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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 29, 2022 8:52:10 GMT -5
If he went to Georgia it would have been the same result. The kid needed more time against major competition. He is smart and I have no doubt he could have put it together next year. There are plenty of examples of BE kids who left early and did fine. This isn't about that. This is about a bad decision that can't be blamed on anyone else.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 29, 2022 9:07:18 GMT -5
Aminu will be fine. He will continue to develop whether he did it at Georgetown or elsewhere.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Jun 29, 2022 9:08:04 GMT -5
That is the excuse that Harmon is giving Aminu bad advance and then blaming everyone else for it. He can't be truthful and admit to the kid that he led him wrong. Because if he does, he runs the risk of not cashing in at all if Aminu does eventually cash a big check. Lesson is... Leave the guardians alone kids. If you can ball, NCAA Basketball and the NBA will find you wherever you are. Its been proven over and over... Year after year... Southernhoyafan, I agree with much of what you have said here. In particular, it's foolish to recruit a kid that has a handler as involved as Harmon is with Aminu. That said, can you please comment further on how Harmon gave Aminu "bad advice" and "led him wrong". I completely agree with the take, just curious to hear how you think he led him wrong. Here is where you and I will disagree. LOL! I only feel that he led him wrong in having him stay in the draft and not returning to school (wherever that may have been) to work on his skillset. Throughout the year, Aminu showed an inability to finish strong around the rim on a consistent basis. He did not show a consistent midrange game. He did not show a consistent outside game. He showed that he had the tools necessary to be a high level ballplayer. However, 1 year of college basketball was not going to get him where he needed to be in order to be drafted. Harmon knew that. He watched the same games that we all watched. He even had the benefit of tripping around the league with the kid and hearing first hand the feedback from various teams and scouts (again, you really only needed to watch the games he played). He even had pre-draft projections and of them all, I think I may have saw 1 that projected Aminu to even get drafted. Harmon took all of that intel and put it in his back pocket and still guided this kid to stay in the draft. In fact, Harmon told us from the beginning that they were committed to the draft process and that he would not be coming back to school anywhere. Again, he put all of that intel in his back pocket and bet that kids future on it for the sake of his ROI. That's the way of the handler world. He rolled the dice and thus far, he has crapped out.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 29, 2022 10:39:03 GMT -5
Southernhoyafan, I agree with much of what you have said here. In particular, it's foolish to recruit a kid that has a handler as involved as Harmon is with Aminu. That said, can you please comment further on how Harmon gave Aminu "bad advice" and "led him wrong". I completely agree with the take, just curious to hear how you think he led him wrong. Here is where you and I will disagree. LOL! I only feel that he led him wrong in having him stay in the draft and not returning to school (wherever that may have been) to work on his skillset. Throughout the year, Aminu showed an inability to finish strong around the rim on a consistent basis. He did not show a consistent midrange game. He did not show a consistent outside game. He showed that he had the tools necessary to be a high level ballplayer. However, 1 year of college basketball was not going to get him where he needed to be in order to be drafted. Harmon knew that. He watched the same games that we all watched. He even had the benefit of tripping around the league with the kid and hearing first hand the feedback from various teams and scouts (again, you really only needed to watch the games he played). He even had pre-draft projections and of them all, I think I may have saw 1 that projected Aminu to even get drafted. Harmon took all of that intel and put it in his back pocket and still guided this kid to stay in the draft. In fact, Harmon told us from the beginning that they were committed to the draft process and that he would not be coming back to school anywhere. Again, he put all of that intel in his back pocket and bet that kids future on it for the sake of his ROI. That's the way of the handler world. He rolled the dice and thus far, he has crapped out. This is all completely accurate