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Post by IDenj on May 31, 2021 15:19:46 GMT -5
It’s not about a player. It’s about finding a balance for all parties involved which is fair. Fair for the player, the NBA and for NCAA. Rushing kids out of high school into the NBA isn’t in my opinion the best solution. You can tweak it for the NBA as opposed to NHL. Make it so high school kids have to declare for NBA with the intention of going college for at least a year. Those kids can be drafted. If a player doesn’t declare they won’t get drafted. Make it a two year bracket where teams can retain their rights. At that point they are guaranteed a certain amount of money if the team chooses not to sign you…and the player can be re drafted. It’s a gamble on both the players part and the teams part. Otto Porter wouldn’t have been drafted as a high school player or after his first year. Nor would he have declared to be drafted ( under the system I proposed ) so he wouldn’t have lost anything. Bennett was a dog. Felt like getting drafted was the finish line and didn’t see it as really the first mile in a marathon. He wasn’t mature enough to see what he had in front of him. Sure he made some quick money; could he have made more and had a longer NBA career had he put in more time working at his craft? You keep bringing up the player and $$$. This is the wrong mentality. The notion that some athlete in high school is owed X amount of money and should get drafted stat is the wrong perspective. Kids are being told how great they are or how they played great in the McDonald’s ASG so they deserve to get paid. Let them develop their skills and work their way thru the system. College, G league, last seat on the bench. I'll say it again, I don't care what's fair for billion-dollar businesses(especially the NCAA) if it means they're getting more control over players... The NBA isn't rushing kids, it's the kids & the folks around them who want to make the leap as soon as possible and I have no issue with that. Advocating for a system to pay them less money and give them less control of their careers so they can "develop doesn't sit right with me... I bring up the money because that's what's available to prospects now and I don't see why it should be lessened in a different system. In my view, you can't talk about it being a business in one post and then state that thinking about money is the wrong attitude in another... As CThoya stated in a previous post a modified version of the baseball rule would be the best solution... Please post the baseball draft system. I have no real idea how it works but at least give me the opportunity to poke holes in it with obtuse arguments and non factors.
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Post by EtomicB on May 31, 2021 17:00:18 GMT -5
If a player signs with the Rangers and plays for one of their minor league teams can the Canadiens pick them up for their NHL squad if they wanted to? You have a contract with one team but you aren’t happy there so you decide you want to break the contract and sign with another team? Is that your question? I'm pointing out that cases like Yurtseven's wouldn't happen in hockey or baseball because their minors are owned by the individual teams so when a player signs with that team he's locked up. The NBA has set up the G-league so that the great majority of players are available to any team in the league. gleague.nba.com/callups-101/All 28 NBA G League teams are singly affiliated with an NBA franchise, but that does not mean that NBA franchises own exclusive rights to all of the players on their NBA G League roster (like in Major League Baseball).
Outside of Two-Way Players and players on NBA Assignment, the majority of players in the NBA G League are available for any of the 30 NBA teams to sign (call up); these NBA G League players have signed contracts with the league rather than their individual team, so by NBA standards they are technically free agents.
This is why, for example, the Miami Heat could call up a Memphis Grizzlies “prospect” from the Grizzlies’ affiliate — as they did in 2014 when they signed center Hassan Whiteside.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 31, 2021 18:21:33 GMT -5
Please post the baseball draft system. I have no real idea how it works but at least give me the opportunity to poke holes in it with obtuse arguments and non factors. The MLB site's explanation is all you would expect from them...and less. I'm posting information from Wikipedia as an overview, below. To be drafted, a player must fit the following criteria:
1. Be a resident of, or have attended an educational institution in, the United States, Canada, or a U.S. territory such as Puerto Rico. Players from other countries are not subject to the draft, and can be signed by any team unless they have attended an educational institution in the aforementioned areas. 2. Have never signed a major or minor league contract. 3. High school players are eligible only after graduation, and if they have not attended college. 4. Players at four-year colleges and universities are eligible three years after first enrolling in such an institution, or after their 21st birthdays (whichever occurs first). 5. Junior and community college players are eligible to be drafted at any time.
The deadline for signing a drafted player is July 15. A selected player who enters a junior college cannot be signed until the conclusion of the school's baseball season. A player who is drafted and does not sign with the club that selected him may be drafted again at a future year's draft, so long as the player is eligible for that year's draft. A club may not select a player again in a subsequent year, unless the player has consented to the re-selection.
A player who is eligible to be selected and is passed over by every club becomes a free agent and may sign with any club, up until one week before the next draft, or until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college full-time or enters, or returns to, a junior college. In the one-week period before any draft, which is called the "closed period", the general rule is that no club may sign a new player.
