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Post by blueandgray on Apr 25, 2021 16:52:25 GMT -5
I was rewatching a clip of the Hoyas running into the locker room after the Nova game....I think you guys would remember it if you saw it. The guys were jumping up and down in the hallway of MSG, clapping their hands, hugging each other, etc.. They were basically all pumped ...except for one guy. There was one player who despite having a great game was not smiling, who did not hug anyone, who was basically stoic and looked confused. Looking back it now ...it makes perfect sense that that guy was Wahab. He knew he was a Terp and yet for a moment he was on top of the CBB world as a Hoya.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 16:55:45 GMT -5
I was rewatching a clip of the Hoyas running into the locker room after the Nova game....I think you guys would remember it if you saw it. The guys were jumping up and down in the hallway of MSG, clapping their hands, hugging each other, etc.. They were basically all pumped ...except for one guy. There was one player who despite having a great game was not smiling, who did not hug anyone, who was basically stoic and looked confused. Looking back it now ...it makes perfect sense that that guy was Wahab. He knew he was a Terp and yet for a moment he was on top of the CBB world as a Hoya. I hope he never wins another tournament. I don't care if it's the boy scouts tournament, I DON'T WANT HIM TO WIN EVER AGAIN!!
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 25, 2021 19:41:05 GMT -5
I was rewatching a clip of the Hoyas running into the locker room after the Nova game....I think you guys would remember it if you saw it. The guys were jumping up and down in the hallway of MSG, clapping their hands, hugging each other, etc.. They were basically all pumped ...except for one guy. There was one player who despite having a great game was not smiling, who did not hug anyone, who was basically stoic and looked confused. Looking back it now ...it makes perfect sense that that guy was Wahab. He knew he was a Terp and yet for a moment he was on top of the CBB world as a Hoya. OldHoyaFan pointed out earlier in that tournament that Ewing said that Q could be the best big man in the country "if" he stayed at Georgetown. Coach probably suspected something, with Q kind of acting like a child who was trying to hide something. The deal was likely done during the COVID pause when the team looked like it was headed in the wrong direction, and then it was too late for him to change his mind once we started seeing the fruits of a winning culture. I'd like to believe that Q really wanted to stay after the COVID pause and after we had turned things around but it was too late. We'll never know but that's the story I'm going with as I don't think Q is a bad guy
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Post by guru on Apr 25, 2021 21:13:13 GMT -5
I was rewatching a clip of the Hoyas running into the locker room after the Nova game....I think you guys would remember it if you saw it. The guys were jumping up and down in the hallway of MSG, clapping their hands, hugging each other, etc.. They were basically all pumped ...except for one guy. There was one player who despite having a great game was not smiling, who did not hug anyone, who was basically stoic and looked confused. Looking back it now ...it makes perfect sense that that guy was Wahab. He knew he was a Terp and yet for a moment he was on top of the CBB world as a Hoya. OldHoyaFan pointed out earlier in that tournament that Ewing said that Q could be the best big man in the country "if" he stayed at Georgetown. Coach probably suspected something, with Q kind of acting like a child who was trying to hide something. The deal was likely done during the COVID pause when the team looked like it was headed in the wrong direction, and then it was too late for him to change his mind once we started seeing the fruits of a winning culture. I'd like to believe that Q really wanted to stay after the COVID pause and after we had turned things around but it was too late. We'll never know but that's the story I'm going with as I don't think Q is a bad guy Why would he have not been able to change his mind? I don’t get why it would have been too late.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 26, 2021 7:13:45 GMT -5
OldHoyaFan pointed out earlier in that tournament that Ewing said that Q could be the best big man in the country "if" he stayed at Georgetown. Coach probably suspected something, with Q kind of acting like a child who was trying to hide something. The deal was likely done during the COVID pause when the team looked like it was headed in the wrong direction, and then it was too late for him to change his mind once we started seeing the fruits of a winning culture. I'd like to believe that Q really wanted to stay after the COVID pause and after we had turned things around but it was too late. We'll never know but that's the story I'm going with as I don't think Q is a bad guy Why would he have not been able to change his mind? I don’t get why it would have been too late. Because the check had cleared.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 26, 2021 9:14:14 GMT -5
I was rewatching a clip of the Hoyas running into the locker room after the Nova game....I think you guys would remember it if you saw it. The guys were jumping up and down in the hallway of MSG, clapping their hands, hugging each other, etc.. They were basically all pumped ...except for one guy. There was one player who despite having a great game was not smiling, who did not hug anyone, who was basically stoic and looked confused. Looking back it now ...it makes perfect sense that that guy was Wahab. He knew he was a Terp and yet for a moment he was on top of the CBB world as a Hoya. I actually noticed this at the time. I just chalked it up to him being gassed. Maybe not...
