|
Post by professorhoya on Oct 18, 2021 9:57:51 GMT -5
Tim described the mistake of judgment as ‘inadvertent’ in his post. Not sure how that plays in Big Tim?
|
|
Bigs"R"Us
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,642
|
Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 18, 2021 10:21:09 GMT -5
Our disciplinary attrition rate under Pat is disgraceful. Way, way worse than the two State U’s I also follow closely…which is categorically absurd. Our attrition rate may be tied to our lack of tolerance for off-court behavior. Most state schools have a higher tolerance, including local law enforcement in many jurisdictions.
|
|
Cambridge
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Canes Pugnaces
Posts: 5,304
|
Post by Cambridge on Oct 18, 2021 10:26:36 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by wponds on Oct 18, 2021 10:29:23 GMT -5
Tim described the mistake of judgment as ‘inadvertent’ in his post. Not sure how that plays in Big Tim? Think he meant to say Tre. Tre's statement did mention that what ever happened was 'inadvertent'
|
|
smokeyjack
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,301
|
Post by smokeyjack on Oct 18, 2021 10:32:25 GMT -5
Our disciplinary attrition rate under Pat is disgraceful. Way, way worse than the two State U’s I also follow closely…which is categorically absurd. Our attrition rate may be tied to our lack of tolerance for off-court behavior. Most state schools have a higher tolerance, including local law enforcement in many jurisdictions. That’s a fair point, but it’s still a very bad look. And frankly, it should be the opposite. Having a smaller school should give us the luxury of being even more involved in helping our students navigate college life. And color me extremely skeptical that these outcomes are because GU is stricter. If the communications and PR part of the operation are any indication (and I absolutely believe they are), I’m guessing there’s way too little institutional control and involvement, not too much.
|
|
hoya9797
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,207
|
Post by hoya9797 on Oct 18, 2021 11:15:15 GMT -5
Our disciplinary attrition rate under Pat is disgraceful. Way, way worse than the two State U’s I also follow closely…which is categorically absurd. Our attrition rate may be tied to our lack of tolerance for off-court behavior. Most state schools have a higher tolerance, including local law enforcement in many jurisdictions. How often did these type of things happen under JTIII? I really don’t remember and I’m sure it happened but it seems like it’s more common now.
|
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 18,462
|
Post by SSHoya on Oct 18, 2021 11:40:07 GMT -5
Our attrition rate may be tied to our lack of tolerance for off-court behavior. Most state schools have a higher tolerance, including local law enforcement in many jurisdictions. How often did these type of things happen under JTIII? I really don’t remember and I’m sure it happened but it seems like it’s more common now. Greg Whittington. Jan. 2013: The Georgetown men’s basketball team will be without starting forward Greg Whittington for a second straight game because of a violation of team rules, Hoyas Coach John Thompson III confirmed on Tuesday afternoon. Whittington (Oakland Mills) also did not accompany the team Saturday to St. John’s, where Georgetown officials revealed roughly an hour before tip-off that the sophomore would not be playing. Even without its second leading scorer and rebounder, Georgetown managed its first Big East win, 67-51, after opening 0-2 in the conference.
|
|
hoya9797
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,207
|
Post by hoya9797 on Oct 18, 2021 11:55:19 GMT -5
How often did these type of things happen under JTIII? I really don’t remember and I’m sure it happened but it seems like it’s more common now. Greg Whittington. Jan. 2013: The Georgetown men’s basketball team will be without starting forward Greg Whittington for a second straight game because of a violation of team rules, Hoyas Coach John Thompson III confirmed on Tuesday afternoon. Whittington (Oakland Mills) also did not accompany the team Saturday to St. John’s, where Georgetown officials revealed roughly an hour before tip-off that the sophomore would not be playing. Even without its second leading scorer and rebounder, Georgetown managed its first Big East win, 67-51, after opening 0-2 in the conference. I forgot about him.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 18, 2021 12:00:17 GMT -5
How often did these type of things happen under JTIII? I really don’t remember and I’m sure it happened but it seems like it’s more common now. Greg Whittington. Jan. 2013: The Georgetown men’s basketball team will be without starting forward Greg Whittington for a second straight game because of a violation of team rules, Hoyas Coach John Thompson III confirmed on Tuesday afternoon. Whittington (Oakland Mills) also did not accompany the team Saturday to St. John’s, where Georgetown officials revealed roughly an hour before tip-off that the sophomore would not be playing. Even without its second leading scorer and rebounder, Georgetown managed its first Big East win, 67-51, after opening 0-2 in the conference. Yeah, the issue isn't that it happens once or twice, but rather when it happens over and over again in a relatively short period of time. Kids make dumb decisions, so some level of this stuff is inevitable. Our attrition rate the last few years is simply not normal. Maybe we can chalk it up to Georgetown not tolerating things other universities do or bad luck, but I am not so sure.