from my standpoint. Almost every public resource indicated it was extremely likely he would go undrafted and he did. As you stated one has to assume they were told over and over what areas Aminu needed to improve I think one more year in college would have done wonders for him regardless of his age. Please I don't feel like arguing about whether that means 1 more year at Gtown under Ewing or elsewhere...I am simply going w/the sentiment that 1 more year of college ball would have surely helped his development. I bet the game slows down some, he's probably a little stronger, a little more bball savvy, etc etc - the kid works extremely hard on the court and therefore I can only assume he does so off the court and I think just needed another year of bball maturity if you ask me.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 29, 2022 10:44:15 GMT -5
Here is where you and I will disagree. LOL! I only feel that he led him wrong in having him stay in the draft and not returning to school (wherever that may have been) to work on his skillset. Throughout the year, Aminu showed an inability to finish strong around the rim on a consistent basis. He did not show a consistent midrange game. He did not show a consistent outside game. He showed that he had the tools necessary to be a high level ballplayer. However, 1 year of college basketball was not going to get him where he needed to be in order to be drafted. Harmon knew that. He watched the same games that we all watched. He even had the benefit of tripping around the league with the kid and hearing first hand the feedback from various teams and scouts (again, you really only needed to watch the games he played). He even had pre-draft projections and of them all, I think I may have saw 1 that projected Aminu to even get drafted. Harmon took all of that intel and put it in his back pocket and still guided this kid to stay in the draft. In fact, Harmon told us from the beginning that they were committed to the draft process and that he would not be coming back to school anywhere. Again, he put all of that intel in his back pocket and bet that kids future on it for the sake of his ROI. That's the way of the handler world. He rolled the dice and thus far, he has crapped out. This is all completely accurate from my standpoint. Almost every public resource indicated it was extremely likely he would go undrafted and he did. As you stated one has to assume they were told over and over what areas Aminu needed to improve I think one more year in college would have done wonders for him regardless of his age. Please I don't feel like arguing about whether that means 1 more year at Gtown under Ewing or elsewhere...I am simply going w/the sentiment that 1 more year of college ball would have surely helped his development. I bet the game slows down some, he's probably a little stronger, a little more bball savvy, etc etc - the kid works extremely hard on the court and therefore I can only assume he does so off the court and I think just needed another year of bball maturity if you ask me. Why can't he get that "bball maturity" in the G-League next year?
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Post by southernhoyafan on Jun 29, 2022 10:57:10 GMT -5
This is all completely accurate from my standpoint. Almost every public resource indicated it was extremely likely he would go undrafted and he did. As you stated one has to assume they were told over and over what areas Aminu needed to improve I think one more year in college would have done wonders for him regardless of his age. Please I don't feel like arguing about whether that means 1 more year at Gtown under Ewing or elsewhere...I am simply going w/the sentiment that 1 more year of college ball would have surely helped his development. I bet the game slows down some, he's probably a little stronger, a little more bball savvy, etc etc - the kid works extremely hard on the court and therefore I can only assume he does so off the court and I think just needed another year of bball maturity if you ask me. Why can't he get that "bball maturity" in the G-League next year? He certainly can get that "bball maturity" in the G-League. However, I am sure that as a handler, Harmon's goal was to get drafted as high as possible and get guaranteed money. It was not to have to go the G-League route. Harmon needs as much money to hit the back account as possible to ensure the ROI is worth the work. Again, he can accomplish the same in the G-League. But Harmon wants big checks and wants them really fast before the kid matures and realizes that he does not need Harmon in his life to become a good basketball player and certainly does not need him syphering off the top of his earnings at every turn.