Currently, teams can earn compensatory picks in the draft based on departing free agents who reject a Qualifying Offer from their respective team. A qualifying offer is defined as a one-year contract worth the average value of the top 120 player contracts for that year (in 2015, the value of the qualifying offer was $15.8 million).
Each team is allocated a "bonus pool" from which it can offer initial contracts to its drafted players. Each team's pool is based on its draft position and number of picks, plus the amount spent in the previous year's draft. For the 2012 draft, these pools ranged from $4.5 million to $11.5 million. If a team goes over its threshold by 5 percent or less, it must pay a "luxury tax" of 75% on the amount over the threshold. Teams that go 5 to 10 percent over must pay a 100% tax on the excess, and will lose their next first-round pick. A team that goes 15 percent over can lose its next two first-round picks, in addition to the "luxury tax". These excess picks will go to smaller-revenue teams via a yet-to-be-reported formula. Uniquely, these compensatory picks can be traded—marking the first time MLB has allowed trading of draft picks. However, all previous rules against trading of regular picks, or picks awarded as free agent compensation, remain in force.
Teams can no longer offer major league contracts to their draft choices—only minor league contracts are available. The only exception is for drafted players who have scholarships in other sports.Some thoughts: 1. A system like this in college basketball would significantly benefit junior college players who could join the draft at any time. 2. Drafted players can refuse a selection and go back in the draft the following year. How schools would adjust to this is anyone's guess. 3. It would be a major change to the NBA if all picks started in the G league, which would certainly increase the interest in that league.
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Post by IDenj on Jun 1, 2021 7:45:00 GMT -5
You have a contract with one team but you aren’t happy there so you decide you want to break the contract and sign with another team? Is that your question? I'm pointing out that cases like Yurtseven's wouldn't happen in hockey or baseball because their minors are owned by the individual teams so when a player signs with that team he's locked up. The NBA has set up the G-league so that the great majority of players are available to any team in the league. gleague.nba.com/callups-101/All 28 NBA G League teams are singly affiliated with an NBA franchise, but that does not mean that NBA franchises own exclusive rights to all of the players on their NBA G League roster (like in Major League Baseball).
Outside of Two-Way Players and players on NBA Assignment, the majority of players in the NBA G League are available for any of the 30 NBA teams to sign (call up); these NBA G League players have signed contracts with the league rather than their individual team, so by NBA standards they are technically free agents.
This is why, for example, the Miami Heat could call up a Memphis Grizzlies “prospect” from the Grizzlies’ affiliate — as they did in 2014 when they signed center Hassan Whiteside.C’mon man. You asked if a player under contract can leave and go play with another team. Obviously you can’t. Using Whiteside as an example is disingenuous. He wasn't signed to an NBA contract. Memphis did not hold his rights. Therefore he was a UFA able to sign with any team.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 1, 2021 10:13:22 GMT -5
I'm pointing out that cases like Yurtseven's wouldn't happen in hockey or baseball because their minors are owned by the individual teams so when a player signs with that team he's locked up. The NBA has set up the G-league so that the great majority of players are available to any team in the league. gleague.nba.com/callups-101/All 28 NBA G League teams are singly affiliated with an NBA franchise, but that does not mean that NBA franchises own exclusive rights to all of the players on their NBA G League roster (like in Major League Baseball).
Outside of Two-Way Players and players on NBA Assignment, the majority of players in the NBA G League are available for any of the 30 NBA teams to sign (call up); these NBA G League players have signed contracts with the league rather than their individual team, so by NBA standards they are technically free agents.
