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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2022 23:32:14 GMT -5
How far into the game do the announcers use Covid as an excuse for the teams winless Big East record? I am tired of hearing that one. Simpkins and Marshall have both used it in the past couple games. There's an unspoken line on college coverage that announcers never call out an team as being bad and usually fill it with phrases such as "struggling" or "they keep playing hard". COVID is a temporarily filler as well. The in-studio hosts tend to skip past the bottom teams, so when they show the standings, they never discuss past the first six or seven, and almost never even recognize the bottom two. On the court, analysts like Simpkins regularly mention Ewing's NBA experience, and when all else fails, they bring up memories of 1985 or Mourning/Mutombo. That not just in basketball. Twenty years of watching Patriot League football on TV or streaming have yet to find the announcer who will ever say that Georgetown keeps losing because it spends so much less than its opponents.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 14, 2022 6:33:54 GMT -5
True- but that is a different press than we run. Ours is focused on forcing turnovers rather than slowing down the pace. Which is fine, but as long as Creighton isn't breaking the more aggressive press for easy baskets more than once every so often, even if they break it and settle into the halfcourt it will accomplish the same goal. If it were me, subbing would be much more frequent because I'd want guys to go 100 mph for short spurts to sustain pressure knowing they will: A) get rest, and B) get back into game soon. Use timeouts to give key players a breather instead of stopping mini 5-2 runs like yesterday, and maybe they have enough energy to avoid the bigger runs later. It's on the staff to help manage their players' energy levels effectively to get the most out of them. They're not good at it, but it really doesn't take a whole lot to get better at it if you acknowledge it as a problem and work to fix it. That's the bigger overarching frustration. I would like to see an additional 50-100 subs per game. Go hard for a few and then get a breath. Rinse and repeat.
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 14, 2022 8:01:36 GMT -5
How far into the game do the announcers use Covid as an excuse for the teams winless Big East record? I am tired of hearing that one. Simpkins and Marshall have both used it in the past couple games. There's an unspoken line on college coverage that announcers never call out an team as being bad and usually fill it with phrases such as "struggling" or "they keep playing hard". COVID is a temporarily filler as well. The in-studio hosts tend to skip past the bottom teams, so when they show the standings, they never discuss past the first six or seven, and almost never even recognize the bottom two. On the court, analysts like Simpkins regularly mention Ewing's NBA experience, and when all else fails, they bring up memories of 1985 or Mourning/Mutombo. That not just in basketball. Twenty years of watching Patriot League football on TV or streaming have yet to find the announcer who will ever say that Georgetown keeps losing because it spends so much less than its opponents. You have to remember these guys spend 24 hours or so prepping for these games and really know less than any of us as it relates to the program. When you’re losing and not going anywhere, they’ll spend even less time trying to become knowledgeable about the situation and will take the easy path of just falling back to nostalgia or COVID instead of providing any analysis. The FS1 coverage has really gotten weaker the last 1-2 years and it makes me wonder how much Fox really values our package. Gus and Raff are much more often found elsewhere, and we are often getting low tier announcing teams and pre-recorded halftime segments. In the beginning they needed us got content but now they have the Big Ten, soccer, talk shows, etc that has me unsure if they will pay nearly the same for the BE package next time.
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 14, 2022 8:18:09 GMT -5
A few thoughts from Saturday mixed with ideas for tonight. Some of this was in the game thread until that went off the rails: - I honestly didn't see a Creighton team that was overly more talented than us. Unfortunately this is just the most glaring situation where the systems of the coaching staff come into play. On offense, Creighton passed up multiple contested shots, and would kick it back out and recycle. On defense, they really tried to run us off the line, let Kalkbrenner stay home and let their shot blocker make things difficult. On the other hand, we're so eager to go 1-1 and take a challenged shot, and our defense just refuses to adjust on pick and roll. Others have said it, is Hawkins that much better than Rice? Nembhard has a bright future but he's not much better than Dante today. Carey is better than O'Connell. Kalkbrenner put up a great stat line but there weren't special post moves in there. He's put in the right spot to block shots and finish around the rim.
- Nationwide Nolan on twitter had the screengrabs, but the pick and roll coverage is fundamentally broken. People ask for the biggest difference between last years run, and this year. And this is it. If you re-watch the BET champ, notwithstanding Creighton hits an alley-oop on the first play, Q and Tim were much lower on ball screens. And Ewing's comment post-game is more concerning...he thinks the bigs aren't up FAR enough to block penetration. And the reality is Holloway and Rice aren't athletic enough to deter the lob, compared to Bile and Pickett. Adjust your system to your talent. Play drop coverage, dare them to hit a pull up 2 (they dont have Zegarowski anymore) and take away the two 3 point shooters. Honestly this isn't that difficult.
