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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 20, 2023 20:54:00 GMT -5
No need to search when you target and get your guy. This isn’t some open interview process where people submit applications. And if he changed his mind? Who are your back ups and what due diligence have you performed? How do you even have comfort you targeted the right guy? I mean, they only interviewed Pat last time because they knew he was the guy, and look at how that turned out. Some of this really MGMT 101. We are never going to know the details of this search, but it’s clear that the people who matter (DeGioia, maybe Reed but maybe not) wanted Cooley and wanted to make it happen. Had those people wanted Pitino that would have happened at less cost, they just did not want it. I truly think that given this administration, Cooley is the best possible choice. Pitino was never happening and everyone else would have been either a big risk (like Shrewsberry) or uninspiring (Brey, Kim English, Keatts). |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Mar 20, 2023 20:57:03 GMT -5
Pat Forde of Sports Illustrated gives it to Rick Pitino: "St. John’s fans can ask Iona fans, Kentucky fans, New York Knicks fans, Providence fans and Boston University fans about the Pitino experience. He won big, his teams were entertaining and he basked in the adoration—it was all incredibly fun. And then he was gone, heading for something brighter or richer, yearning for that next adrenaline shot that came with being pursued, being hired and becoming the New Savior In Town." -- "To recap: [at Louisville] a Pitino staffer arranged sex acts for players and recruits in the basketball dorm, which led to the school self-imposing a postseason ban, the 2013 national championship being vacated and Pitino being suspended by the NCAA for five games. He later had two other staffers who were found to have committed Level I violations in the FBI-related case, even though he escaped sanctions himself. Whether he knew what his assistants were doing would be immaterial in 2023. And if he didn’t know, let’s just say Pitino made a series of rather poor hiring decisions. In most businesses, the boss has to answer for the actions of his staff." www.si.com/college/2023/03/20/st-johns-hires-rick-pitino-despite-past-scandals-and-spin |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 20, 2023 21:01:23 GMT -5
And if he changed his mind? Who are your back ups and what due diligence have you performed? How do you even have comfort you targeted the right guy? I mean, they only interviewed Pat last time because they knew he was the guy, and look at how that turned out. Some of this really MGMT 101. We are never going to know the details of this search, but it’s clear that the people who matter (DeGioia, maybe Reed but maybe not) wanted Cooley and wanted to make it happen. Had those people wanted Pitino that would have happened at less cost, they just did not want it. I truly think that given this administration, Cooley is the best possible choice. Pitino was never happening and everyone else would have been either a big risk (like Shrewsberry) or uninspiring (Brey, Kim English, Keatts). Providence also apparently passed on Pitino |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 20, 2023 21:38:05 GMT -5
Pat Forde of Sports Illustrated gives it to Rick Pitino: "St. John’s fans can ask Iona fans, Kentucky fans, New York Knicks fans, Providence fans and Boston University fans about the Pitino experience. He won big, his teams were entertaining and he basked in the adoration—it was all incredibly fun. And then he was gone, heading for something brighter or richer, yearning for that next adrenaline shot that came with being pursued, being hired and becoming the New Savior In Town." -- "To recap: [at Louisville] a Pitino staffer arranged sex acts for players and recruits in the basketball dorm, which led to the school self-imposing a postseason ban, the 2013 national championship being vacated and Pitino being suspended by the NCAA for five games. He later had two other staffers who were found to have committed Level I violations in the FBI-related case, even though he escaped sanctions himself. Whether he knew what his assistants were doing would be immaterial in 2023. And if he didn’t know, let’s just say Pitino made a series of rather poor hiring decisions. In most businesses, the boss has to answer for the actions of his staff." www.si.com/college/2023/03/20/st-johns-hires-rick-pitino-despite-past-scandals-and-spinThis was the toughest thing for me to envision rooting for Pitino as my coach. I've never liked him, but I was ready to look past it if he made us a winner. But I do feel a sense of relief I won't have to be pretending to like him, and now we have a guy who I at least feel good about will give us a shot to beat him, which will feel all the more sweeter. |
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Post by KennaHoya on Mar 20, 2023 22:14:51 GMT -5
Without even addressing the troubles in the Pitino history, I don’t think Pitino was a realistic option if St. John’s wanted him. His current house at Winged Foot is about an hour from St. John’s. He has coached in the New York City area for years. He had a prior relationship with the leadership at St. John’s. Maybe he just is where he wants to be.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 20, 2023 22:51:53 GMT -5
Terrible in-game coaches don't last long on the bench. And criticizing in-game coaching is not unusual at all for segments of a fan base. Especially when that coach becomes a former coach.... |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 20, 2023 23:13:45 GMT -5
Without even addressing the troubles in the Pitino history, I don’t think Pitino was a realistic option if St. John’s wanted him. His current house at Winged Foot is about an hour from St. John’s. He has coached in the New York City area for years. He had a prior relationship with the leadership at St. John’s. Maybe he just is where he wants to be. Given various reporting and the fact that Pitino finalized his deal only after Cooley was officially linked to Georgetown, I think that's unlikely. But, I agree that there are multiple reasons to think that St. Johns and Pitino are a good match. |
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 20, 2023 23:22:17 GMT -5
Pitino was never ever in consideration for the Georgetown job. Hilltop Hoya and Casual Hoya pushed an agenda….but the administration would never consider it.
