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Post by SSHoya on Jul 28, 2024 9:38:19 GMT -5
So what does Usha Vance really think? Does she dare say anything to rebut the MAGA GOP racist and misogynist attacks against Harris? Power is that all these cultists want? Do they believe in anything but their racist and fascist quest to Make America White Again? Usha Vance told friends Trump appalled her. Now she’s working to elect him. During her rise through America’s most prestigious schools, law firms and judicial clerkships, Usha Vance rarely — if ever — volunteered her opinions on the nation’s bitterly partisan politics to friends and colleagues. But she did express revulsion at former president Donald Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, 2021. Vance told friends she was outraged by Trump’s incitement of the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol and lamented the social breakdown that fueled his political support, according to one friend, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive conversations. Her view at the time contrasts with the later pronouncements of her husband and Trump’s newly minted running mate, JD Vance, who has downplayed the storming of the Capitol and called participants who were jailed “political prisoners.” “Usha found the incursion on the Capitol and Trump’s role in it to be deeply disturbing,” the friend recalled. “She was generally appalled by Trump, from the moment of his first election.” www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/27/usha-vance-trump-jan6/
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 28, 2024 10:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 28, 2024 11:04:56 GMT -5
Hypocrisy and mendaciousness is in the DNA of any "Republican."
They rely upon Fox, Newsmax, and OAN for their talking points.
Imagine how lacking in cognitive ability you must be to lap up the propaganda of the MAGA GOP media as truth. And we have some here who do so!
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 28, 2024 17:31:59 GMT -5
Emails "not ideal"? Talk about an understatement! With Vance’s rocky debut, Republicans ask if Trump’s VP bet will pay off Until the very end, some people close to Donald Trump tried to talk the former president out of picking Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) as his running mate. Aboard Trump’s plane en route to Milwaukee for the Republican National Convention, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) argued that Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) would be better than the untested Vance because the Cuban American senator might attract more votes in battleground states. He tried to recruit others on Trump’s plane to support his position, according to people with knowledge of the discussions. Another adviser argued in a phone call a couple of days earlier that Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) or Rubio would be a better choice because of Vance’s previous comments opposing abortion, asking Trump how he would defend some of the senator’s positions that seemed further to the right than his. The Trump campaign has spent the past week trying to clean up after Vance’s controversial comments, including previous interviews in which he mocked “childless cat ladies” or took a position on abortion much stronger than Trump’s. In addition, previous emails between Vance and a friend reported by the New York Times show Vance saying he hated the police because they mistreated people, calling Trump a “morally reprehensible human being” and saying that “the more white people feel like voting for Trump, the more Black people will suffer.” A Trump adviser called the emails “not ideal.” www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/28/vance-debut-rocky/
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 28, 2024 18:47:40 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Jul 28, 2024 23:39:27 GMT -5
In Trump's defense, all of his options are anti-democratic d-bags. Literally, they're all awful people. JD may be less digestible for some but his cult members could not possibly care less.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 6:00:11 GMT -5
Comments on grifter Vance's conversion? And is comparison to Biden's Catholicism - is that a false equivalence? JD Vance’s beloved grandmother — Mamaw, as he called her — hated organized religion, didn’t go to church and hung a drawing of Jesus in her house that presented him as a kind everyman. So when Vance became drawn to Catholicism, with its hierarchy, intellectual rigor and art showing an imperial Jesus, he said, he worried what his late grandmother would think. “I couldn’t shake the feeling that if I converted I would no longer be my grandmother’s grandson,” Vance wrote in a 2020 essay for the Catholic magazine the Lamp, about the woman he credits with raising him. But Vance, the senator from Ohio who is now the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee, overcame whatever reservations he had, drawn by what he has described in interviews as Catholicism’s rich, detailed and nuanced philosophy and also its long history. Raised nominally evangelical, then dabbling with atheism, Vance was baptized Catholic in 2019, in his mid-30s. But Vance’s Catholicism, like that of many church members including President Biden, lines up with Catholic teaching only in limited — but very different — ways. Vance supports the death penalty in some cases, wants to boost fossil fuels, wants to deport millions of migrants and has voted against many government programs aimed at aiding the poor. All of those positions are in opposition to his church. A spokesman for Vance declined to comment for this story. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/29/jd-vance-religion-catholic-republican-vp/
