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Post by hoyaboya on May 27, 2021 12:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 18, 2021 1:00:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 7:02:28 GMT -5
How is that gonna work with him and Frankie there at the same time???
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Post by oldbigeast on Jun 18, 2021 7:43:55 GMT -5
Dug has played with 5* PGs before. He'll be fine playing with Collins. Also I doubt Dug sees himself as a one and done.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 18, 2021 7:50:40 GMT -5
Good for him- it sounds like that was his dream school. On to the next one for the Hoyas. It sounds like this ship had sailed a while ago anyway.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jun 18, 2021 10:18:38 GMT -5
May have been an uphill battle all the way for this kid, but are we still OK with the state of our local recruiting?
Really sick and tired of Michigan plucking anyone they want in our region (or off our commitment roster) anytime they want.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 18, 2021 10:42:32 GMT -5
May have been an uphill battle all the way for this kid, but are we still OK with the state of our local recruiting? I think Ewing has come to terms with the fact that he has not had success locally and is comfortable recruiting outside it. Only two players since 2017 have been enrolled directly from an area high school: Antwan Walker, although committed pre-Ewing (H.D. Woodson) and Qudus Wahab (Flint Hill). It's not that Georgetown hasn't tried but the results aren't there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 10:43:56 GMT -5
May have been an uphill battle all the way for this kid, but are we still OK with the state of our local recruiting? I think Ewing has come to terms with the fact that he has not had success locally and is comfortable recruiting outside it. Only two players since 2017 have been recruited directly from an area high school: Antwan Walker, although recruited originally by JT III (H.D. Woodson) and Qudus Wahab (Flint Hill). It's not that Georgetown hasn't tried but after four years of the same staff, the results aren't there. H.D. Woodson is my alma mater.
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Post by hoya59er on Jun 18, 2021 10:56:50 GMT -5
Ewing better have success recruiting locally! It is critically important to the future success of our program!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 11:03:27 GMT -5
We just need to get one guy to get this ball rolling! Can the staff get it done?!!
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 18, 2021 11:09:00 GMT -5
Dug has played with 5* PGs before. He'll be fine playing with Collins. Also I doubt Dug sees himself as a one and done. I hope he is ok with 3 of his 4 years being a role player. Freshman year behind Frankie, sophomore year behind Frankie and 5*, Junior year behind 5*... I hope he outplays Frankie because it could be a long 4yrs of little PT....
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 18, 2021 11:38:03 GMT -5
May have been an uphill battle all the way for this kid, but are we still OK with the state of our local recruiting? I think Ewing has come to terms with the fact that he has not had success locally and is comfortable recruiting outside it. Only two players since 2017 have been enrolled directly from an area high school: Antwan Walker, although committed pre-Ewing (H.D. Woodson) and Qudus Wahab (Flint Hill). It's not that Georgetown hasn't tried but the results aren't there. Pickett? Malinowski? Allen? I know there are some technicalities on those examples that DFW will probably raise but they are definitely all local kids (though not particularly high ranking recruits)...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 18, 2021 11:50:37 GMT -5
Pickett? Malinowski? Allen? I know there are some technicalities on those examples that DFW will probably raise but they are definitely all local kids (though not particularly high ranking recruits)... Yes, they were local. But Malinowski and Allen (Carey too) were transfers and Pickett prepped at Massanutten--I was speaking of signings from seniors in high school. I think we all realize that the coach is going to decide what's best for him, but the optics of Ewing (and for that matter, Turgeon) not having built a local recruiting base does not go unnoticed among high school coaches...or for that matter, among other college recruiters.
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 18, 2021 12:17:05 GMT -5
Pickett? Malinowski? Allen? I know there are some technicalities on those examples that DFW will probably raise but they are definitely all local kids (though not particularly high ranking recruits)... Yes, they were local. But Malinowski and Allen (Carey too) were transfers and Pickett prepped at Massanutten--I was speaking of signings from seniors in high school. I think we all realize that the coach is going to decide what's best for him, but the optics of Ewing (and for that matter, Turgeon) not having built a local recruiting base does not go unnoticed among high school coaches...or for that matter, among other college recruiters. I don't think that it is because of a lack of effort that Georgetown has not built a local recruiting base. They seem to be active for quite a few local kids every year and have gone after some of them pretty hard. The results have not been there to the degree that many would like to see at this point. It is an important area to recruit successfully in because there are so many good players in this market. At some point Ewing may need to look at bringing in another assistant who can be more successful in this market if the results don't start changing soon. I respect the loyalty he shows to the guys on his staff, but it is a results business and developing a local recruiting pipeline is very important to the long term success of the program.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 18, 2021 13:27:38 GMT -5
For some of the old heads on here, have we ever really dominated recruiting locally?