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Post by practice on Mar 21, 2023 2:58:47 GMT -5
Pitino was never ever in consideration for the Georgetown job. Hilltop Hoya and Casual Hoya pushed an agenda….but the administration would never consider it. Agenda? HOF/GOAT candidate v Ed Cooley? Yes, Cooley is about as good as we can expect …. but Pitino is by any measure a better and more successful coach. I think and hope it will work out great. With Cooley, but he will always be the 2nd best candidate. |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 21, 2023 3:33:31 GMT -5
Pitino was never ever in consideration for the Georgetown job. Hilltop Hoya and Casual Hoya pushed an agenda….but the administration would never consider it. Agenda? HOF/GOAT candidate v Ed Cooley? Yes, Cooley is about as good as we can expect …. but Pitino is by any measure a better and more successful coach. I think and hope it will work out great. With Cooley, but he will always be the 2nd best candidate. Wrong and yawn. |
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2023 5:11:39 GMT -5
Excited about the future with Coach Cooley! Cooley has the same number of Big East Tournament Titles as Ewing, although Cooley has more seasons. Yay! I'm excited! Cooley also has 3 NCAA tournament wins in his career! And he's 9-10 in the Big East tournament. That's almost .500! Huge! We're now a national contender. Pitino would never be a good fit for a Catholic university. Not of a fan of poaching another Big East school basketball coach. I don't think that has ever happened before. Sometimes what goes around come around. Ed Cooley checks all the boxes: No scandals Winning basketball record: 334–222 (.601) History of turning programs around: Fairfield, Providence Considering how Georgetown basketball broke race barriers: African-American coach Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson I dont think anyone can argue that St. John's did not got the better coach: Rick Pitino 2 National Championships (1 vacated by the NCAA) 7 Final 4's (1 vacated by the NCAA) The only person to ever take 3 teams to a Final 4 (Providence, Kentucky, Louisville) (1 vacated by the NCAA) St. Johns is back as long as Rick Pitino can avoid any future scandals Ed Cooley (2011-2023) 3–7 (NCAA Division I) 9–10 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Champion, 1 BET Champion, 7 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 0 Final 4's A better coach than Patrick Ewing (2017-2023): 0 BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 1 NCAA Appearance(0-1 Record) 1 step below peak JTIII years (2005-2008): 2x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion (7-2 Record), 3 NCAA Appearances (6-3 Record): 2 Sweet 16's, 1 Final 4 On par with JTIII years (2009-2017): 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 0 BET Champion (7-8 Record), 5 NCAA Appearances (2-5 Record): 0 Sweet 16's, 0 Final 4's ^^This is who got hired I took a look quick look at Shaka Smart 320–161 (.665) 8–9 (NCAA Division I) 3–1 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 9 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final 4, just won his 1st NCAA game since 2014 by beating #15 Seed Vermont Salary is reportedly $3 million per year Shaka Smart's Yearly Salary at Marquette2 questions pop into my mind 1. Who is the better coach: Smart or Cooley? 2. Why are we paying 2x the amount of money for Ed Cooley? |
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2023 5:31:42 GMT -5
Cooley has the same number of Big East Tournament Titles as Ewing, although Cooley has more seasons. Yay! I'm excited! Cooley also has 3 NCAA tournament wins in his career! And he's 9-10 in the Big East tournament. That's almost .500! Huge! We're now a national contender. Pitino would never be a good fit for a Catholic university. Not of a fan of poaching another Big East school basketball coach. I don't think that has ever happened before. Sometimes what goes around come around. Ed Cooley checks all the boxes: No scandals Winning basketball record: 334–222 (.601) History of turning programs around: Fairfield, Providence Considering how Georgetown basketball broke race barriers: African-American coach Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson I dont think anyone can argue that St. John's did not got the better coach: Rick Pitino 2 National Championships (1 vacated by the NCAA) 7 Final 4's (1 vacated by the NCAA) The only person to ever take 3 teams to a Final 4 (Providence, Kentucky, Louisville) (1 vacated by the NCAA) St. Johns is back as long as Rick Pitino can avoid any future scandals Ed Cooley (2011-2023) 3–7 (NCAA Division I) 9–10 