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 6:12:44 GMT -5
Cultists are gonna cult! The "religious" right is simply insanely hypocritical and fanatically stupid. Racist, fascist Christian Nationalism run amok contrary to the values embodied in the Constitution. But because God is merciful, there was reason for hope. One man stood ready to redeem the country: Donald Trump. And he was about to come onstage. “We know what he did for us and how he strove to lead us in honorable ways during his term as our president—in ways that brought your blessings to us, rather than your reproach and judgment,” Terry prayed. “We know the hour is late. We know that time grows shorter for us to be saved and revived. For all the exhaustive coverage of Trump’s campaign rallies, even before the assassination attempt at one of them in July, relatively little attention has been paid to the prayers that start each one. These invocations aren’t broadcast live on cable news, nor do they typically attract the interest of journalists, who gravitate toward the more impious utterances of the candidate himself. But the prayers offered before Trump speaks illuminate this perilous moment in American politics just as well as anything he says from the podium. And they help explain how the stakes of this year’s election have come to feel so apocalyptically high. To understand the evolving psychology and beliefs of Trump’s religious supporters, I attempted to review every prayer offered at his campaign events since he announced in November 2022 that he would run again. Working with a researcher, I compiled 58 in total, the most recent from June 2024. The resulting document—at just over 17,000 words—makes for a strange, revealing religious text: benign in some places, blasphemous in others; contradictory and poignant and frightening and sad and, perhaps most of all, begging for exegesis. There are many ways to parse the text. You could compare the number of times Trump’s name is mentioned (87) versus Jesus Christ’s (61). You could break down the demographics of the people leading the prayers: 45 men and 13 women; overwhelmingly evangelical, with disproportionate representation from Pentecostalism, a charismatic branch of Christianity that emphasizes supernatural faith healing and speaking in tongues. One might also be tempted to catalog the most comically incendiary lines (“Oh Lord, our Lord, we want to be awake and not woke”). But the most interesting way to look at these prayers is to examine the theological motifs that run through them. The premise of all of these prayers is that America’s covenant can be reestablished, and its special place in God’s kingdom restored, if the nation repents and turns back to him. Burge told me that these ideas have long percolated on the religious right. What’s new is how many Christians now seem convinced that God has anointed a specific leader who, like those prophets of old, is prepared to defeat the forces of evil and redeem the country. And that leader is running for president. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/09/trump-rally-prayers/679152/
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 6:43:13 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 15:20:16 GMT -5
Racism + Misogyny = MAGA GOP Trump and Vance seem ready to offend as many women voters as possible If you wanted to design a presidential ticket most likely to offend women voters, you would pick as the presidential nominee an adjudicated rapist, someone caught bragging about sexually assaulting women and who comes with a history of demeaning and insulting women. You would make it someone who mused about punishing women for having an abortion and who boasts about taking away women’s bodily integrity. Then, for vice president, you would find someone who has implied women should stay in abusive relationships (he denies that’s what he meant but listen for yourself), wants to ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest, favors a “federal response” to prevent women from traveling to states where abortion is legal, accuses single women (“childless cat ladies”) of lacking a stake in America’s future, votes against protection for in vitro fertilization and wants higher taxes for childless people. (He later said he had not meant to offend cats.) Well, that’s the MAGA Republican Party ticket of convicted felon and former president Donald Trump and his running mate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio. Trump, having normalized overtly racist speech and demonization of immigrants during his campaigns and presidency, now seems bent on making misogyny acceptable, as well. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/29/turmp-vance-women-misogyny/
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 15:35:53 GMT -5
I hope Mayor Giles has increased his personal protective detail. Lots of guns in Arizona and we know of the MAGA GOPers penchant for violence.
