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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 16:22:53 GMT -5
If you guys don't want 13 scholarship players, lobby the NCAA to reduce it to the number you guys want. What do you guys want just 6 players on the team?
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 25, 2021 17:05:13 GMT -5
Grad transfers are a sign of program weakness because they are essentially short term fixes for bad teams. Yes, Georgetown has added a couple of good alumni (Dickerson, Allen) but on the whole it's done next to nothing to advance a program that has stalled for the last eight years. If Ewing had been more strategic he would have seen 20-21 as a mulligan and had gone all-in on the freshmen. Sibley, Clark, and Holloway would either have made their case to be significant contributors in 21-22 or not, and the outcomes would not have been much different than they have been to date. Instead, he's relied on players who won't be here next year and pushed the growth curve for the freshman back a year. He's putting bandages on the problems instead of ripping the bandages clear and letting things heal. Where 2020-21 was three veterans (Pickett, Blair, Wahab) and three grad transfers struggling against the Big East, next year could see one veteran (Wahab) and a cast of freshmen and underused sophomores trying to figure out where they stand in Ewing's game plans. That's not a ticket for the top four in the 2021-22 Big East. Given where St. John's and DePaul are headed upward next year, it may not be good enough for the top seven. Finally, coaches should never hang their collective hats on freshmen. John Thompson once told a Hoop Club banquet (back when the Hoop Club had such banquets) that "help was on the way", a reference to the nation's #5 recruit coming from St. Anthony's. Instead, Anthony Perry sits a year, hurts his wrist, and never returns to form. JT III put his hopes in the promise of Tremont Waters, and that went south in a big way. Instead of letting the 2020-21 freshmen build out a roster that Mohammed, Riley, Mutombo, et al. can grow in, another round of grad transfers sends a message that Georgetown can't retain players and is not building its program from a foundation. I don't really disagree with you that grad transfers are a band-aid solution. I do think that given the rise of them in the last several years that the talent pool is a lot better than what it used to be. It used to be that if you looked across the country there were maybe a couple of grad transfers that had more than a trivial impact, but these days a lot of top teams have rotation players who started off at another college, either grad transfers or regular transfers. The grad transfer pool is a lot deeper today than it was even like 5 or 7 years ago. But I agree, if a program is functioning optimally you really don't want to depend on it. That said, through a confluence of events that don't need rehashing, next year's team projects to most likely have 0 scholarship seniors and only 2 scholarship juniors that both play the same position. That means that our choices will be to either pull in some grad transfers or rely very heavily on freshmen and sophomores. And if you're a believer in the idea that many of the players we took in the class of 2020 were reaches that we took fliers on because of the circumstances, and the recruiting analysts were more or less correct about their talent level, then the choices are either grad transfers or true freshmen if we're serious about competing next year. In a well functioning program, you wouldn't need grad transfers, or maybe you'd grab one as "gravy" to round out an already balanced and complete roster. Unfortunately with the exodus we had out of the program last year, that's not the position we're in. Instead, we may need a "band-aid."
