wsdhoya
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Post by wsdhoya on Feb 4, 2021 11:40:40 GMT -5
Amazing that next year's class is ranked 11th in the country but only 4th in the Big East. Assuming Blair and Pickett leave, I'd go: Dante, Aminu, Berger/grad transfer forward, Sibley, Wahab. Next year's team will be young and hopefully exciting to watch. Assuming they stick together I would guess our first real shot at the tournament would be the 22-23 season. As shown by Duke, Carolina, and Kentucky all struggling, you need experience to win in college basketball. We also are in need of another experienced 4 next year, especially if Sibley isn't quite there yet.
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Feb 4, 2021 11:43:18 GMT -5
Keep telling me to pull my head from my rear. Let’s see how this plays out. You will be wrong.
Pickett & Blair will not be back.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 4, 2021 12:00:28 GMT -5
Amazing that next year's class is ranked 11th in the country but only 4th in the Big East. Assuming Blair and Pickett leave, I'd go: Dante, Aminu, Berger/grad transfer forward, Sibley, Wahab. Next year's team will be young and hopefully exciting to watch. Assuming they stick together I would guess our first real shot at the tournament would be the 22-23 season. As shown by Duke, Carolina, and Kentucky all struggling, you need experience to win in college basketball. We also are in need of another experienced 4 next year, especially if Sibley isn't quite there yet. The lack of a Summer really hurt too. If they can get kids on campus, that helps soften some of the freshman adjusting period. I think on some level all programs that are freshman dependent are dealing with that.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 4, 2021 12:21:01 GMT -5
Keep telling me to pull my head from my rear. Let’s see how this plays out. You will be wrong. Pickett & Blair will not be back. I don't see Pickett and/or Blair returning. They have both put in their time at Georgetown and will graduate at the end of this year and I am sure that at this point they are ready to start the rest of their life. I think both have a more than decent chance to make some money playing basketball somewhere internationally and I don't see how they increase their value as professionals by coming back for one more year. Carey has another year of eligibility and I think he may come back and who knows about Bile. He has had a strange journey in college basketball with lots of stops already. Maybe he really is enjoying his time at Georgetown and would like to have a real full season to see what he and the program can do, but he is also someone who can start getting paid to play professionally somewhere in the world.The Hoyas are going to be young next year unless they find a grad transfer or two to join the program.
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Post by kbones17 on Feb 4, 2021 12:25:07 GMT -5
I’m not going to speculate on playing time/lineups because there are so many different variables in play. But, I am really hoping that there is Kenner this summer so that we can get our newcomers on campus and get them going.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 4, 2021 12:37:09 GMT -5
If Blair, Pickett, Carey and Bile return next year, and the incoming class stays intact, then we are finally an NCAA Tournament team. That, plus a grad degree or two, might be enough of an incentive for Blair and Pickett to return. I think that if Pickett sticks to 3&D with a penetration or two if the line to the basket is clear, plus a Blair concentraring on best shot selection, plus do-it-all Bile, we’re finally a balanced team next year. It may lead to a departure of players not used this year, but that’s the state of the game, esp. next season with the free transfer market due to COVID. I don’t see any of the abovementioned players as threats to leave to other colleges. If they leave, then it’s to play pro somewhere.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Feb 4, 2021 12:54:49 GMT -5
Question for the board. We are at 13 players for next year (not including any grad transfers/seniors). What I don't understand is that Carey is a grad transfer/senior so he wouldn't count against the scholarship even if he comes back? So irrespective of any transfers, we are fine on the scholly count. Or am I wrong? Why would his situation be different than Pickett/Bile/Blair?