John Giles, the Republican mayor of Mesa, Ariz., endorsed Vice President Harris for president on Monday, saying he wanted to “put country over party” and urging others in the GOP to vote against Donald Trump.
In a guest op-ed for the Arizona Republic, Giles — who has served as the mayor of Mesa, the third-largest city in Arizona, since 2014 — wrote that the Republican Party had “a moral and ethical responsibility to restore faith in our democratic institutions,” citing the late Arizona GOP senator John McCain.
“Our party used to stand for the belief that every Arizonan, no matter their background or circumstances, should have the freedom, opportunity and security to live out their American Dream,” Giles wrote. “But since Donald Trump refused to accept the outcome of the 2020 election, Republicans have yet to course correct. The Republican Party with Trump at its helm continues down the path of political extremism, away from focusing on our fundamental freedoms.”
-- WaPo, 7/29/24
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Post by tashoya on Jul 29, 2024 17:34:05 GMT -5
I hope Mayor Giles has increased his personal protective detail. Lots of guns in Arizona and we know of the MAGA GOPers penchant for violence. John Giles, the Republican mayor of Mesa, Ariz., endorsed Vice President Harris for president on Monday, saying he wanted to “put country over party” and urging others in the GOP to vote against Donald Trump. In a guest op-ed for the Arizona Republic, Giles — who has served as the mayor of Mesa, the third-largest city in Arizona, since 2014 — wrote that the Republican Party had “a moral and ethical responsibility to restore faith in our democratic institutions,” citing the late Arizona GOP senator John McCain. “Our party used to stand for the belief that every Arizonan, no matter their background or circumstances, should have the freedom, opportunity and security to live out their American Dream,” Giles wrote. “But since Donald Trump refused to accept the outcome of the 2020 election, Republicans have yet to course correct. The Republican Party with Trump at its helm continues down the path of political extremism, away from focusing on our fundamental freedoms.” -- WaPo, 7/29/24 Yeah, "Republicans" don't like the truth.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 17:40:43 GMT -5
When the Never Trump movement emerged, in 2016, it wasn’t always clear what never meant. For some anti-Trump Republicans, it simply meant a short, shameful interval before falling back in line with their party. Others couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary Clinton and sat out the election. But a notable remnant meant never as in “absolutely never.” As the threat of a second Donald Trump presidency grows more imminent, that remnant seems to have hardened its resolve to do whatever it needs to do to keep him out of office—including planning to support the presumptive Democratic nominee, Kamala Harris. For most Never Trump Republicans, the 2024 election is not primarily about the divide between the left and the right; it’s about preserving our liberal constitutional order. For years, Never Trumpers have been split between those who have remained conservative at the policy level and those who more or less transformed themselves into progressives. There were also differences of opinion within the movement about whether Joe Biden should step aside, but there was never any doubt about the existential threat Trump posed to the body politic. www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/07/the-never-trumpers-are-clear-on-their-goal/679287/?utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20240729&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=The+Atlantic+Daily
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 18:18:32 GMT -5
The grifter gift that keeps on giving! Maybe the power hungry Yalie wants the elderly doddering Don the Con to drop out!!😁 Vance tells donors Harris change was a ‘sucker punch,’ at odds with campaign The Republican vice-presidential nominee, Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), privately told donors that running against Vice President Harris instead of President Biden made the race more challenging — an admission at odds with the Donald Trump campaign’s public projections of confidence. “All of us were hit with a little bit of a political sucker punch,” Vance said about Biden’s withdrawal on July 21, according to a recording of his remarks at a Saturday fundraiser in Golden Valley, Minn. “The bad news is that Kamala Harris does not have the same baggage as Joe Biden, because whatever we might have to say, Kamala is a lot younger. And Kamala Harris is obviously not struggling in the same ways that Joe Biden did.” Publicly, the Trump campaign has insisted that Harris replacing Biden at the top of the Democratic ticket has not changed the race, arguing that she shares responsibility for public dissatisfaction with Biden’s leadership. Vance told reporters on July 22, a day after Biden dropped out of the race, that there was no difference in running against Harris vs. Biden. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/29/jd-vance-kamala-harris-campaign/
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 29, 2024 20:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 29, 2024 20:30:40 GMT -5
(Disclaimer: yes I know this is 90% certain to be BS, but tell the truth - it wouldn’t knock you out of your chair it it WAS true)
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Post by tashoya on Jul 29, 2024 20:54:11 GMT -5
(Disclaimer: yes I know this is 90% certain to be BS, but tell the truth - it wouldn’t knock you out of your chair it it WAS true) Wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. And, therein lies a major problem with Trump. You can't believe a single word he says nor a single commitment or promise that he makes. But, "Republicans" don't care. Unless, of course, the person acting that way has a "D" next to their name. Same is true for, literally, everything else they "care" about. Mental capability? Check. Age? Check. Speaking gaffes? Check. Immigration? Check. The debt? Check. Etc., etc., etc..
