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Post by SSHoya on Jun 18, 2021 14:11:43 GMT -5
Merlin Wilson. Billy Lynn.
Craig Esherick - a second team All Met! 😁
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 18, 2021 14:12:34 GMT -5
I'm thinking to my time in the 90's and it was Othella & AI as the biggest recruits. Yes Jerome and Victor Page were part of that team but Jahidi, Duane Spencer, and George Butler were all big contributors or highly rated recruits around that time and none are from the area. I'm thinking outside of the Hibbert/Green group, we haven't really had a headliner from the metro area. I think our expectations have to be muted here but it would be nice to be able to fill out the roster with some local kids and we clearly haven't done a good job of that. How far back do you want to go? 1950's: Georgetown does not recruit any DC talent (outside Gonzaga or St. John's), focuses almost entirely on NYC Catholic schools. 1960's-1972: Jack Magee did some early work into recruiting from local teams (DeMatha) but still focuses mostly on NY/NJ Catholic schools. Thompson/1970's: Lots of recruits from St. Anthony's, broke into local market big with Al Dutch (Carroll), followed by the Duren brothers and Craig Shelton (Dunbar). Thompson 1980's: More Interhigh recruits were in the mix (Gene Smith, Bill Martin, Anthony Jones, Michael Graham, Anthony Tucker). The last of the St. Anthony recruits arrived by the mid-80's (Charles Smith, Bobby Winston, Sam Jefferson), but the big gets were David Wingate and Reggie Williams from Baltimore, and rising interest out of Northern Virginia (Michael Jackson). However, JT missed with Dennis Scott and Grant Hill and this was the beginning of some lean years locally. Thompson 1990's: More national recruits, by default. Some good local talent (Charlie Harrison, Robert Churchwell, Jerome Williams, Victor Page, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje) but not enough of them. Esherick: Mike Sweetney was the big get. Tony Bethel and Drew Hall were the next big Top 100 recruits, but that didn't work as planned. JT III: Best era for local kids, started with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, picked up Dajuan Summers and Henry Sims from Baltimore, then JTIII got three major WCAC multiple all-Mets in Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, and Jason Clark. Tre Campbell and Marcus Derrickson came in towards the end. Greg Whittington could have been a great one, but that went south. Perfect! Not sure how I missed Dajuan/Sims/Wright/Freeman/Clark. So our most successful era in the 80's we did well with local recruits and then Jeff/Roy triggered another DC/Bmore breakthrough. I think too much is made of the local recruit but I would like to see more guys fill out the roster from our backyard then nationally. It also just seems like a cheaper and more time efficient manner to recruit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 14:17:19 GMT -5
I just want us to get one kid a year or at least one kid every other year from the area. I want us to get the best local product from the DMV area each year or every other year. If we could manage to accomplish that, that would make me sooooo happy! In this case that local kid can even be from Baltimore as far as I care. I just want us to get one guy and the very best guy if it is possible.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Jun 18, 2021 15:28:19 GMT -5
I'm a PG County guy, and I will say that we almost always recently have one PG county guy on the team, sometimes more. Right now,it's Carey, last year and next. Before that Terrell Allen. There have been a few years without, but not many. Marcus D Markel Of course Austin, Chris and Jeff. Big Roy was a PG guy who moved to MoCo before he finished HS. M. Hopkins
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 18, 2021 19:29:38 GMT -5
I just want us to get one kid a year or at least one kid every other year from the area. I want us to get the best local product from the DMV area each year or every other year. If we could manage to accomplish that, that would make me sooooo happy! In this case that local kid can even be from Baltimore as far as I care. I just want us to get one guy and the very best guy if it is possible. The best local product is a massive ask. I'd be more than thrilled to see us get one of the top 5 local products regularly, since the pool of talent is so deep.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 19, 2021 22:51:49 GMT -5
I'm thinking to my time in the 90's and it was Othella & AI as the biggest recruits. Yes Jerome and Victor Page were part of that team but Jahidi, Duane Spencer, and George Butler were all big contributors or highly rated recruits around that time and none are from the area. I'm thinking outside of the Hibbert/Green group, we haven't really had a headliner from the metro area. I think our expectations have to be muted here but it would be nice to be able to fill out the roster with some local kids and we clearly haven't done a good job of that. How far back do you want to go? 1950's: Georgetown does not recruit any DC talent (outside Gonzaga or St. John's), focuses almost entirely on NYC Catholic schools. 1960's-1972: Jack Magee did some early work into recruiting from local teams (DeMatha) but still focuses mostly on NY/NJ Catholic schools. Thompson/1970's: Lots of recruits from St. Anthony's, broke into local market big with Al Dutch (Carroll), followed by the Duren brothers and Craig Shelton (Dunbar). Thompson 1980's: More Interhigh recruits were in the mix (Gene Smith, Bill Martin, Anthony Jones, Michael Graham, Anthony Tucker). The last of the St. Anthony recruits arrived by the mid-80's (Charles Smith, Bobby Winston, Sam Jefferson), but the big gets were David Wingate and Reggie Williams from Baltimore, and rising interest out of Northern Virginia (Michael Jackson). However, JT missed with Dennis Scott and Grant Hill and this was the beginning of some lean years locally. Thompson 1990's: More national recruits, by default. Some good local talent (Charlie Harrison, Robert Churchwell, Jerome Williams, Victor Page, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje) but not enough of them. Esherick: Mike Sweetney was the big get. Tony Bethel and Drew Hall were the next big Top 100 recruits, but that didn't work as planned. JT III: Best era for local kids, started with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, picked up Dajuan Summers and Henry Sims from Baltimore, then JTIII got three major WCAC multiple all-Mets in Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, and Jason Clark. Tre Campbell and Marcus Derrickson came in towards the end. Greg Whittington could have been a great one, but that went south. Such a great period you glossed over Markel.