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Post by dchoya72 on Apr 26, 2021 11:08:25 GMT -5
Well he's gone and for as much as I liked him, rooted for him and hoped for his growth, I am still surprised that he left, perplexing... Nevertheless, the Hoyas will overcome and whenever we face the Terps, I hope we beat them and him like a drum. Go Hoyas!
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Post by the_way on Apr 26, 2021 14:32:40 GMT -5
Whether Q decided to leave midseason or not, he gave a 100% effort and helped contribute to the Big East title.
If it is true, that says a lot about his character in that he gave it his all to still help the program he was about to leave.
The BET championship was a joyful occasion. What a great feeling for the fans and the program.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2021 20:13:16 GMT -5
Whether Q decided to leave midseason or not, he gave a 100% effort and helped contribute to the Big East title. If it is true, that says a lot about his character in that he gave it his all to still help the program he was about to leave. The BET championship was a joyful occasion. What a great feeling for the fans and the program. I’m curious how you separate that from his desire to just keep growing his own production? Earn the respect he thought he wasn’t getting at GU?
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 27, 2021 8:19:43 GMT -5
I for one think Q is a great kid! Sadly, I think he’s just a pawn in the game. And others are making all the moves.
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Post by dchoya72 on Apr 27, 2021 9:40:34 GMT -5
Whether Q decided to leave midseason or not, he gave a 100% effort and helped contribute to the Big East title. If it is true, that says a lot about his character in that he gave it his all to still help the program he was about to leave. The BET championship was a joyful occasion. What a great feeling for the fans and the program. I’m curious how you separate that from his desire to just keep growing his own production? Earn the respect he thought he wasn’t getting at GU? So, you think Wahab left because he wasn't getting respect? Who was not respecting him? Who was not cheering him on or acknowledging his work on the court, his defense, and his ability to be better? Who could not also see his flaws (i.e bring the ball down and not taking care of the ball)- or the potential that he has to get better? Maybe a few in this board, but for the greater part we were all cheerleaders to his contributions. I don't know why he left. That's his right to do so, but he learned a lot, especially about basketball, here. And in my opinion he was respected and valued! No matter what he does in the future, he did well here, and yet still could have been better. There was no shame in his game!!!!!!
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 27, 2021 9:55:46 GMT -5
I’m curious how you separate that from his desire to just keep growing his own production? Earn the respect he thought he wasn’t getting at GU? So, you think Wahab left because he wasn't getting respect? Who was not respecting him? Who was not cheering him on or acknowledging his work on the court, his defense, and his ability to be better? Who could not also see his flaws (i.e bring the ball down and not taking care of the ball)- or the potential that he has to get better? Maybe a few in this board, but for the greater part we were all cheerleaders to his contributions. I don't know why he left. That's his right to do so, but he learned a lot, especially about basketball, here. And in my opinion he was respected and valued! No matter what he does in the future, he did well here, and yet still could have been better. There was no shame in his game!!!!!! I believe his handler said he was tired of losing and that was the reason. That only makes sense if the decision was made before the end of the COVID pause when the season turned around.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 27, 2021 10:48:19 GMT -5
I’m curious how you separate that from his desire to just keep growing his own production? Earn the respect he thought he wasn’t getting at GU? So, you think Wahab left because he wasn't getting respect? Who was not respecting him? Who was not cheering him on or acknowledging his work on the court, his defense, and his ability to be better? Who could not also see his flaws (i.e bring the ball down and not taking care of the ball)- or the potential that he has to get better? Maybe a few in this board, but for the greater part we were all cheerleaders to his contributions. I don't know why he left. That's his right to do so, but he learned a lot, especially about basketball, here. And in my opinion he was respected and valued! No matter what he does in the future, he did well here, and yet still could have been better. There was no shame in his game!!!!!! I don’t think it. His guardian, Simonds literally said it right before his departure. Not referring to interpersonal respect. I’m talking about respect within the basketball world. Regardless on whether he was actually getting it or not on either front, the most important thing in this equation is Q’s perception of that and how he feels about the situation. It’s not about how we feel the situation fit him, it’s about his wants and needs. And also, not sure how asking a genuine question amounts to you reading into what I think about the situation? Not sure why you want to pick my thoughts, gonna keep my dialogue to the person I was addressing though. No need to diverge the discussion to one that has already been had ad nauseum here.. And agreee to disagree but there’s definitely some shame in his game. He could be a great Hoya was a good player, but that doesn’t mean we also have to make him out to be Superman. As you pointed out, he had some flaws (that he should have already corrected to this point, also chasing blocks and rebounds at the expense of sound team structure), he has a high ceiling but very much tbd on whether he ever nears it. As for centers who have played under Ewing, weird that he seems to get more respect around here than Jessie or Yurt, when both were far superior players and much more loyal. Loyalty isn’t a virtue anymore though, so I guess I can’t be surprised.