Additionally any of Bile/Blair/Pickett can also come back (I don't think any will, maybe 1?) without counting.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 4, 2021 13:15:40 GMT -5
Question for the board. We are at 13 players for next year (not including any grad transfers/seniors). What I don't understand is that Carey is a grad transfer/senior so he wouldn't count against the scholarship even if he comes back? So irrespective of any transfers, we are fine on the scholly count. Or am I wrong? Why would his situation be different than Pickett/Bile/Blair? Additionally any of Bile/Blair/Pickett can also come back (I don't think any will, maybe 1?) without counting. Carey arrived with two years of legit eligibility left so actually we have one too many scholarships at this point, and Bile/Blair/Pickett are actual seniors so they don't count against our total if they take the extra year, but if they for some reason transferred to another school then they DO count against that team's total. At least that is what I think the rules said. So in terms of next year's lineup until we get an announcement of one of the seniors staying on (including Carey who many agree seems to have wanted exposure this year which is cool if he can go Pro), I am just thinking about the freshmen and maybe looking into available transfers at PF or PG because the staff is still pursuing recruits it seems so there may be something in the works and I would prefer a grad than another frosh.
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 4, 2021 13:41:01 GMT -5
Keep telling me to pull my head from my rear. Let’s see how this plays out. You will be wrong. Pickett & Blair will not be back. I think that's likely, but it has NOTHING to do with concern about incoming recruits and everything to do with intentions of those two to play professionally. You're nuts if you think Pat is pushing Blair out the door because he cares what incoming recruits think.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 17:36:56 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it some mo', give me my Pickett, my Blair and my Bile and I'm good. If Carey wants to play to help lead us to the NCAA's too, I'm with it!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 5, 2021 0:29:57 GMT -5
Do you really want seniors back to play a fifth year of college basketball because of a loophole? What do they have to prove? It’s time to move on with life and let the young kids thrive. Nothing was missed last season. We lost our Wednesday night Big East opener and weren’t going to the NCAAs. We’re still in 10th place in the league after our two wins. I just want to see fresh faces playing next year.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 5, 2021 7:13:51 GMT -5
If Blair, Pickett, Carey and Bile return next year, and the incoming class stays intact, then we are finally an NCAA Tournament team. That, plus a grad degree or two, might be enough of an incentive for Blair and Pickett to return. I think that if Pickett sticks to 3&D with a penetration or two if the line to the basket is clear, plus a Blair concentraring on best shot selection, plus do-it-all Bile, we’re finally a balanced team next year. It may lead to a departure of players not used this year, but that’s the state of the game, esp. next season with the free transfer market due to COVID. I don’t see any of the abovementioned players as threats to leave to other colleges. If they leave, then it’s to play pro somewhere. This is the problem PR. Morko doesn't view himself as strictly a 3nD player. Morko views himself as mini-KD. I personally think that he is somewhere in between the two but he will still be a 5th yr Sr that demands the ball. The team will be better with Dante(soph) and Q(jr) being the focal point of the O. I believe that will make it easier for one of the freshmen to transition into the role of offensive leader. I won't include Juggy because I don't believe their in any chance of him coming back....
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Post by prhoya on Feb 5, 2021 8:24:25 GMT -5
This is the problem PR. Morko doesn't view himself as strictly a 3nD player. Morko views himself as mini-KD. I personally think that he is somewhere in between the two but he will still be a 5th yr Sr that demands the ball. The team will be better with Dante(soph) and Q(jr) being the focal point of the O. I believe that will make it easier for one of the freshmen to transition into the role of offensive leader. I won't include Juggy because I don't believe their in any chance of him coming back.... I understand, but it’s part of Jamorko’s maturity as a player. Accept what you are and what you are not at the next level. When he plays pro (wherever that is), he will not be asked to go 1v1 to the basket. He is too soft to handle and does not look for contact on lay-ups. For example, KD averaged 7.3 FTAs in his one season at Texas, while Jamorko averages 1.8 FTAs as a senior in almost the same amount of minutes. Pickett will be a 3&D, with the ability to drive if given the free pass to the basket. Next year, he would not be asked to carry the team. He could come back as an excellent 4th or 5th option, a perfect mismatch, just not the one who demands the ball, while still improving as a defender. From all reports, Aminu is a very good defender. Add him to Pickett, Bile and Qudus/Tim/Malcolm/Ryan and we finally should have a Top 50 defensive team.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 5, 2021 8:45:26 GMT -5