- I consider myself one of the last residents of Dante Island, but I'm checking available flights. I said it in the game thread...7 possessions where Dante shot off zero passes early in the shot clock. The team went on a run as soon as both PGs came out of the game. Honestly I'd like to see more of that lineup. Or play Beard but let Carey bring the ball up and be the lead guard to generate offense.
- Pass the ball on a fast break please
- I do see in-game adjustments from Ewing, but they're just a tad late. Kalkbrenner comes out, they're going small w Feazell at center. We didn't have the substitution ready, Tim gets stuck on him, doesnt get out to 3 point line. And then he makes the sub when he realizes there's a problem. That stuff needs to be thought out before. Play out the scenarios and be ready to get to the matchups you want.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 9:35:35 GMT -5
A few thoughts from Saturday mixed with ideas for tonight. Some of this was in the game thread until that went off the rails: - I honestly didn't see a Creighton team that was overly more talented than us. Unfortunately this is just the most glaring situation where the systems of the coaching staff come into play. On offense, Creighton passed up multiple contested shots, and would kick it back out and recycle. On defense, they really tried to run us off the line, let Kalkbrenner stay home and let their shot blocker make things difficult. On the other hand, we're so eager to go 1-1 and take a challenged shot, and our defense just refuses to adjust on pick and roll. Others have said it, is Hawkins that much better than Rice? Nembhard has a bright future but he's not much better than Dante today. Carey is better than O'Connell. Kalkbrenner put up a great stat line but there weren't special post moves in there. He's put in the right spot to block shots and finish around the rim.
- Nationwide Nolan on twitter had the screengrabs, but the pick and roll coverage is fundamentally broken. People ask for the biggest difference between last years run, and this year. And this is it. If you re-watch the BET champ, notwithstanding Creighton hits an alley-oop on the first play, Q and Tim were much lower on ball screens. And Ewing's comment post-game is more concerning...he thinks the bigs aren't up FAR enough to block penetration. And the reality is Holloway and Rice aren't athletic enough to deter the lob, compared to Bile and Pickett. Adjust your system to your talent. Play drop coverage, dare them to hit a pull up 2 (they dont have Zegarowski anymore) and take away the two 3 point shooters. Honestly this isn't that difficult.
- I consider myself one of the last residents of Dante Island, but I'm checking available flights. I said it in the game thread...7 possessions where Dante shot off zero passes early in the shot clock. The team went on a run as soon as both PGs came out of the game. Honestly I'd like to see more of that lineup. Or play Beard but let Carey bring the ball up and be the lead guard to generate offense.
- Pass the ball on a fast break please
- I do see in-game adjustments from Ewing, but they're just a tad late. Kalkbrenner comes out, they're going small w Feazell at center. We didn't have the substitution ready, Tim gets stuck on him, doesnt get out to 3 point line. And then he makes the sub when he realizes there's a problem. That stuff needs to be thought out before. Play out the scenarios and be ready to get to the matchups you want.
Hoya Saxa
Excellent post...I kind of wish you were coaching tonight...
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 14, 2022 9:58:20 GMT -5
A few thoughts from Saturday mixed with ideas for tonight. Some of this was in the game thread until that went off the rails: - I honestly didn't see a Creighton team that was overly more talented than us. Unfortunately this is just the most glaring situation where the systems of the coaching staff come into play. On offense, Creighton passed up multiple contested shots, and would kick it back out and recycle. On defense, they really tried to run us off the line, let Kalkbrenner stay home and let their shot blocker make things difficult. On the other hand, we're so eager to go 1-1 and take a challenged shot, and our defense just refuses to adjust on pick and roll. Others have said it, is Hawkins that much better than Rice? Nembhard has a bright future but he's not much better than Dante today. Carey is better than O'Connell. Kalkbrenner put up a great stat line but there weren't special post moves in there. He's put in the right spot to block shots and finish around the rim.
- Nationwide Nolan on twitter had the screengrabs, but the pick and roll coverage is fundamentally broken. People ask for the biggest difference between last years run, and this year. And this is it. If you re-watch the BET champ, notwithstanding Creighton hits an alley-oop on the first play, Q and Tim were much lower on ball screens. And Ewing's comment post-game is more concerning...he thinks the bigs aren't up FAR enough to block penetration. And the reality is Holloway and Rice aren't athletic enough to deter the lob, compared to Bile and Pickett. Adjust your system to your talent. Play drop coverage, dare them to hit a pull up 2 (they dont have Zegarowski anymore) and take away the two 3 point shooters. Honestly this isn't that difficult.