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Post by miracles87 on Jun 29, 2022 13:48:33 GMT -5
That is the excuse that Harmon is giving Aminu bad advance and then blaming everyone else for it. He can't be truthful and admit to the kid that he led him wrong. Because if he does, he runs the risk of not cashing in at all if Aminu does eventually cash a big check. Lesson is... Leave the guardians alone kids. If you can ball, NCAA Basketball and the NBA will find you wherever you are. Its been proven over and over... Year after year... Southernhoyafan, I agree with much of what you have said here. In particular, it's foolish to recruit a kid that has a handler as involved as Harmon is with Aminu. That said, can you please comment further on how Harmon gave Aminu "bad advice" and "led him wrong". I completely agree with the take, just curious to hear how you think he led him wrong. Does anyone have the slightest clue of what goes on behind the scenes at Team Aminu? The only thing I know is what we all know, Aminu is still pretty raw, and certainly could have used more time in college ball. Maybe there's a money need, but other than that, should def have stayed at GTown
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Post by miracles87 on Jun 29, 2022 14:19:08 GMT -5
This is all completely accurate from my standpoint. Almost every public resource indicated it was extremely likely he would go undrafted and he did. As you stated one has to assume they were told over and over what areas Aminu needed to improve I think one more year in college would have done wonders for him regardless of his age. Please I don't feel like arguing about whether that means 1 more year at Gtown under Ewing or elsewhere...I am simply going w/the sentiment that 1 more year of college ball would have surely helped his development. I bet the game slows down some, he's probably a little stronger, a little more bball savvy, etc etc - the kid works extremely hard on the court and therefore I can only assume he does so off the court and I think just needed another year of bball maturity if you ask me. Why can't he get that "bball maturity" in the G-League next year? Maybe he can. To me, seems like skipping a step. Passing up the chance to hone his skills as a sophomore star on the resurgent Hoyas is not an experience that can be replicated in the G-League.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 29, 2022 14:27:03 GMT -5
Why can't he get that "bball maturity" in the G-League next year? Maybe he can. To me, seems like skipping a step. Passing up the chance to hone his skills as a sophomore star on the resurgent Hoyas is not an experience that can be replicated in the G-League. I don’t think what you’re describing is a trait teams look for in the NBA nor is it one that makes a meaningful difference on a players’ NBA career prospects. Aminu is already an extremely mature young man and whatever soft skills he’d get from “sticking it out” won’t change much.
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Post by miracles87 on Jun 29, 2022 14:32:56 GMT -5
Maybe he can. To me, seems like skipping a step. Passing up the chance to hone his skills as a sophomore star on the resurgent Hoyas is not an experience that can be replicated in the G-League. I don’t think what you’re describing is a trait teams look for in the NBA nor is it one that makes a meaningful difference on a players’ NBA career prospects. Aminu is already an extremely mature young man and whatever soft skills he’d get from “sticking it out” won’t change much. I think Aminu has already checked all of the "sticking it out" boxes. I am referring to his shooting skills specifically, and his offensive skill generally, which are nowhere near NBA level
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Post by Omega on Jun 29, 2022 16:14:17 GMT -5
Is he playing with the Philly summer league team? Um..doesn't Coach Ewing's old teammate coach there? I wonder how that invite happened?
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Jun 30, 2022 21:39:08 GMT -5
Why can't he get that "bball maturity" in the G-League next year? Maybe he can. To me, seems like skipping a step. Passing up the chance to hone his skills as a sophomore star on the resurgent Hoyas is not an experience that can be replicated in the G-League. Soooo...playing in the NCAA would have made Aminu a better basketball player than playing against professionals? This does not compute.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 1, 2022 8:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by southernhoyafan on Jul 1, 2022 8:59:22 GMT -5
Maybe he can. To me, seems like skipping a step. Passing up the chance to hone his skills as a sophomore star on the resurgent Hoyas is not an experience that can be replicated in the G-League. Soooo...playing in the NCAA would have made Aminu a better basketball player than playing against professionals? This does not compute. Playing in the G-League against professionals who have higher skillsets could highlight even more his weaknesses and just confirm for NBA scouts what they believed prior to the draft. Therefore, the patience for development runs out a lot quicker. If he goes back to school and dominates in the NCAA, then it keeps the NBA eyes open... Look its about money... The safer bet for him would have been to return to school...
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 1, 2022 9:04:01 GMT -5
This guy is an idiot. For all the Lu Dort's, there are literally thousands of kids who left early, went to G league or other comp, and didn't ever sniff the league. The clearest path to a big contract is to get drafted in the first round. Do Draymond Green's exist? Of course, but he was a four year player who proved himself in the big ten and then slipped to the 2nd round. Do undrafted guys like Dort or VanVleet happen? Sure, but that is a really tough way to go. Here is one article on five undrafted from this year: nba.nbcsports.com/2022/06/24/five-undrafted-players-from-2022-nba-draft-worth-watching/Aminu isn't on it. Doesn't mean he can't get it done, it just means he has an extremely high hill to climb. If I am a handler, my kid is going to the most prestigious university first, he is only leaving if he is a first round lock, and if he isn't a lock, he is staying three years to get close to that degree with a commitment from the school to pay for his fourth year whenever it fits his schedule. Duke, Michigan, UVA, Harvard, Stanford, Vandy, Gtown, Nwestern, all fit that model. I just don't get it.