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Post by dchoya72 on Apr 27, 2021 13:54:06 GMT -5
In my opinion, both players you mentioned were limited in their own ways. I was not unhappy to see either depart. It seemed to me that they had plateaued. I didn't have that feeling or thought about Wahab. He was still in a formative stage. I am perplexed as to why you thought he felt disrespected, or was not respected. Where did that sentiment come from? Anybody putting comments on this board does so to be heard. And not everyone agrees or has to agree with what's said. I certainly don't comment to everything I agree or disagree with, but I thought your comment had something concrete to back it up. Just curious!
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 27, 2021 14:30:09 GMT -5
In my opinion, both players you mentioned were limited in their own ways. I was not unhappy to see either depart. It seemed to me that they had plateaued. I didn't have that feeling or thought about Wahab. He was still in a formative stage. I am perplexed as to why you thought he felt disrespected, or was not respected. Where did that sentiment come from? Anybody putting comments on this board does so to be heard. And not everyone agrees or has to agree with what's said. I certainly don't comment to everything I agree or disagree with, but I thought your comment had something concrete to back it up. Just curious! That’s fair, though I’d argue Yurt and Jessie both have higher ceilings than Q and that even if they had plateaued they’re still better than and gave us more than Q gave us. I understand Jessie and Yurt weren’t world beaters on defense, but I think their shortcomings were fashionable to exaggerate. Jessie had issues because in FOUR YEARS he NEVER had a suitable backup, so he didn’t exactly have the luxury of being in the thick of our defense. Plus, we really needed his offense the last two years. Obviously nowhere as good as player like Greg, but Jessie’s offensive versatility was AMAZING his senior year. Haven’t seen a center score from all over the floor like he has in a Hoya uniform in a long time. As for Yurt, he was a little better but limited in his foot speed, but it’s still equal or superior to Q’s. Either way, if you read the second sentence of my post you would know exactly where I sourced that thought from. It was among the very first pieces of evidence examined when the transfer was announced. His guardian, who is intimately involved in Qs athletic journey, has always been vocal on social media and he said that the losing at GU was overshadowing Qs impact, essentially that he couldn’t garner the proper requisite in his current situation.
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Post by dchoya72 on Apr 27, 2021 19:09:44 GMT -5
Note that Jessie and Yurtseven were seniors and spent four years demonstrating who they were. Wahab was a sophomore. He was getting national exposure and he was being mentored. I always felt that he had a jump shot. Certainly he had an excellent free throw technique. Sorry to see him go, but we are moving forward. It's his life and he gets to make choices. I will watch to see what happens. I am not a hater of the Terps, I wish we played them every year!! It's good for the DMV from my perspective. Peace.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 27, 2021 19:26:51 GMT -5
Note that Jessie and Yurtseven were seniors and spent four years demonstrating who they were. Wahab was a sophomore. He was getting national exposure and he was being mentored. I always felt that he had a jump shot. Certainly he had an excellent free throw technique. Sorry to see him go, but we are moving forward. It's his life and he gets to make choices. I will watch to see what happens. I am not a hater of the Terps, I wish we played them every year!! It's good for the DMV from my perspective. Peace. I just don't think he's very aware. He's wearing the tshirt under his jersey like his hero. He's now wearing the same number (#33) as his hero at Maryland. Yet he transfers away from his hero coach who put in alot of time and attention with him. And he also transfers to a rival school in the same town as his previous team. Who does that? I don't think he's doing all that on purpose, so I just don't think he's very aware of any of it but has been told to do this and that.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 30, 2021 11:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 12:05:58 GMT -5
Note that Jessie and Yurtseven were seniors and spent four years demonstrating who they were. Wahab was a sophomore. He was getting national exposure and he was being mentored. I always felt that he had a jump shot. Certainly he had an excellent free throw technique. Sorry to see him go, but we are moving forward. It's his life and he gets to make choices. I will watch to see what happens. I am not a hater of the Terps, I wish we played them every year!! It's good for the DMV from my perspective. Peace. I just don't think he's very aware. He's wearing the tshirt under his jersey like his hero. He's now wearing the same number (#33) as his hero at Maryland. Yet he transfers away from his hero coach who put in alot of time and attention with him. And he also transfers to a rival school in the same town as his previous team. Who does that? I don't think he's doing all that on purpose, so I just don't think he's very aware of any of it but has been told to do this and that. He may have a lot of respect for his former coach Patrick Ewing but he modeled his game after Hakeem Olajuwan.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 22, 2021 8:13:23 GMT -5
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