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Post by mdtd on Jan 25, 2021 17:13:08 GMT -5
If you guys don't want 13 scholarship players, lobby the NCAA to reduce it to the number you guys want. What do you guys want just 6 players on the team? Having 13 scholarships doesn't mean we need to play 13 guys every game
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 25, 2021 19:30:37 GMT -5
Pickett leads the league in rebounding and Blair is the fifth leading scorer. Pair them up next year in the starting lineup with Aminu, Q and Motumbo and we have a starting five ready to get us back to the NCAA tourney. Have Beard, Riley, Carey, Tim, Sibley and Harris coming off the bench to back up along with TJ and Tim and we have a deep team ready to compete. Watching Ewing try to manage a 13 player rotation will be hilarious. We will break the 2019 midseason transfer record if we try this plan out. Also this plan requires Blair to run the point. Any success next year depends on someone not named Jahvon running the team. Obviously you aren't paying attention if you want Juggy leading the offense. Dante, TJ or Tyler have to develop enough to run the O. Make a J, draw and dish and have limited TOs. We also need Q, Kobe and/or Sib to take a huge soph/jr leap in production. It's possible. I'm watching both of the Champagnie twins make the leap. Somebody needs to lock themselves in the gym and grind. Blair and Morko aren't the leaders you want. Juggy has low bball IQ and Morko will demand shots without the production.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 19:59:45 GMT -5
Watching Ewing try to manage a 13 player rotation will be hilarious. We will break the 2019 midseason transfer record if we try this plan out. Also this plan requires Blair to run the point. Any success next year depends on someone not named Jahvon running the team. Obviously you aren't paying attention if you want Juggy leading the offense. Dante, TJ or Tyler have to develop enough to run the O. Make a J, draw and dish and have limited TOs. We also need Q, Kobe and/or Sib to take a huge soph/jr leap in production. It's possible. I'm watching both of the Champagnie twins make the leap. Somebody needs to lock themselves in the gym and grind. Blair and Morko aren't the leaders you want. Juggy has low bball IQ and Morko will demand shots without the production. Look, do you want to make the NCAA tournament or not?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 20:19:06 GMT -5
Doubt he comes back but if Morko wants to come back you absolutely take him. Nobody on this team currently, or coming in, is better than him at the 4. C'mon people...
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 25, 2021 21:14:50 GMT -5
Doubt he comes back but if Morko wants to come back you absolutely take him. Nobody on this team currently, or coming in, is better than him at the 4. C'mon people... Not me. Pickett’s a wing who rebounds extremely well but is a net-negative in every other way including leadership. Sorry, but I just don’t think he has the goods. I want to see other (albeit possibly less talented wings not named Aminu) gobble up all of his minutes. As I said above, I think Blair could be our spot-up shooter, and as others have mentioned CAN NOT be our PG. I think Aminu will be our 3 and Beard and DHarris will share point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 21:25:52 GMT -5
Doubt he comes back but if Morko wants to come back you absolutely take him. Nobody on this team currently, or coming in, is better than him at the 4. C'mon people... Not me. Pickett’s a wing who rebounds extremely well but is a net-negative in every other way including leadership. Sorry, but I just don’t think he has the goods. I want to see other (albeit possibly less talented wings not named Aminu) gobble up all of his minutes. As I said above, I think Blair could be our spot-up shooter, and as others have mentioned CAN NOT be our PG. I think Aminu will be our 3 and Beard and DHarris will share point. Aminu is 6'4 or maybe 6'3 at best. He can't be a small forward, it won't work.
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 25, 2021 22:30:45 GMT -5
Not me. Pickett’s a wing who rebounds extremely well but is a net-negative in every other way including leadership. Sorry, but I just don’t think he has the goods. I want to see other (albeit possibly less talented wings not named Aminu) gobble up all of his minutes. As I said above, I think Blair could be our spot-up shooter, and as others have mentioned CAN NOT be our PG. I think Aminu will be our 3 and Beard and DHarris will share point. Aminu is 6'4 or maybe 6'3 at best. He can't be a small forward, it won't work. Mohammed and Riley could absolutely function as an interchangeable 2 and 3. They are already physically strong and that should only improve on a college strength program. Villanova starts 6'3 Gillespie, 6'4 Justin Moore, and 6'4 Caleb Daniels.