This is why, for example, the Miami Heat could call up a Memphis Grizzlies “prospect” from the Grizzlies’ affiliate — as they did in 2014 when they signed center Hassan Whiteside.C’mon man. You asked if a player under contract can leave and go play with another team. Obviously you can’t. Using Whiteside as an example is disingenuous. He wasn't signed to an NBA contract. Memphis did not hold his rights. Therefore he was a UFA able to sign with any team. This was my response to a post from CTHoya a couple of pages back. [/quote]In fairness to me I have brought up Yurtseven in this thread... His signing with the Heat after playing the season with the OKC affiliate is a testament to how the NBA has structured the G-League. That wouldn't happen in baseball or hockey... I do agree with you on modifying the baseball model for basketball...[/quote][/i] Note how I mention Y7 playing with the OKC affiliate but ended up signing with the Heat. You responded to this post by telling us how the NHL does have unrestricted free agents something that I never disputed, that's why I posed that question to you... My point was the NBA's G-league(minors) system allows the players to improve for any team that may want or need their talents. They're not locked into one organization like in Baseball or Hockey... Wasn't it a good thing for Whiteside that he didn't have a contract with the Grizzlies? If he did then he may never have earned his 98 million dollar contract with the heat 2 years after they grabbed him out of the G-League... To me, this is another example of how the NBA system is much more player-friendly than other pro sports
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 4, 2021 16:26:25 GMT -5
This could be big for athletes on any level... chicago.suntimes.com/2021/6/3/22517300/twitter-partners-with-company-to-allow-college-athletes-to-money-from-video-posts"This fall when a college sports fan is scrolling through Twitter, they're going to see a video from their favorite student-athlete and that video could be that athlete providing a postgame recap. Their thoughts on the game they just played," Lawrence said. "The fan hits play on that video and they will see a five- to 15- to 30-second advertisement before the video plays. "The difference between that video this fall and that video today is that video this fall will result in compensation directly to that student-athlete." The athlete will be paid based on engagement with the video and number of followers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 9:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 10:00:07 GMT -5
Players should get paid cause lord knows the University and the big time coaches do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 16:03:30 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on Jun 21, 2021 16:41:13 GMT -5
This could be the end of college sports as we know it. As of now the ruling appears to be limited to "education-related benefits", but given Kavanaugh's take, its not unlikely that a broader legal assault on any and all restrictions on compensation will follow.
When all this has shaken out, I'd expect some schools will field affiliated professional sports in mens basketball and football, and everyone else will either drop sports, or move to an unambiguously amateur DIII type model.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 16:58:11 GMT -5
Think that's a bit of an over-reaction. There's tons of space between here and there.
One thing that gets overlooked is the fact that the NCAA makes a ton of money but leaves half off the bag on the the table because it tries to maintain some sort of amateur sports facade. There are tons of revenue streams that are not being taken advantage of currently as a result. Lots of ability for the pot to grow imo. There's also a better chance to land and retain top talent if those players are being taken care of. Maybe you won't see as many border line guys leaving early or going overseas. The NCAA just need to hire a forward thinker and view this as an opportunity to improve the sport and make it more competitive.
There's still only 13 players per team and 5 on the court at the same time which means talent still has to be spread around in order for guys to shine.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 21, 2021 18:30:10 GMT -5
This could be the end of college sports as we know it. As of now the ruling appears to be limited to "education-related benefits", but given Kavanaugh's take, its not unlikely that a broader legal assault on any and all restrictions on compensation will follow. When all this has shaken out, I'd expect some schools will field affiliated professional sports in mens basketball and football, and everyone else will either drop sports, or move to an unambiguously amateur DIII type model. I think football is potentially in more trouble. Always felt there's been an NCAA football bubble ready to pop anyway. I think basketball will be fine. But either way if it's like any other sports/entertainment industry then what you are going to see is a few people make tons of money while 95% of the rest of the participants will be just scraping by.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 22, 2021 14:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 22, 2021 14:37:39 GMT -5
Odd to see that this late in the off-season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 15:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 22, 2021 22:30:20 GMT -5
Crazy…Leblanc, Akinjo and McClung will have played for 8 teams and committed to 9.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 22, 2021 22:35:07 GMT -5
Crazy…Leblanc, Akinjo and McClung will have played for 8 teams and committed to 9. Akinjo - UConn, Georgetown, Arizon and Baylor McClung - Rutgers, Georgetown, Texas Tech LeBlanc - Georgetown, LSU, TBD I count ten!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 23:09:49 GMT -5
Crazy…Leblanc, Akinjo and McClung will have played for 8 teams and committed to 9. Akinjo - UConn, Georgetown, Arizon and Baylor McClung - Rutgers, Georgetown, Texas Tech LeBlanc - Georgetown, LSU, TBD I count ten! Man dude this is absolutely crazy. Never seen anything like this before in college basketball. All I can do is just shake my head.
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 23, 2021 3:22:09 GMT -5
Crazy…Leblanc, Akinjo and McClung will have played for 8 teams and committed to 9. Akinjo - UConn, Georgetown, Arizon and Baylor McClung - Rutgers, Georgetown, Texas Tech LeBlanc - Georgetown, LSU, TBD I count ten! Correct…I forgot about UConn!
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Post by seaweed on Jun 23, 2021 5:37:01 GMT -5
So can we put to bed permanently the myth that this is a Ewing problem? Sure, he signed the guys - late to the recruiting game, he got the guys he could - but they each had off court issues that were not predictable and which meant they were always going to be looking for greener pastures. Or a place where somebody blows sweet strawberry smoke up their tuchuses, where the rules don’t apply to them or some other nonsense. Bad luck to have them all here at once, it this is not a reflection on Pat or the job he is doing as coach so much as it is a reflection on these kids.
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