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Post by miracles87 on Jul 1, 2022 12:12:41 GMT -5
Maybe he can. To me, seems like skipping a step. Passing up the chance to hone his skills as a sophomore star on the resurgent Hoyas is not an experience that can be replicated in the G-League. Soooo...playing in the NCAA would have made Aminu a better basketball player than playing against professionals? This does not compute. Why do you think a player who struggles in the Big East is ready to play on a higher level? You are letting the 5* stuff get to your head. This kid needs hard work on his skills, skills which he will then need to be able to incorporate into the team game. I am not saying it won't happen, he has a lot of intangibles such as intelligence and drive in his favor. His physical attributes are solid, but hardly stand out in pro ball. I do think he would absolutely have benefited by getting the chance to potentially dominate on the college level before going pro. What is the rush? He ain't KD, for goodness sakes.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 1, 2022 13:42:24 GMT -5
This guy is an idiot. For all the Lu Dort's, there are literally thousands of kids who left early, went to G league or other comp, and didn't ever sniff the league. The clearest path to a big contract is to get drafted in the first round. Do Draymond Green's exist? Of course, but he was a four year player who proved himself in the big ten and then slipped to the 2nd round. Do undrafted guys like Dort or VanVleet happen? Sure, but that is a really tough way to go. Here is one article on five undrafted from this year: nba.nbcsports.com/2022/06/24/five-undrafted-players-from-2022-nba-draft-worth-watching/Aminu isn't on it. Doesn't mean he can't get it done, it just means he has an extremely high hill to climb. If I am a handler, my kid is going to the most prestigious university first, he is only leaving if he is a first round lock, and if he isn't a lock, he is staying three years to get close to that degree with a commitment from the school to pay for his fourth year whenever it fits his schedule. Duke, Michigan, UVA, Harvard, Stanford, Vandy, Gtown, Nwestern, all fit that model. I just don't get it. We recruit kids that are looking at LSU, Kansas, Kansas State, Memphis, etc. These are basketball decisions, not academic ones. Apart from Villanova, our conference is littered with academically poor institutions. The 4-5 star kids are focused on getting paid to hoop. I wish the world were the way you perceive it, it would make more sense.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 1, 2022 13:59:20 GMT -5
Real question. How do these handlers make money? Let's say, for arguments sake, Aminu wows the G League and gets a $3 million contract. Do these handlers work it so they serve as an agent to the player in some way? A percentage of salary? Or do they rely on their kid to just give them money? I know handlers like this have existed for years, so they must get compensated somehow, it's just unclear to me how that happens?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jul 1, 2022 14:08:06 GMT -5
Soooo...playing in the NCAA would have made Aminu a better basketball player than playing against professionals? This does not compute. Why do you think a player who struggles in the Big East is ready to play on a higher level? You are letting the 5* stuff get to your head. This kid needs hard work on his skills, skills which he will then need to be able to incorporate into the team game. I am not saying it won't happen, he has a lot of intangibles such as intelligence and drive in his favor. His physical attributes are solid, but hardly stand out in pro ball. I do think he would absolutely have benefited by getting the chance to potentially dominate on the college level before going pro. What is the rush? He ain't KD, for goodness sakes. He needs real coaching somewhere. Leaving Georgetown was his only move.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 1, 2022 14:17:21 GMT -5
Real question. How do these handlers make money? Let's say, for arguments sake, Aminu wows the G League and gets a $3 million contract. Do these handlers work it so they serve as an agent to the player in some way? A percentage of salary? Or do they rely on their kid to just give them money? I know handlers like this have existed for years, so they must get compensated somehow, it's just unclear to me how that happens? As a handler, Harmon likely got paid when he sent Aminu to prep school and then again when he went to college. The idea is that by helping place a kid for success through high school/college, the kid will then compensate the handler as a "thank you" when he gets paid as a pro.
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