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 29, 2024 20:56:36 GMT -5
(Disclaimer: yes I know this is 90% certain to be BS, but tell the truth - it wouldn’t knock you out of your chair it it WAS true) Wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. And, therein lies a major problem with Trump. You can't believe a single word he says nor a single commitment or promise that he makes. But, "Republicans" don't care. Unless, of course, the person acting that way has a "D" next to their name. Same is true for, literally, everything else they "care" about. Mental capability? Check. Age? Check. Speaking gaffes? Check. Immigration? Check. The debt? Check. Etc., etc., etc.. Cultists gonna cult. The road to autocracy is paved with a multitude of lies in order to confuse the electorate to not believe anything, throw up their hands in despair and checkout of a democratic system. It encourages cynicism and destroys all institutions and norms so that some of our stalwart "Republicans" (we know who they are) can engage in false equivalency, repeat lies yet pretend to be above the fray and disclaim voting for anybody. And pretend to be superior and of greater integrity than the rest of us - such bull. [T]he American MAGA right also wants Americans to believe that their democracy is degenerate, their elections illegitimate, their civilization dying. The MAGA movement’s leaders also have an interest in pumping nihilism and cynicism into the brains of their fellow citizens, and in convincing them that nothing they see is true. www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2024/05/june-2024-cover-anne-applebaum-new-propaganda-war/678302/
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 29, 2024 21:03:01 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Jul 29, 2024 23:07:10 GMT -5
Wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. And, therein lies a major problem with Trump. You can't believe a single word he says nor a single commitment or promise that he makes. But, "Republicans" don't care. Unless, of course, the person acting that way has a "D" next to their name. Same is true for, literally, everything else they "care" about. Mental capability? Check. Age? Check. Speaking gaffes? Check. Immigration? Check. The debt? Check. Etc., etc., etc.. Cultists gonna cult. The road to autocracy is paved with a multitude of lies in order to confuse the electorate to not believe anything, throw up their hands in despair and checkout of a democratic system. It encourages cynicism and destroys all institutions and norms so that some of our stalwart "Republicans" (we know who they are) can engage in false equivalency, repeat lies yet pretend to be above the fray and disclaim voting for anybody. And pretend to be superior and of greater integrity than the rest of us - such bull. [T]he American MAGA right also wants Americans to believe that their democracy is degenerate, their elections illegitimate, their civilization dying. The MAGA movement’s leaders also have an interest in pumping nihilism and cynicism into the brains of their fellow citizens, and in convincing them that nothing they see is true. www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2024/05/june-2024-cover-anne-applebaum-new-propaganda-war/678302/I agree with what you said and I know it to be true. I guess I'm still, somehow, surprised that so many people are so egregiously stupid as to buy into this crap. Some board members included. I'm at least as cynical as the next person. But, I'm hoping my mental state will never deteriorate to the point that I'll buy shiite like they're peddling that is so transparently ridiculous and dangerous to our democracy. Do all of these dopes hug flags too as if that's normal behavior?
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