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Post by dense on Jun 19, 2021 23:43:13 GMT -5
How far back do you want to go? 1950's: Georgetown does not recruit any DC talent (outside Gonzaga or St. John's), focuses almost entirely on NYC Catholic schools. 1960's-1972: Jack Magee did some early work into recruiting from local teams (DeMatha) but still focuses mostly on NY/NJ Catholic schools. Thompson/1970's: Lots of recruits from St. Anthony's, broke into local market big with Al Dutch (Carroll), followed by the Duren brothers and Craig Shelton (Dunbar). Thompson 1980's: More Interhigh recruits were in the mix (Gene Smith, Bill Martin, Anthony Jones, Michael Graham, Anthony Tucker). The last of the St. Anthony recruits arrived by the mid-80's (Charles Smith, Bobby Winston, Sam Jefferson), but the big gets were David Wingate and Reggie Williams from Baltimore, and rising interest out of Northern Virginia (Michael Jackson). However, JT missed with Dennis Scott and Grant Hill and this was the beginning of some lean years locally. Thompson 1990's: More national recruits, by default. Some good local talent (Charlie Harrison, Robert Churchwell, Jerome Williams, Victor Page, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje) but not enough of them. Esherick: Mike Sweetney was the big get. Tony Bethel and Drew Hall were the next big Top 100 recruits, but that didn't work as planned. JT III: Best era for local kids, started with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, picked up Dajuan Summers and Henry Sims from Baltimore, then JTIII got three major WCAC multiple all-Mets in Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, and Jason Clark. Tre Campbell and Marcus Derrickson came in towards the end. Greg Whittington could have been a great one, but that went south. Such a great period you glossed over Markel. Hopkins too. He was a top 100 local from Dematha
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Post by SDHoya on Jun 20, 2021 0:09:12 GMT -5
I'm thinking to my time in the 90's and it was Othella & AI as the biggest recruits. Yes Jerome and Victor Page were part of that team but Jahidi, Duane Spencer, and George Butler were all big contributors or highly rated recruits around that time and none are from the area. I'm thinking outside of the Hibbert/Green group, we haven't really had a headliner from the metro area. I think our expectations have to be muted here but it would be nice to be able to fill out the roster with some local kids and we clearly haven't done a good job of that. How far back do you want to go? 1950's: Georgetown does not recruit any DC talent (outside Gonzaga or St. John's), focuses almost entirely on NYC Catholic schools. 1960's-1972: Jack Magee did some early work into recruiting from local teams (DeMatha) but still focuses mostly on NY/NJ Catholic schools. Thompson/1970's: Lots of recruits from St. Anthony's, broke into local market big with Al Dutch (Carroll), followed by the Duren brothers and Craig Shelton (Dunbar). Thompson 1980's: More Interhigh recruits were in the mix (Gene Smith, Bill Martin, Anthony Jones, Michael Graham, Anthony Tucker). The last of the St. Anthony recruits arrived by the mid-80's (Charles Smith, Bobby Winston, Sam Jefferson), but the big gets were David Wingate and Reggie Williams from Baltimore, and rising interest out of Northern Virginia (Michael Jackson). However, JT missed with Dennis Scott and Grant Hill and this was the beginning of some lean years locally. Thompson 1990's: More national recruits, by default. Some good local talent (Charlie Harrison, Robert Churchwell, Jerome Williams, Victor Page, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje) but not enough of them. Esherick: Mike Sweetney was the big get. Tony Bethel and Drew Hall were the next big Top 100 recruits, but that didn't work as planned. JT III: Best era for local kids, started with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, picked up Dajuan Summers and Henry Sims from Baltimore, then JTIII got three major WCAC multiple all-Mets in Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, and Jason Clark. Tre Campbell and Marcus Derrickson came in towards the end. Greg Whittington could have been a great one, but that went south. Small correction here—Jeff and Roy were Esh recruits, III simply convinced them not to de-commit. And after a short period where III did fairly well with local guys, that trailed off quite a bit. After Freeman and Wright, his most notable recruits were Monroe and Porter. He still got a few local kids, but he was never anything approaching a dominant local recruiter.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 20, 2021 9:10:20 GMT -5
