT -5
The market - given we ran back a 0-20 and went 2-19 and put ourselves into a giant hole of talent and a giant drop in engagement/ticket sales and APR. If you're in really bad shape as a program, you need to pay a premium to get a top coach. Sign me up! When do we get a “top coach”? I get you like to troll Cooley. If that's what you want to do, that's fine. But seriously who would you have preferred we hire? And don't say Pitino, because that wasn't happening. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2023 9:08:53 GMT -5
The reality of the situation is Pitino was never realistically coming here. We can bemoan that all we want but it's the truth. Shaka was not coming here last year for $3 million dollars. I've made this point in other threads but comparing Cooley's salary to other coaches is completely out of context. No other major program is trying to hire an established coach after going 7-46 in their last 53 games. There isn't an established coach on Cooley's level anywhere in the country that was coming here for anything less than Cooley is getting (other than Pitino, which again wasn't happening). Providence didn’t want Pitino after losing Cooley. And they are in a desperate situation |
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Post by TC on Mar 21, 2023 9:13:42 GMT -5
Without even addressing the troubles in the Pitino history, I don’t think Pitino was a realistic option if St. John’s wanted him. His current house at Winged Foot is about an hour from St. John’s. He has coached in the New York City area for years. He had a prior relationship with the leadership at St. John’s. Maybe he just is where he wants to be. He absolutely, 100% wanted to be at Georgetown and made no secret of this to the people making the decision at GU. I don't doubt what you say about him making the case for himself or about him openly lobbying for the job - what I'm skeptical of is whether it was legitimate interest or whether he was going to try to use GU's willingness to pay an inflated salary to push the price on St. John's. I don't think we'll ever know. A lot of people said the same thing about Ed Cooley and the admin's read of that situation turned out to be correct in that Cooley had legitimate interest in GU and that this wasn't a contract ploy. Pitino had a lot of reasons not to leave NYC. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 21, 2023 9:31:36 GMT -5
Pitino was always going to stay in NYC.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 9:42:37 GMT -5
The reality of the situation is Pitino was never realistically coming here. We can bemoan that all we want but it's the truth. Shaka was not coming here last year for $3 million dollars. I've made this point in other threads but comparing Cooley's salary to other coaches is completely out of context. No other major program is trying to hire an established coach after going 7-46 in their last 53 games. There isn't an established coach on Cooley's level anywhere in the country that was coming here for anything less than Cooley is getting (other than Pitino, which again wasn't happening). Providence didn’t want Pitino after losing Cooley. And they are in a desperate situation PC never had a shot at Pitino. He was asking GU to hire him and then moved to SJ when that was not going to happen. No other jobs were considered. I can promise you this. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 9:44:29 GMT -5
Pitino was always going to stay in NYC. No, he was not. I can not stress this enough, he wanted to come to GU and was making contact months ago. |
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