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Champion, Never won the BET, 7 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 0 Final 4's A better coach than Patrick Ewing (2017-2023): 0 BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 1 NCAA Appearance(0-1 Record) 1 step below peak JTIII years (2005-2008): 2x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion (7-2 Record), 3 NCAA Appearances (6-3 Record): 2 Sweet 16's, 1 Final 4 On par with JTIII years (2009-2017): 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 0 BET Champion (7-8 Record), 5 NCAA Appearances (2-5 Record): 0 Sweet 16's, 0 Final 4's ^^This is who got hired I took a look quick look at Shaka Smart 320–161 (.665) 8–9 (NCAA Division I) 3–1 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 9 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final 4, just won his 1st NCAA game since 2014 by beating #15 Seed Vermont Salary is reportedly $3 million per year Shaka Smart's Yearly Salary at Marquette2 questions pop into my mind 1. Who is the better coach: Smart or Cooley? 2. Why are we paying 2x the amount of money for Ed Cooley? "Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson" What's the foundation for this assertion?? Are you suggesting that RT is not going to be removed from his sinecure? |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 21, 2023 5:43:47 GMT -5
Cooley has the same number of Big East Tournament Titles as Ewing, although Cooley has more seasons. Yay! I'm excited! Cooley also has 3 NCAA tournament wins in his career! And he's 9-10 in the Big East tournament. That's almost .500! Huge! We're now a national contender. Pitino would never be a good fit for a Catholic university. Not of a fan of poaching another Big East school basketball coach. I don't think that has ever happened before. Sometimes what goes around come around. Ed Cooley checks all the boxes: No scandals Winning basketball record: 334–222 (.601) History of turning programs around: Fairfield, Providence Considering how Georgetown basketball broke race barriers: African-American coach Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson I dont think anyone can argue that St. John's did not got the better coach: Rick Pitino 2 National Championships (1 vacated by the NCAA) 7 Final 4's (1 vacated by the NCAA) The only person to ever take 3 teams to a Final 4 (Providence, Kentucky, Louisville) (1 vacated by the NCAA) St. Johns is back as long as Rick Pitino can avoid any future scandals Ed Cooley (2011-2023) 3–7 (NCAA Division I) 9–10 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Champion, Never won the BET, 7 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 0 Final 4's A better coach than Patrick Ewing (2017-2023): 0 BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 1 NCAA Appearance(0-1 Record) 1 step below peak JTIII years (2005-2008): 2x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion (7-2 Record), 3 NCAA Appearances (6-3 Record): 2 Sweet 16's, 1 Final 4 On par with JTIII years (2009-2017): 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 0 BET Champion (7-8 Record), 5 NCAA Appearances (2-5 Record): 0 Sweet 16's, 0 Final 4's ^^This is who got hired I took a look quick look at Shaka Smart 320–161 (.665) 8–9 (NCAA Division I) 3–1 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 9 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final 4, just won his 1st NCAA game since 2014 by beating #15 Seed Vermont Salary is reportedly $3 million per year Shaka Smart's Yearly Salary at Marquette2 questions pop into my mind 1. Who is the better coach: Smart or Cooley? 2. Why are we paying 2x the amount of money for Ed Cooley? If only we had a 300-page thread discussing these points . . . I’m not worried about a connection to Ronny. At least not yet. Cooley is very good friends with JTIII. I think it’s pretty common to be friendly with the brother of your good friend. It doesn’t mean that you’ll employ that brother or let him meddle in your work. Reports are that Cooley is expected to bring most of his staff from Providence (some of whom date back to his Fairfield days). If he finds a spot for Ronny, we can be worried. But it sure looks like he is bringing in a set of pros and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 21, 2023 5:49:28 GMT -5
I was in favor of going after Pitino but made peace with the fact that it wasn’t in the cards, and I’m thrilled that we got Cooley. I think I’m going to have to wait a few weeks or even months before I can flip the switch back to full-blown derision for Slick Rick, but it will come. I will say that we do owe a debt of gratitude to that 2013 Louisville squad for stopping Syracuse’s run in the BET.
