bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Aug 12, 2021 8:19:19 GMT -5
Welp...I guess Anglin popped first and that ended the Rowan dream. This young man's recruitment really has taken off over the last 6 months or so. I don't think he was even being considered for scholarships by the Kansas/Oregon type schools not that long ago. Give the young man credit for playing really well in AAU and attracting interest from some big schools. I would think the commitment from Denver probably had some impact on his perception of Georgetown, but those other big schools are also going to have some very talented players on those rosters also. Maybe the Hoyas started to slow play him a little after they got Denver, as they wait to see about Livingston/Watson and the other small forwards they are involved with and did not want to take another commitment from a guard until they knew if they could land one of those other guys at another position, but Rowan would have found a way to get playing time at Georgetown, he is a very talented player. I wish the young man well. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Aug 12, 2021 8:20:00 GMT -5
When in the Ewing era has the team retained everyone with eligibility? The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of at least 1 player leaving before exhausting their eligibility at GU. They aren’t telling kids who live a stones throw from the school, who they’ve had for an official visit, and are being recruited by Kansas and Texas, that they aren’t interested anymore. It’s not the end of the world, but Brumbaugh would’ve been a nice addition. Also, in the Ewing era, he has had some unusual transfers. I don't expect half the team to leave the program in one year unless the same set of unusual circumstances happen again. I expect these kids to be with the program for a while. I can see Mohammed and Riley leaving early, if they are ready for the pros. Otherwise, I don't think we need Rowan. Also, with Muhammad and Riley I expect for them to be here for at least two years and it could be for all four years. Probably nobody anticipates half the team leaving again, but the odds are overwhelming that at least someone leaves prior to exhausting their eligibility. It's not just the scholarship players that aren't in the rotation leaving these days, departures are now coming from guys like Wahab who ostensibly had a great situation in terms of on the court. That's not a knock on the staff, it's the reality of the current college basketball landscape. It isn't unusual for programs to have more players committed than scholarships currently available. Elite schools and stable programs should be using the transfer market to selectively augment the roster, not scramble for essential stop gaps. Surely DeGioia, Reed, and co. and probably Ewing would prefer the vast majority of the team matriculate out of high school |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 8:32:48 GMT -5
Also, in the Ewing era, he has had some unusual transfers. I don't expect half the team to leave the program in one year unless the same set of unusual circumstances happen again. I expect these kids to be with the program for a while. I can see Mohammed and Riley leaving early, if they are ready for the pros. Otherwise, I don't think we need Rowan. Also, with Muhammad and Riley I expect for them to be here for at least two years and it could be for all four years. Probably nobody anticipates half the team leaving again, but the odds are overwhelming that at least someone leaves prior to exhausting their eligibility. It's not just the scholarship players that aren't in the rotation leaving these days, departures are now coming from guys like Wahab who ostensibly had a great situation in terms of on the court. That's not a knock on the staff, it's the reality of the current college basketball landscape. It isn't unusual for programs to have more players committed than scholarships currently available. Elite schools and stable programs should be using the transfer market to selectively augment the roster, not scramble for essential stop gaps. Surely DeGioia, Reed, and co. and probably Ewing would prefer the vast majority of the team matriculate out of high school Here is my problem with what you're saying about having more players committed than scholarships available. You're saying elite schools have this strategy. By saying elite schools, I am assuming you're talking in terms of their success on the basketball court which makes them elite. If you're talking about that scenario, we ain't an elite school. If you're talking about that scenario, you have to assume that most kids want to be a part of that "elite" program. So, in that case, you're going to get more chicken from the hen house (because there are plenty). Georgetown doesn't have that luxury because we ain't those folks yet. We struggle to get commitments and not the other way around like in the case of the elites. If we dole out more commitments than scholarships, we are going to get the "Sibley affect". Guys are going to get discouraged and leave because they don't want to be playing on a team and got to worry year by year of being replaced or asked to leave because you have too many committed. Is this what you want? People on HoyaTalk said that they heard it through the grapevine that the reason why Q left was because of the constant losing. That is an unusual situation. How many players do you know leave a program because of losses? If that were usual, you would have a bunch of school dealing with transfers. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 12, 2021 8:38:05 GMT -5
Good, I'm glad he's gone. I rather have Livingston. Bigger, faster, longer, stronger and more skilled. Perhaps staff told him your services are no longer needed there kid. Beat it! I really hope the staff doesn't communicate anything like that to recruits - not a good long-term way to win friends and influence people in what is a relatively small recruiting universe, particularly locally. Fortunately I'm confident doesn't act like this at all, they are classy gentlemen. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 12, 2021 8:51:34 GMT -5
Good, I'm glad he's gone. I rather have Livingston. Bigger, faster, longer, stronger and more skilled. Perhaps staff told him your services are no longer needed there kid. Beat it! I really hope the staff doesn't communicate anything like that to recruits - not a good long-term way to win friends and influence people in what is a relatively small recruiting universe, particularly locally. Fortunately I'm confident doesn't act like this at all, they are classy gentlemen. Don’t worry Hoyaboya…they don’t….they are super gracious actually. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Aug 12, 2021 8:51:34 GMT -5