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Post by biggmanu on Jan 25, 2021 22:45:09 GMT -5
I am so ready for Pickett to be off this team. He is a gutless performer. I like Blair as he kept these past teams on life support but I’m more excited to see what Riley and Beard can do at this point.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 25, 2021 22:52:05 GMT -5
Aminu is 6'4 or maybe 6'3 at best. He can't be a small forward, it won't work. Mohammed and Riley could absolutely function as an interchangeable 2 and 3. They are already physically strong and that should only improve on a college strength program. Villanova starts 6'3 Gillespie, 6'4 Justin Moore, and 6'4 Caleb Daniels. Don’t try arguing logic 212. Aminu is built a lot like Jagan, who played a ton of 2/3 for us. What “won’t work” is asking Blair to be a PG or a bunch of potatoes (no matter what their size) to magically become impact players overnight. Beard, Aminu and Riley are players...period. You are better going small with players than going chalk with potatoes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 12:01:57 GMT -5
Like I said, Blair (the fifth leading scorer in the BE), Aminu (freshman sensation and defensive stalwart), Pickett (double digit scorer and leading rebounder in the BE), Q (top five rebounder and top five block shots in the BE) and Mutombo (Scorer from 0 - 15 feet). That's my starting five and I believe with the guys coming off the bench starting with Beard, Riley, Harris and Carey, we should be good for middle of the pack BE and a trip to the NCAA's. Plenty of experience mesh with plenty of talent equals a perfect mix for success!
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Post by drquigley on Jan 26, 2021 12:06:15 GMT -5
So what happens to Iggy and Malcolm? I really like Malcolm. Probably the most mobile big man we've had in years. And Iggy still has that NBA body. Do we red shirt Motumbo or maybe Iggy?
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 26, 2021 12:54:14 GMT -5
Also this plan requires Blair to run the point. Any success next year depends on someone not named Jahvon running the team. Obviously you aren't paying attention if you want Juggy leading the offense. Dante, TJ or Tyler have to develop enough to run the O. Make a J, draw and dish and have limited TOs. We also need Q, Kobe and/or Sib to take a huge soph/jr leap in production. It's possible. I'm watching both of the Champagnie twins make the leap. Somebody needs to lock themselves in the gym and grind. Blair and Morko aren't the leaders you want. Juggy has low bball IQ and Morko will demand shots without the production. Look, do you want to make the NCAA tournament or not? Do I want to make the tourney? LOL. So you think a team with Juggy running PG is sniffing anything but 8th seed in the BE tourney. I will hitch my wagon to one of Dante or Tyler being able to give us improved PG minutes over what we're getting this season. I don't want to see Juggy or Morko on the 21/22 team....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 10:48:46 GMT -5
If you guys don't want 13 scholarship players, lobby the NCAA to reduce it to the number you guys want. What do you guys want just 6 players on the team? Having 13 scholarships doesn't mean we need to play 13 guys every game Why not? Why do you have them on the team? You might well just recruit 6 or 7 based on you all's logic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 10:55:53 GMT -5
Look, do you want to make the NCAA tournament or not? Do I want to make the tourney? LOL. So you think a team with Juggy running PG is sniffing anything but 8th seed in the BE tourney. I will hitch my wagon to one of Dante or Tyler being able to give us improved PG minutes over what we're getting this season. I don't want to see Juggy or Morko on the 21/22 team.... Look, Blair makes a lot of mistakes and I was the first one to say that. He makes these mistakes even when he is not the primary point guard on the floor. However, no coach is going to sit down a fifth year player that is the best player on the team. Also, if you move him to shooting guard, which is his natural position, why do we have Aminu? So, you let Blair start at the point guard position just so that Aminu can play the shooting guard. After five to ten minutes, you bring in your natural point guard Tyler who will be playing the majority of the minutes at the point guard with Dante (hopefully he improves by next year) backing Tyler up. I am not saying let Blair play the point for most of the game. It would be just for the starting lineup only for about five to ten minutes. After that, you bring in Tyler Beard to run the offense. You have Blair and Aminu on the floor together in some spurts and then you alternate them at the shooting guard position for most of the game. That would be my rotation as far as the point guard and shooting guard spots goes.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 27, 2021 11:09:52 GMT -5