- I consider myself one of the last residents of Dante Island, but I'm checking available flights. I said it in the game thread...7 possessions where Dante shot off zero passes early in the shot clock. The team went on a run as soon as both PGs came out of the game. Honestly I'd like to see more of that lineup. Or play Beard but let Carey bring the ball up and be the lead guard to generate offense.
- Pass the ball on a fast break please
- I do see in-game adjustments from Ewing, but they're just a tad late. Kalkbrenner comes out, they're going small w Feazell at center. We didn't have the substitution ready, Tim gets stuck on him, doesnt get out to 3 point line. And then he makes the sub when he realizes there's a problem. That stuff needs to be thought out before. Play out the scenarios and be ready to get to the matchups you want.
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Excellent post...I kind of wish you were coaching tonight... Appreciate the kind words. This is where I'll mention Ewing has probably forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know. I'll fully admit Ewing is choosing between imperfect options, there isn't a magic lineup waiting to be unlocked here. But would like to see some attempt at change on defense. It literally can't get worse
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 14, 2022 10:45:00 GMT -5
Excellent post...I kind of wish you were coaching tonight... Appreciate the kind words. This is where I'll mention Ewing has probably forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know. I'll fully admit Ewing is choosing between imperfect options, there isn't a magic lineup waiting to be unlocked here. But would like to see some attempt at change on defense. It literally can't get worse Very few teams have perfect or magic line-ups but a staff should be able to devise or adjust game plans in real time.. You're 100% right about how the quote from PE about the bigs was very troubling. He really seems to believe their game plans are sound if the kids give the proper effort.. What gets left out of the conversation way too much is how little PE gets from his assistants
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 14, 2022 11:32:22 GMT -5
Appreciate the kind words. This is where I'll mention Ewing has probably forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know. I'll fully admit Ewing is choosing between imperfect options, there isn't a magic lineup waiting to be unlocked here. But would like to see some attempt at change on defense. It literally can't get worse Very few teams have perfect or magic line-ups but a staff should be able to devise or adjust game plans in real time.. You're 100% right about how the quote from PE about the bigs was very troubling. He really seems to believe their game plans are sound if the kids give the proper effort.. What gets left out of the conversation way too much as how little PE gets from his assistants Troubling is right. How anyone could reasonably come to the conclusion after giving up 7, 8, 9 alley-oops in a single game... that we need to adjust our defense in a way that will allow for EVEN MORE alley-oops is frightening. If I had any faith that our coaches were trying to send mixed messages to the opponent to confuse them for next time, maybe that'd be a legitimate reason. But at this point, our staff is clearly not playing chess while others are playing checkers.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 14, 2022 11:44:46 GMT -5
Appreciate the kind words. This is where I'll mention Ewing has probably forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know. I'll fully admit Ewing is choosing between imperfect options, there isn't a magic lineup waiting to be unlocked here. But would like to see some attempt at change on defense. It literally can't get worse Very few teams have perfect or magic line-ups but a staff should be able to devise or adjust game plans in real time.. You're 100% right about how the quote from PE about the bigs was very troubling. He really seems to believe their game plans are sound if the kids give the proper effort.. What gets left out of the conversation way too much as how little PE gets from his assistantsTo the extent that he is reflective at all, when this is all done, I think PE will regret who he surrounded himself with. This was his bite at the apple and as a first-time head coach and new to college program building, he brought in Orr as his "experience guy" even though he was a decade removed from BE coaching and on the beach for a few years following an unsuccessful stint at a low/mid major and retained one decent recruiter (though better suited down south) and a middling at best DMV recruiter. The best holdover from his staff could have been his son, who he had to let go. hm
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 14, 2022 11:59:39 GMT -5
Excellent post...I kind of wish you were coaching tonight... Appreciate the kind words. This is where I'll mention Ewing has probably forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know. I'll fully admit Ewing is choosing between imperfect options, there isn't a magic lineup waiting to be unlocked here. But would like to see some attempt at change on defense. It literally can't get worse Good post rhw485. In your defense, I think the issue is less whether Ewing has probably forgotten more about basketball than you'll ever know (very likely true for all of us), but more whether Ewing can use that knowledge to teach a group of 13 scholarship players good basketball. We know Ewing is knowledgeable (though I would question how modern it is given some of his choices, like letting guys take long twos) and he is a very hard worker, but can he teach the guys? It's not as simple as yelling Rebound! or