Assuming none of the seniors return, next year could be a major struggle. Aside from recruiting class rankings, it is pretty unrealistic to think that 4 freshmen are coming in to join with this year's freshmen, only one of whom played much, along with two still very raw posts and create a winning team. Even with Akinjo, LeBlanc and MCClung as freshmen there were struggles and that team had a very solid post in Govan as well as some other steadying hands in Mosley, Mourning, Kaleb Johnson and Malinowski. Enjoy the current uptick for as long as it lasts. Have to believe that more changes are coming for next year's roster as the new culture in college sports is for lots of transfers.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 5, 2021 8:47:53 GMT -5
This is the problem PR. Morko doesn't view himself as strictly a 3nD player. Morko views himself as mini-KD. I personally think that he is somewhere in between the two but he will still be a 5th yr Sr that demands the ball. The team will be better with Dante(soph) and Q(jr) being the focal point of the O. I believe that will make it easier for one of the freshmen to transition into the role of offensive leader. I won't include Juggy because I don't believe their in any chance of him coming back.... I understand, but it’s part of Jamorko’s maturity as a player. Accept what you are and what you are not at the next level. When he plays pro (wherever that is), he will not be asked to go 1v1 to the basket. He is too soft to handle and does not look for contact on lay-ups. For example, KD averaged 7.3 FTAs in his one season at Texas, while Jamorko averages 1.8 FTAs as a senior in almost the same amount of minutes. Pickett will be a 3&D, with the ability to drive if given the free pass to the basket. Next year, he would not be asked to carry the team. He could come back as an excellent 4th or 5th option, a perfect mismatch, just not the one who demands the ball, while still improving as a defender. From all reports, Aminu is a very good defender. Add him to Pickett, Bile and Qudus/Tim/Malcolm/Ryan and we finally should have a Top 50 defensive team. I agree with all that you said. The only reason I believe that Morko is somewhere in between is I believe he will eventually develop into a better creator. KD is an all-timer but if he had played in the BE his FTA would've been in the 4.5 range. I remember the Uncle Jeff days and the refs "let them play". The BE is still the most physical league...…...
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 5, 2021 21:02:15 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it some mo', give me my Pickett, my Blair and my Bile and I'm good. If Carey wants to play to help lead us to the NCAA's too, I'm with it! Does the board think that Patrick will urge Blair, Pickett and Bile to come back next year?
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 5, 2021 21:43:20 GMT -5
Who knows this is a weird circumstance and uncharted waters!
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Post by prhoya on Feb 5, 2021 21:59:47 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it some mo', give me my Pickett, my Blair and my Bile and I'm good. If Carey wants to play to help lead us to the NCAA's too, I'm with it! Does the board think that Patrick will urge Blair, Pickett and Bile to come back next year? Yes. As Pat said in a recent interview when answering why wasn’t he using his other freshmen: he wants to win now. The best way to win next year is with his experienced upperclassmen added to the experienced Q and D, and the recruited class. Otherwise, he would need to count on inexperienced underclassmen, with sophomores who haven’t played this season, and immediately available transfers.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 6, 2021 0:06:50 GMT -5
Letting Blair and Pickett play an extra year comes at the expense of the other players who will only get four years of eligibility. It would be interesting to see how high they could get on various all-time Hoya rankings given five years.
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Post by wsdhoya on Feb 7, 2021 23:49:49 GMT -5
Letting Blair and Pickett play an extra year comes at the expense of the other players who will only get four years of eligibility. It would be interesting to see how high they could get on various all-time Hoya rankings given five years. Other players on the roster this year will also have five years of eligibility. This is going to mess up recruiting, scholarships, and playing time across the board in college sports for a long time to come. So hard to predict a lineup for next year with all the unknowns, but I certainly hope that we can get a skilled 4 from the transfer market if Pickett leaves. Mutombo is a true 5 according to 247 and obviously so is Q. My way too early projection: If seniors leave: Harris, Aminu, Sibley, transfer, Qudus and a pretty difficult (NIT?) season If seniors return: Harris, Aminu, Blair, Pickett, Q and a pretty solid (tourney?) season with a guard heavy lineup
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