Probably nobody anticipates half the team leaving again, but the odds are overwhelming that at least someone leaves prior to exhausting their eligibility. It's not just the scholarship players that aren't in the rotation leaving these days, departures are now coming from guys like Wahab who ostensibly had a great situation in terms of on the court. That's not a knock on the staff, it's the reality of the current college basketball landscape. It isn't unusual for programs to have more players committed than scholarships currently available. Elite schools and stable programs should be using the transfer market to selectively augment the roster, not scramble for essential stop gaps. Surely DeGioia, Reed, and co. and probably Ewing would prefer the vast majority of the team matriculate out of high school Here is my problem with what you're saying about having more players committed than scholarships available. You're saying elite schools have this strategy. By saying elite schools, I am assuming you're talking in terms of their success on the basketball court which makes them elite. If you're talking about that scenario, we ain't an elite school. If you're talking about that scenario, you have to assume that most kids want to be a part of that "elite" program. So, in that case, you're going to get more chicken from the hen house (because there are plenty). Georgetown doesn't have that luxury because we ain't those folks yet. We struggle to get commitments and not the other way around like in the case of the elites. If we dole out more commitments than scholarships, we are going to get the "Sibley affect". Guys are going to get discouraged and leave because they don't want to be playing on a team and got to worry year by year of being replaced or asked to leave because you have too many committed. Is this what you want? People on HoyaTalk said that they heard it through the grapevine that the reason why Q left was because of the constant losing. That is an unusual situation. How many players do you know leave a program because of losses? If that were usual, you would have a bunch of school dealing with transfers. Was more referring to elite in terms of academics, would think our administration strongly prefers the program have a vast majority of the roster joining out of high school and contributing to a strong APR, as flawed as that system may be. But it isn't uncommon to see elite basketball programs like Duke and Kentucky have more kids committed than spots technically available. And it's not even a phenomenon of schools with elite basketball or academics. Most D1 schools deal with transfers annually for a wide variety of reasons, it's the nature of the current landscape of the sport. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 9:36:59 GMT -5
Good, I'm glad he's gone. I rather have Livingston. Bigger, faster, longer, stronger and more skilled. Perhaps staff told him your services are no longer needed there kid. Beat it! I really hope the staff doesn't communicate anything like that to recruits - not a good long-term way to win friends and influence people in what is a relatively small recruiting universe, particularly locally. Fortunately I'm confident doesn't act like this at all, they are classy gentlemen. Hoyaboya is was meant to be a joke. However, we don't need another point guard. |
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Post by bornhoya on Aug 12, 2021 11:12:33 GMT -5
Kid has come a long way in just a year to get to this point. I wish him well. He was the PG I wanted the most
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Aug 12, 2021 12:50:53 GMT -5
Odd mixture of schools.
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Post by bigelephant on Aug 12, 2021 12:53:41 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 12, 2021 13:44:58 GMT -5
Good luck to this young man. It sure sounds like he will be a good player and that he has worked hard to get to this point.
While it is too bad that the Hoyas missed out, most of our targets are not going to GU. It is helpful to cut down on the ones going nowhere sooner (Ward) rather than later (i.e. Baldwin), as pursuing these long yet futile recruitments uses resources and can be draining.
Yes, I hate to miss out here, and yes, the Hoyas ought to be fine.
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 17, 2021 12:48:14 GMT -5
Or they just as easily could’ve. We are not privy to their (full, evolving) recruiting strategy, at least I’m not. This is true that the recruiting strategy could be evolving, it's certainly possible the philosophy has evolved after the classes of multiple players at the same/similar positions, Akinjo/McClung and Wahab/Ighoefe/Wilson, probably didn't pan out as hoped. Just don't think that is the case with Rowan given he was joining the team for runs as recently as 3 weeks ago and was getting praise on social media from Mutombo for how he was playing. Would've loved to have had him but can't blame the staff or Rowan for it not happening at this juncture. Remember we’ve had a commit at his position between now and then. |
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Post by madhoya on Aug 20, 2021 13:12:18 GMT -5
Northwestern Pick up a Crystal ball 247sport…
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Post by bornhoya on Aug 20, 2021 14:43:31 GMT -5
Northwestern Pick up a Crystal ball 247sport… Don’t do it Rowan |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 20, 2021 14:52:34 GMT -5
Northwestern Pick up a Crystal ball 247sport… Don’t do it Rowan Great choice academically, horrible choice basketball-wise. Collins is a truly awful coach. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 20, 2021 20:24:03 GMT -5
I would be happy with this, as my dad was a Northwestern alum (class of 1938, I believe). I remember how happy we both were when Northwestern came out of nowhere to make it to the Rose Bowl one year (I think Fitzgerald played for that team), only to lose to the damn Trojans. Curse them.
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Post by practice on Aug 23, 2021 12:39:20 GMT -5
With the huge number of transfers this year -- and likely in the future -- it makes a ton of sense for the coaches to recruit as many high quality players as possible. No doubt some of our players will decide to transfer in the next couple of years -- bad fit, not enough playing time, etc. Likewise, many of the players we are recruiting now will go somewhere else and in a year or so decide to transfer -- they'll start with programs they have ties to/feel comfortable with. In 2021 and beyond, we are recruiting for both freshmen and future transfers.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 30, 2021 10:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 30, 2021 11:22:07 GMT -5
Wow
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Post by prhoya on Aug 30, 2021 11:42:45 GMT -5
Keep in touch! 😉
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