Small correction here—Jeff and Roy were Esh recruits, III simply convinced them not to de-commit. And after a short period where III did fairly well with local guys, that trailed off quite a bit. After Freeman and Wright, his most notable recruits were Monroe and Porter. He still got a few local kids, but he was never anything approaching a dominant local recruiter. Thanks for the follow-ups--it was not meant to be a complete list, because everyone from Larry Long to Eric Smith to Markel Starks deserves a reference as well. Agreed that there were hills and valleys with JT III. There were definitely three acts in his saga, with Act I ("The Rise") covering 2004-2008, Act II ("The Plateau") from 2008-2013 and Act III ("The Fall) from 2013-2017. He seemed to grow tiresome with recruiting locally, and it showed after Burke, Cox, and Brennan left. Recruiting is a young man's game, and even John Thompson's recruiting touch started to dip after his 40's. Any suggestion that Ewing could have benefited from a young, energetic local assistant is water under the bridge at this point as he has shown no sign of going younger, and is content with Orr (63) and Kirby (turns 60 this month) carrying the torch. Waheed is 44 if that counts for youth.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 21, 2021 7:41:35 GMT -5
How far back do you want to go? 1950's: Georgetown does not recruit any DC talent (outside Gonzaga or St. John's), focuses almost entirely on NYC Catholic schools. 1960's-1972: Jack Magee did some early work into recruiting from local teams (DeMatha) but still focuses mostly on NY/NJ Catholic schools. Thompson/1970's: Lots of recruits from St. Anthony's, broke into local market big with Al Dutch (Carroll), followed by the Duren brothers and Craig Shelton (Dunbar). Thompson 1980's: More Interhigh recruits were in the mix (Gene Smith, Bill Martin, Anthony Jones, Michael Graham, Anthony Tucker). The last of the St. Anthony recruits arrived by the mid-80's (Charles Smith, Bobby Winston, Sam Jefferson), but the big gets were David Wingate and Reggie Williams from Baltimore, and rising interest out of Northern Virginia (Michael Jackson). However, JT missed with Dennis Scott and Grant Hill and this was the beginning of some lean years locally. Thompson 1990's: More national recruits, by default. Some good local talent (Charlie Harrison, Robert Churchwell, Jerome Williams, Victor Page, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje) but not enough of them. Esherick: Mike Sweetney was the big get. Tony Bethel and Drew Hall were the next big Top 100 recruits, but that didn't work as planned. JT III: Best era for local kids, started with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, picked up Dajuan Summers and Henry Sims from Baltimore, then JTIII got three major WCAC multiple all-Mets in Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, and Jason Clark. Tre Campbell and Marcus Derrickson came in towards the end. Greg Whittington could have been a great one, but that went south. Small correction here—Jeff and Roy were Esh recruits, III simply convinced them not to de-commit. And after a short period where III did fairly well with local guys, that trailed off quite a bit. After Freeman and Wright, his most notable recruits were Monroe and Porter. He still got a few local kids, but he was never anything approaching a dominant local recruiter. I disagree that it is "simple" to get guys not to decommit after a coaching change. The examples are too numerous to list.
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Post by SDHoya on Jun 21, 2021 10:57:26 GMT -5
Small correction here—Jeff and Roy were Esh recruits, III simply convinced them not to de-commit. And after a short period where III did fairly well with local guys, that trailed off quite a bit. After Freeman and Wright, his most notable recruits were Monroe and Porter. He still got a few local kids, but he was never anything approaching a dominant local recruiter. I disagree that it is "simple" to get guys not to decommit after a coaching change. The examples are too numerous to list. I think you misinterpret my use of the term "simply". I did not imply is was "simple" (i.e., "easy") to convince someone not to decommit. I was pointing out that he did not recruit Jeff or Roy, he "simply" (i.e., "only") convinced them not to re-open their recruitments.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 22, 2021 18:35:01 GMT -5
I disagree that it is "simple" to get guys not to decommit after a coaching change. The examples are too numerous to list. I think you misinterpret my use of the term "simply". I did not imply is was "simple" (i.e., "easy") to convince someone not to decommit. I was pointing out that he did not recruit Jeff or Roy, he "simply" (i.e., "only") convinced them not to re-open their recruitments. Simple? Shoot it's not easy to get enrolled players that are receiving all the minutes and taking all the shots they want to simply stay from one season to the next.
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