|
|
hoya9797
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,207
|
Post by hoya9797 on Oct 18, 2021 12:12:30 GMT -5
Greg Whittington. Jan. 2013: The Georgetown men’s basketball team will be without starting forward Greg Whittington for a second straight game because of a violation of team rules, Hoyas Coach John Thompson III confirmed on Tuesday afternoon. Whittington (Oakland Mills) also did not accompany the team Saturday to St. John’s, where Georgetown officials revealed roughly an hour before tip-off that the sophomore would not be playing. Even without its second leading scorer and rebounder, Georgetown managed its first Big East win, 67-51, after opening 0-2 in the conference. Yeah, the issue isn't that it happens once or twice, but rather when it happens over and over again in a relatively short period of time. Kids make dumb decisions, so some level of this stuff is inevitable. Our attrition rate the last few years is simply not normal. Maybe we can chalk it up to Georgetown not tolerating things other universities do or bad luck, but I am not so sure. I think it’s pretty unlikely that GU has suddenly become less tolerant. Frankly, bad luck is as good an explanation as anything but, luck is a residue of preparation so it’s fair to question the evaluation process.
|
|
conshyhoya
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 817
|
Post by conshyhoya on Oct 18, 2021 12:26:22 GMT -5
Greg Whittington. Jan. 2013: The Georgetown men’s basketball team will be without starting forward Greg Whittington for a second straight game because of a violation of team rules, Hoyas Coach John Thompson III confirmed on Tuesday afternoon. Whittington (Oakland Mills) also did not accompany the team Saturday to St. John’s, where Georgetown officials revealed roughly an hour before tip-off that the sophomore would not be playing. Even without its second leading scorer and rebounder, Georgetown managed its first Big East win, 67-51, after opening 0-2 in the conference. Yeah, the issue isn't that it happens once or twice, but rather when it happens over and over again in a relatively short period of time. Kids make dumb decisions, so some level of this stuff is inevitable. Our attrition rate the last few years is simply not normal. Maybe we can chalk it up to Georgetown not tolerating things other universities do or bad luck, but I am not so sure. I don't know what the answer is but I wonder if the prevalence of Social Media and things being captured on video has played a role. I don't follow any other program enough outside Nebraska football to know how commonplace it is since it only becomes national news when it is a bigger name. There are definitely multiple a year but how often is it the same team year in and year out is a good question to know where we fall.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,373
|
Post by prhoya on Oct 18, 2021 12:41:46 GMT -5
Pat needs a Mary Fenlon ( guhoyas.com/news/2019/12/16/mens-basketball-georgetown-community-mourns-the-passing-of-mary-fenlon.aspx )on staff. After five years at the helm, it should be obvious to Pat that these kids need real help and supervision to adjust to life as a GU student athlete. It’s ridiculous to excuse what is happening time and time again, and then say next year will be different. Another year with 7 to 8 departures for various reasons yet other programs have their best eligible players wanting to come back? Another year with a mysterious departure (thinking of The Case of the Missing Jalen Harris)? How does Wright do it at Villanova? I hate it, but what he’s built and how he did it should be our role model. We don’t have to go cross country to find a model of how to run a successful college basketball program in the modern era. The best example is right around the corner.
|
|
hoyainla
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Suspended
Posts: 4,719
|
Post by hoyainla on Oct 18, 2021 12:43:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the issue isn't that it happens once or twice, but rather when it happens over and over again in a relatively short period of time. Kids make dumb decisions, so some level of this stuff is inevitable. Our attrition rate the last few years is simply not normal. Maybe we can chalk it up to Georgetown not tolerating things other universities do or bad luck, but I am not so sure. I don't know what the answer is but I wonder if the prevalence of Social Media and things being captured on video has played a role. I don't follow any other program enough outside Nebraska football to know how commonplace it is since it only becomes national news when it is a bigger name. There are definitely multiple a year but how often is it the same team year in and year out is a good question to know where we fall. Most schools suffer from transfers though usually not their best players that would get as much playing time as they want. There are schools that have discipline issues but usually not the same team year after year. There are few if any schools that have our mix of both. I think a part of the problem is we are often the best offer for a lot of these players. That could be because of better talent evaluation but it could also be because schools that are on our level see something in the recruiting process that scares them off. You can't simply shrug off this amount of turnover to bad luck. It's laughable to think it's because GU is so strict based on what we know. Tre's particular case may be a case of being more strict than the past but that was brought on by previous events.