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 21, 2023 5:49:46 GMT -5
English is intriguing. Could be a big hit or a big miss. I’m happy we’ll be able to watch that experiment from afar. And we can always hire him if he does really well at Providence  Somebody had to say it!  |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2023 5:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by bluechi on Mar 21, 2023 6:10:22 GMT -5
It will be Ed's show. Not Ronny's.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 21, 2023 6:19:21 GMT -5
Correction needed to the above: Cooley has won a BET. In 2014 they beat Creighton to win PC’s second BET title.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2023 6:29:07 GMT -5
Without even addressing the troubles in the Pitino history, I don’t think Pitino was a realistic option if St. John’s wanted him. His current house at Winged Foot is about an hour from St. John’s. He has coached in the New York City area for years. He had a prior relationship with the leadership at St. John’s. Maybe he just is where he wants to be. He absolutely, 100% wanted to be at Georgetown and made no secret of this to the people making the decision at GU. |
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 21, 2023 6:36:54 GMT -5
Not of a fan of poaching another Big East school basketball coach. I don't think that has ever happened before. Sometimes what goes around come around. Ed Cooley checks all the boxes: No scandals Winning basketball record: 334–222 (.601) History of turning programs around: Fairfield, Providence Considering how Georgetown basketball broke race barriers: African-American coach Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson I dont think anyone can argue that St. John's did not got the better coach: Rick Pitino 2 National Championships (1 vacated by the NCAA) 7 Final 4's (1 vacated by the NCAA) The only person to ever take 3 teams to a Final 4 (Providence, Kentucky, Louisville) (1 vacated by the NCAA) St. Johns is back as long as Rick Pitino can avoid any future scandals Ed Cooley (2011-2023) 3–7 (NCAA Division I) 9–10 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Champion, Never won the BET, 7 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 0 Final 4's A better coach than Patrick Ewing (2017-2023): 0 BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 1 NCAA Appearance(0-1 Record) 1 step below peak JTIII years (2005-2008): 2x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion (7-2 Record), 3 NCAA Appearances (6-3 Record): 2 Sweet 16's, 1 Final 4 On par with JTIII years (2009-2017): 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 0 BET Champion (7-8 Record), 5 NCAA Appearances (2-5 Record): 0 Sweet 16's, 0 Final 4's ^^This is who got hired I took a look quick look at Shaka Smart 320–161 (.665) 8–9 (NCAA Division I) 3–1 (Big East Tournament) 1x BE Regular Season Winner, 1 BET Champion, 9 NCAA Appearances: 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final 4, just won his 1st NCAA game since 2014 by beating #15 Seed Vermont Salary is reportedly $3 million per year Shaka Smart's Yearly Salary at Marquette2 questions pop into my mind 1. Who is the better coach: Smart or Cooley? 2. Why are we paying 2x the amount of money for Ed Cooley? "Has a connection to the University: daughter currently attends & appears to be friends with Ronnie Thompson" What's the foundation for this assertion?? Are you suggesting that RT is not going to be removed from his sinecure? RT is most likely staying; i mean hes the one who helped JDG with getting Cooley (or more like steering JDG to only consider Cooley) to come here and Cooley wont sense any need to distance himself away from Ronny either when he also benefited from the process: pay raise and a job with better brand |
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