Move! but rather putting the guys in a position so they can execute, they know what to do, and designing a system that maximizes their abilities and talents. Sure, knowledge plays a big role in that, but I think the ability to teach and convey that knowledge is way more important. The analogy I like to make is to my time at Georgetown as a student. I can say honestly that all of my professors were smart, intelligent, and knowledgeable people. But, some of them frankly just could not teach well. Anybody who has been in an academic environment knows this. Some people are brilliant and amazing teachers. Some people are brilliant and cannot teach well. It's just the way it is. Teaching is a very different skill from knowing. Anyway, I hope the team does incorporate some of your suggestions in the game tonight. And, I do agree with you that right now, I think the problems we are facing cannot be solved by starting different players, or substituting Beard for Harris, etc. I think the only way to right the ship is fundamental change that simply cannot happen in-season when we are as bad as we are now.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 14, 2022 12:11:33 GMT -5
What gets left out of the conversation way too much as how little PE gets from his assistants Maybe the assistants try to give, but Pat doesn’t take. Who knows what happens inside the TAC, but what we have seen is that when Orr had to replace Ewing, the team tried Orr’s preferred zone defense and it didn’t do worse than Pat’s preferred Hope Defense.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 14, 2022 12:21:01 GMT -5
What gets left out of the conversation way too much as how little PE gets from his assistants Maybe the assistants try to give, but Pat doesn’t take. Who knows what happens inside the TAC, but what we have seen is that when Orr had to replace Ewing, the team tried Orr’s preferred zone defense and it didn’t do worse than Pat’s preferred Hope Defense. Honestly, I agree with this take. It brings to mind Y7 asking about his philosophy on hedging...
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Post by prhoya on Feb 14, 2022 12:30:42 GMT -5
Maybe the assistants try to give, but Pat doesn’t take. Who knows what happens inside the TAC, but what we have seen is that when Orr had to replace Ewing, the team tried Orr’s preferred zone defense and it didn’t do worse than Pat’s preferred Hope Defense. Honestly, I agree with this take. It brings to mind Y7 asking about his philosophy on hedging... Which takes us back to what 2003 wrote about teaching, which in the case of Y7’s hedging philosophy question to Pat was the opposite of teaching…
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Post by prhoya on Feb 14, 2022 12:37:55 GMT -5
Being Valentine’s Day, it’s going to be impossible to watch this game live, but what are we expecting to change from Saturday to today?
I will be expecting to see our big staying on defense around the post, not around the FT line. Also, Aminu has to shadow Hawkins all game, even if Hawkins plays for 40 minutes. I would add not leaving 3-pt shooters alone by doubling somewhere else, but who are we kidding.
I think Nembhard goes for 20 pts.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 14, 2022 12:39:53 GMT -5
What gets left out of the conversation way too much as how little PE gets from his assistants Maybe the assistants try to give, but Pat doesn’t take. Who knows what happens inside the TAC, but what we have seen is that when Orr had to replace Ewing, the team tried Orr’s preferred zone defense and it didn’t do worse than Pat’s preferred Hope Defense. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Orr's two games were against Butler and St. Johns. Ewing also coached against both. Orr's Hoyas gave up 72 to Butler at home, Ewing's Hoyas gave up 56 on the road. The St. John's scores were essentially a wash. In any event, neither Ewing nor Orr brought us a W against bottom third BE teams.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 14, 2022 13:05:11 GMT -5
Maybe the assistants try to give, but Pat doesn’t take. Who knows what happens inside the TAC, but what we have seen is that when Orr had to replace Ewing, the team tried Orr’s preferred zone defense and it didn’t do worse than Pat’s preferred Hope Defense. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Orr's two games were against Butler and St. Johns. Ewing also coached against both. Orr's Hoyas gave up 72 to Butler at home, Ewing's Hoyas gave up 56 on the road. The St. John's scores were essentially a wash. In any event, neither Ewing nor Orr brought us a W against bottom third BE teams. Not that he's by any stretch of the imagination a shutdown defender, but Orr also didn't have the benefit of having Carey in the lineup.
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Post by the_way on Feb 14, 2022 13:26:57 GMT -5
Pulling for the Hoyas tonight.
Hopefully we can get a W.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 14, 2022 14:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 14, 2022 17:16:06 GMT -5
The Hilltop Hoops red exclamation points are a bit dramatic. The line was always going to be much worse for this game because it is away, not home. Sure, the game the other day probably had a small effect, but most of the difference in the line is the home/away difference, not the game the other day. So, this is really sensationalist and not very meaningful.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 14, 2022 17:25:28 GMT -5
Somehow, thinking about whether or not to watch tonight's game I am reminded of quotes from Brokeback Mountain:
“There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.”
and...
"I just can't seem to quit you."
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