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,573
|
Post by hoyaboya on Oct 18, 2021 12:54:31 GMT -5
Pat needs a Mary Fenlon ( guhoyas.com/news/2019/12/16/mens-basketball-georgetown-community-mourns-the-passing-of-mary-fenlon.aspx )on staff. After five years at the helm, it should be obvious to Pat that these kids need real help and supervision to adjust to life as a GU student athlete. It’s ridiculous to excuse what is happening time and time again, and then say next year will be different. Another year with 7 to 8 departures for various reasons yet other programs have their best players wanting to come back? Another year with a mysterious departure (thinking of The Case of the Missing Jalen Harris)? How does Wright do it at Villanova? I hate it, but what he’s built and how he did it should be our role model. We don’t have to go cross country to find a model of how to run a successful college basketball program in the modern era. The best example is right around the corner. Once Ewing hangs it up, we could do a lot worse than targeting a Jay Wright protege...
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,373
|
Post by prhoya on Oct 18, 2021 12:56:18 GMT -5
Pat needs a Mary Fenlon ( guhoyas.com/news/2019/12/16/mens-basketball-georgetown-community-mourns-the-passing-of-mary-fenlon.aspx )on staff. After five years at the helm, it should be obvious to Pat that these kids need real help and supervision to adjust to life as a GU student athlete. It’s ridiculous to excuse what is happening time and time again, and then say next year will be different. Another year with 7 to 8 departures for various reasons yet other programs have their best players wanting to come back? Another year with a mysterious departure (thinking of The Case of the Missing Jalen Harris)? How does Wright do it at Villanova? I hate it, but what he’s built and how he did it should be our role model. We don’t have to go cross country to find a model of how to run a successful college basketball program in the modern era. The best example is right around the corner. Once Ewing hangs it up, we could do a lot worse than targeting a Jay Wright protege... True, as long as he doesn’t tank games against Nova, it would be awesome to capture some of what Wright is doing and get in the middle of Nova’s successful DMV recruiting.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 13:47:36 GMT -5
Pat needs a Mary Fenlon ( guhoyas.com/news/2019/12/16/mens-basketball-georgetown-community-mourns-the-passing-of-mary-fenlon.aspx )on staff. After five years at the helm, it should be obvious to Pat that these kids need real help and supervision to adjust to life as a GU student athlete. It’s ridiculous to excuse what is happening time and time again, and then say next year will be different. Another year with 7 to 8 departures for various reasons yet other programs have their best players wanting to come back? Another year with a mysterious departure (thinking of The Case of the Missing Jalen Harris)? How does Wright do it at Villanova? I hate it, but what he’s built and how he did it should be our role model. We don’t have to go cross country to find a model of how to run a successful college basketball program in the modern era. The best example is right around the corner. Once Ewing hangs it up, we could do a lot worse than targeting a Jay Wright protege... You're going to be waiting for awhile pal!
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,573
|
Post by hoyaboya on Oct 18, 2021 16:26:45 GMT -5
Seems like lax oversight of Hoya basketball players has been going on for quite some time... "Iverson had been smoking, at least, since he was a sophomore at Georgetown. " www.gq.com/story/allen-iverson
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,350
|
Post by tashoya on Oct 18, 2021 19:12:53 GMT -5
|
|
lichoya68
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
Posts: 17,440
|
Post by lichoya68 on Oct 18, 2021 20:31:10 GMT -5
Our attrition rate may be tied to our lack of tolerance for off-court behavior. Most state schools have a higher tolerance, including local law enforcement in many jurisdictions. How often did these type of things happen under JTIII? I really don’t remember and I’m sure it happened but it seems like it’s more common now.
|
|
lichoya68
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
Posts: 17,440
|
Post by lichoya68 on Oct 18, 2021 20:32:47 GMT -5
LIC PREDICTS tres will be. Back on campus next semester Nuf said not on topic, but GREAT to see lichoya68 back here . Not on topic ?!?!?!
|
|