I'm thinking to my time in the 90's and it was Othella & AI as the biggest recruits. Yes Jerome and Victor Page were part of that team but Jahidi, Duane Spencer, and George Butler were all big contributors or highly rated recruits around that time and none are from the area. I'm thinking outside of the Hibbert/Green group, we haven't really had a headliner from the metro area. I think our expectations have to be muted here but it would be nice to be able to fill out the roster with some local kids and we clearly haven't done a good job of that.
So rather than a flyer on kid from 10 hours away you take a shot with a WCAC kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 13:28:44 GMT -5
God please give us one kid, just one so that we can get going! Aaargh so frustrating!!!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 18, 2021 13:52:21 GMT -5
I'm thinking to my time in the 90's and it was Othella & AI as the biggest recruits. Yes Jerome and Victor Page were part of that team but Jahidi, Duane Spencer, and George Butler were all big contributors or highly rated recruits around that time and none are from the area. I'm thinking outside of the Hibbert/Green group, we haven't really had a headliner from the metro area. I think our expectations have to be muted here but it would be nice to be able to fill out the roster with some local kids and we clearly haven't done a good job of that. How far back do you want to go? 1950's: Georgetown does not recruit any DC talent (outside Gonzaga or St. John's), focuses almost entirely on NYC Catholic schools. 1960's-1972: Jack Magee did some early work into recruiting from local teams (DeMatha) but still focuses mostly on NY/NJ Catholic schools. Thompson/1970's: Lots of recruits from St. Anthony's, broke into local market big with Al Dutch (Carroll), followed by the Duren brothers and Craig Shelton (Dunbar). Thompson 1980's: More Interhigh recruits were in the mix (Gene Smith, Bill Martin, Anthony Jones, Michael Graham, Anthony Tucker). The last of the St. Anthony recruits arrived by the mid-80's (Charles Smith, Bobby Winston, Sam Jefferson), but the big gets were David Wingate and Reggie Williams from Baltimore, and rising interest out of Northern Virginia (Michael Jackson). However, JT missed with Dennis Scott and Grant Hill and this was the beginning of some lean years locally. Thompson 1990's: More national recruits, by default. Some good local talent (Charlie Harrison, Robert Churchwell, Jerome Williams, Victor Page, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje) but not enough of them. Esherick: Mike Sweetney was the big get. Tony Bethel and Drew Hall were the next big Top 100 recruits, but that didn't work as planned. JT III: Best era for local kids, started with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, picked up Dajuan Summers and Henry Sims from Baltimore, then JTIII got three major WCAC multiple all-Mets in Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, and Jason Clark. Tre Campbell and Marcus Derrickson came in towards the end. Greg Whittington could have been a great one, but that went south.
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Post by hoya73 on Jun 18, 2021 13:54:52 GMT -5
For some of the old heads on here, have we ever really dominated recruiting locally? I'm thinking to my time in the 90's and it was Othella & AI as the biggest recruits. Yes Jerome and Victor Page were part of that team but Jahidi, Duane Spencer, and George Butler were all big contributors or highly rated recruits around that time and none are from the area. I'm thinking outside of the Hibbert/Green group, we haven't really had a headliner from the metro area. I think our expectations have to be muted here but it would be nice to be able to fill out the roster with some local kids and we clearly haven't done a good job of that. So rather than a flyer on kid from 10 hours away you take a shot with a WCAC kid. Old head chiming in. It could be argued that we were most successful in the late 70s classes that solidified Thompson's remaining as GU coach and led to his 80s success. Al Dutch, but then most significantly Shelton and Duren from DC Dunbar. Roster also filled out with more local players, especially the DCIAA before the WCAC began to recruit all its best players, leaving just a few DC public Division I recruits around in any recent year.. Then turning to Baltimore Dunbar, if that can be considered local, during the 80s for Wingate, then Reggie. At the same time, people often commented on our pipeline of players from New Orleans during the years, starting with Steve Martin. Bryant, Edwards, etc. And of course Patrick was the outlier, from Boston.
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Post by hoya73 on Jun 18, 2021 13:55:51 GMT -5
And while Iwas typing this, DFW did it better and in more detail.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 18, 2021 13:59:44 GMT -5
And while Iwas typing this, DFW did it better and in more detail. It was before my time, but more than one person has told me how big getting Al Dutch was to the trajectory of the program. He's unknown to the current era but if there was no Al Dutch, there might not have been a Duren & Shelton at Georgetown together, and without what those two helped build, Ewing is playing somewhere else in the fall of 1981.
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