Do I want to make the tourney? LOL. So you think a team with Juggy running PG is sniffing anything but 8th seed in the BE tourney. I will hitch my wagon to one of Dante or Tyler being able to give us improved PG minutes over what we're getting this season. I don't want to see Juggy or Morko on the 21/22 team.... Look, Blair makes a lot of mistakes and I was the first one to say that. He makes these mistakes even when he is not the primary point guard on the floor. However, no coach is going to sit down a fifth year player that is the best player on the team. Also, if you move him to shooting guard, which is his natural position, why do we have Aminu? So, you let Blair start at the point guard position just so that Aminu can play the shooting guard. After five to ten minutes, you bring in your natural point guard Tyler who will be playing the majority of the minutes at the point guard with Dante (hopefully he improves by next year) backing Tyler up. I am not saying let Blair play the point for most of the game. It would be just for the starting lineup only for about five to ten minutes. After that, you bring in Tyler Beard to run the offense. You have Blair and Aminu on the floor together in some spurts and then you alternate them at the shooting guard position for most of the game. That would be my rotation as far as the point guard and shooting guard spots goes. If that’s fictional lineup would happen then you would be taking away what Blair does best which is being a spot up shooter and making him do what he’s worse about which is being a distributor
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 27, 2021 11:13:14 GMT -5
Having 13 scholarships doesn't mean we need to play 13 guys every game Why not? Why do you have them on the team? You might well just recruit 6 or 7 based on you all's logic. No team in the country plays 13 players you couldn’t even have a legit rotation doing that
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 27, 2021 11:19:01 GMT -5
You have 13 for practices, injuries, sickness and development. Ideally 8 to 9 guys get minutes and the other 4 or 5 are there for development in future years. I would take a four star sophomore with a year of practice in a system versus most five stars any day. It's why upsets happen and why college basketball is unique. Frankly I would recruit the guys without NBA measurables so you get three to four years out of them. T. Williams was a good example. Dug McDaniel is another. Mac & Akinjo actually fit that mold I am just not sure they realize it.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 27, 2021 11:24:53 GMT -5
Look, Blair makes a lot of mistakes and I was the first one to say that. He makes these mistakes even when he is not the primary point guard on the floor. However, no coach is going to sit down a fifth year player that is the best player on the team. Also, if you move him to shooting guard, which is his natural position, why do we have Aminu? So, you let Blair start at the point guard position just so that Aminu can play the shooting guard. After five to ten minutes, you bring in your natural point guard Tyler who will be playing the majority of the minutes at the point guard with Dante (hopefully he improves by next year) backing Tyler up. I am not saying let Blair play the point for most of the game. It would be just for the starting lineup only for about five to ten minutes. After that, you bring in Tyler Beard to run the offense. You have Blair and Aminu on the floor together in some spurts and then you alternate them at the shooting guard position for most of the game. That would be my rotation as far as the point guard and shooting guard spots goes. If that’s fictional lineup would happen then you would be taking away what Blair does best which is being a spot up shooter and making him do what he’s worse about which is being a distributor The shooting guard and small forward positions in the college game have pretty much merged into the same position. Players who are that 6'1" - 6'6", with good mobility, are pretty much all the same now and should really just be considered "wing" players. I would think a majority of colleges these days are playing 3 players at the same time who are all 6'6" and under. It works fine if you have a center and power forward who are focused and capable rebounders, and the other smaller players understand that they need to be part of good team rebounding scheme and compete for all of the longer rebounds. Playing Blair, Aminu and either Dante or Tyler together should not be an issue, especially with Aminu looking to be physically strong enough to compete with taller/stronger players. Personally I don't see Blair coming back next season. I think he will take his chances playing internationally and start earning a living with his basketball skills. I think the real conversation is if Carey returns for his last year of eligibility at Georgetown or if the 2/3 spot is really just occupied mostly by Aminu and Riley. I think both of those guys are going to be really good players in their Hoya careers, but having someone with some college experience would help.
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