OmaHoya
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Post by OmaHoya on Nov 26, 2021 22:05:22 GMT -5
Offense seems like a bigger problem than defense right now. But it’s close.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 26, 2021 22:05:36 GMT -5
Don’t make it about the players. The problem is we’re overhelping and chasing the ball around the half court until the opponent finds the open 3-pt shooter. If that is not what our players are taught/told to do on defense and that is what we’re doing, then our players are not following Pat’s instructions and need to be sent to the bench to send a message. On the other hand, if that is what Pat is asking them to do, then it is just him being stubborn. Our defense should be called The Hope Defense, like hope the opponent’s 3-pt shooters miss. You can hear Patrick barking at them to stop chasing! It has been the same problem for 5 years and countless players. If this is not what he is teaching than no players ever listen to him. Which is worse?
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 26, 2021 22:05:43 GMT -5
Don’t make it about the players. The problem is we’re overhelping and chasing the ball around the half court until the opponent finds the open 3-pt shooter. If that is not what our players are taught/told to do on defense and that is what we’re doing, then our players are not following Pat’s instructions and need to be sent to the bench to send a message. On the other hand, if that is what Pat is asking them to do, then it is just him being stubborn. Our defense should be called The Hope Defense, like hope the opponent’s 3-pt shooters miss. You can hear Patrick barking at them to stop chasing! But why are they chasing? Are the over-helping, double teaming on D?
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 26, 2021 22:06:00 GMT -5
This is the problem. Every move made is for the individuals shot and not for a teammate.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 26, 2021 22:06:31 GMT -5
The definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. That's our defense. The Insanity Defense! The Hope Defense! I Is that Pat’s version of the Shaka’s Havoc Defense?
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 26, 2021 22:07:04 GMT -5
Offense seems like a bigger problem than defense right now. But it’s close. This.
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OmaHoya
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Post by OmaHoya on Nov 26, 2021 22:07:41 GMT -5
You can hear Patrick barking at them to stop chasing! But why are they chasing? Are the over-helping, double teaming on D? Because we don’t have enough good on-ball defenders.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 22:08:16 GMT -5
With Rice on the floor defense has to help on his man. Defenders need to own their man and play aggressively with out help. Hoyas have been trying to trap, but not rotating and not communicating. Other than Rice they can play really good man defense and cause a lto of problems. Don’t make it about the players. The problem is we’re overhelping and chasing the ball around the half court until the opponent finds the open 3-pt shooter. If that is not what our players are taught/told to do on defense and that is what we’re doing, then our players are not following Pat’s instructions and need to be sent to the bench to send a message. On the other hand, if that is what Pat is asking them to do, then it is just him being stubborn. Our defense should be called The Hope Defense, like hope the opponent’s 3-pt shooters miss. Last year Pickett was the player sitting back and running the defense in front of him. It was impressive to see Pickett step in and do that. Hoyas don't have that player yet this year. But, also like last year when Blair and his non-existent defense was on the floor there was a lot of chasing going on early in the season. Patrick gave up late in the season and had Blair coming off the bench and that started turning around the Hoyas fortune. Patrick over and over talks about being tough and disiplined defensively. Rice isn't there at all. Rice like Blair is there to shoot, but much more is expected from them.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 26, 2021 22:08:32 GMT -5
The fact we are on our way to a 2-3 start against a schedule that only has one team likely to be in the Top 200 is sad state of affairs. We knew expectations were low, but the floor for this program should be higher than this year is shaking out. The worst Big East team in the KenPom era was St. John’s in 2016 (#211). I wonder if we can give that record a run? I’m not sure we have a player other than Aminu that woujd start for another BE school.
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DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Nov 26, 2021 22:08:57 GMT -5
This is the problem. Every move made is for the individuals shot and not for a teammate. That’s actually ahead of last night’s pace.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 22:08:58 GMT -5
Dante kicks to an open and set Rice for 3.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 26, 2021 22:09:07 GMT -5
Too many rushed shots.
Too many quick shots without running an offense to look for a good shot.
Only 13 made baskets, so hoping for more than 4 assists is a tall order.
The coach has talked about not leaving perimeter shooters open yet the players keep doing it repeatedly. Since the picture on my iPad is ridiculously fuzzy hard for me to tell what or why they are doing that.
The press was a good idea and worked well. It should be kept going until SJU shows they can beat it.
On EDIT since this posted late: offensive sets ending in good shots to open the second half. Perhaps the players listened to coaching at halftime.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 22:09:42 GMT -5
Much better defense and much better execution on offense with better ball movement. Game back down to 3.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 26, 2021 22:10:13 GMT -5
Starting to make shots and things look slightly better. Long half to go
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 26, 2021 22:10:17 GMT -5
Usually out of TOs the opponent makes a play and we show our youth. It would be nice to show some composure for once.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Nov 26, 2021 22:10:28 GMT -5
Dante is the MVP on the team. Our main (and really only) ball-handler. Attack mode on defense. Love the kid.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 22:12:15 GMT -5
Too many rushed shots. Too many quick shots without running an offense to look for a good shot. Only 13 made baskets, so hoping for more than 4 assists is a tall order. The coach has talked about not leaving perimeter shooters open yet the players keep doing it repeatedly. Since the picture on my iPad is ridiculously fuzzy hard for me to tell what or why they are doing that. The press was a good idea and worked well. It should be kept going until SJU shows they can beat it. The open shooter has been Dante chasing and not getting a rotation back to cover his man, or his man gets covered with a good rotation, but not the next shift. Mostly only happening when Rice is in the game. Rice loses his man and also doesn't cover out but thinks he can close the gap, but can't, but also just plain loses his man.
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DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Nov 26, 2021 22:12:31 GMT -5
I think the quality of the products pitched in the commercials is a commentary on the quality of these teams.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 26, 2021 22:12:52 GMT -5
Usually out of TOs the opponent makes a play and we show our youth. It would be nice to show some composure for once. How did that go?
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Nov 26, 2021 22:13:03 GMT -5
Patrick calling for backdoors and attacking. Then the Aminu does just that.
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