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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 25, 2021 1:04:36 GMT -5
Since it is likely that we won't have any more new players next year (although things may change as we are still pursuing others apparently so this can be updated accordingly), I was curious to get people's thoughts on what our lineups and player combinations could be next year realistically (your choice if they are with or without Carey (or do both) since some people think he will graduate early to go pro and make the spot for Aminu).
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 25, 2021 6:02:01 GMT -5
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DHarris DHarris DCarey AMoh AMoh KClark JSib JSib QWahab QWahab
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 25, 2021 8:52:35 GMT -5
So many potential moving parts for every team with extra eligibility and one time transfer waivers. But as of now with some assumptions on who might or might not be back:
1: Beard 2: Mohammed 3: Riley 4: Sibley 5: Wahab. In the rotation: D. Harris, Mutombo, Clark, Billingsley, Berger.
One thing I am confident of is Jordan Riley making a big impact on next year’s team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 9:09:14 GMT -5
I'm guessing we have at least 1 - maybe 2 - starters that aren't on the roster (or committed) right now.
Mohammed & Wahab would be my only locks.
With what we have right now, on Day 1 I'd say: Harris Riley Mohammed Sibley Wahab
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Post by cthoya16 on Jan 25, 2021 10:39:48 GMT -5
Assuming Don leaves My starting lineup for day 1 would be -
Dante Riley Aminu Sibley Qudus
Dante or Tyler could go either way with the other serving as 6th man. Getting Tyler, Jordan and obviously Aminu will be such a huge boost; will be much easier for Pat to put lineup combos together with dynamic guards who can score.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 25, 2021 12:31:32 GMT -5
I'm guessing we have at least 1 - maybe 2 - starters that aren't on the roster (or committed) right now. Mohammed & Wahab would be my only locks. I found myself contemplating this topic over the weekend and I came to these exact same conclusions. - At point guard it could be Harris, Beard, an immediately eligible transfer, or another recruit who has not yet committed.
- On the wing next to Mohammed it could be Riley, Clark, Berger or a returning Don Carey.
- At the 4, it could be Sibley or Billingsley, or even a small ball 4 in Clark, or it could be an immediately eligible transfer.
Mohammed at one of the wing spots and Qudus are the only two that are virtual locks, to me. My gut is that we'll be aggressive on the grad transfer market again. I know opinions vary on how viable a strategy that is. But, at the risk of sounding callous, I think there are a lot of questions as to whether a lot of our current underclassmen are really impact players at the Big East level. We brought in 9 players in the last two classes (one of whom already transferred out), but other than Qudus I don't think any of them have shown conclusively that they're good enough to be starters on a good Big East team (ie. one that's in the top half of the conference and makes the NCAA tournament). This is not a knock on the players, most of whom are only 11 games into their careers in an extremely strange season. We all want to believe that they'll be really good if they just get some time on the court, and hopefully at least one or two of them stand out between now and the end of the year and we can pencil them in for a big role next year. But I think the scenario that we also have to be ready for is that these guys--who were mostly considered mid-major caliber by recruiting analysts--might be best suited as deeper bench options at a good high major, or maybe starters at a mid major. They might not actually be good enough to start on a good Big East team, even with more experience. If I was on our coaching staff, knowing that next year could be a make-or-break season, I don't know that I'd feel great about the current freshmen and sophomores being able to carry us to the tournament. That's why I think there's still potentially some roster movement to come this spring.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 25, 2021 13:18:11 GMT -5
My gut is that we'll be aggressive on the grad transfer market again. I know opinions vary on how viable a strategy that is. But, at the risk of sounding callous, I think there are a lot of questions as to whether a lot of our current underclassmen are really impact players at the Big East level. We brought in 9 players in the last two classes (one of whom already transferred out), but other than Qudus I don't think any of them have shown conclusively that they're good enough to be starters on a good Big East team (ie. one that's in the top half of the conference and makes the NCAA tournament). This is not a knock on the players, most of whom are only 11 games into their careers in an extremely strange season. We all want to believe that they'll be really good if they just get some time on the court, and hopefully at least one or two of them stand out between now and the end of the year and we can pencil them in for a big role next year. But I think the scenario that we also have to be ready for is that these guys--who were mostly considered mid-major caliber by recruiting analysts--might be best suited as deeper bench options at a good high major, or maybe starters at a mid major. They might not actually be good enough to start on a good Big East team, even with more experience. If I was on our coaching staff, knowing that next year could be a make-or-break season, I don't know that I'd feel great about the current freshmen and sophomores being able to carry us to the tournament. That's why I think there's still potentially some roster movement to come this spring. Grad transfers are a sign of program weakness because they are essentially short term fixes for bad teams. Yes, Georgetown has added a couple of good alumni (Dickerson, Allen) but on the whole it's done next to nothing to advance a program that has stalled for the last eight years. If Ewing had been more strategic he would have seen 20-21 as a mulligan and had gone all-in on the freshmen. Sibley, Clark, and Holloway would either have made their case to be significant contributors in 21-22 or not, and the outcomes would not have been much different than they have been to date. Instead, he's relied on players who won't be here next year and pushed the growth curve for the freshman back a year. He's putting bandages on the problems instead of ripping the bandages clear and letting things heal. Where 2020-21 was three veterans (Pickett, Blair, Wahab) and three grad transfers struggling against the Big East, next year could see one veteran (Wahab) and a cast of freshmen and underused sophomores trying to figure out where they stand in Ewing's game plans. That's not a ticket for the top four in the 2021-22 Big East. Given where St. John's and DePaul are headed upward next year, it may not be good enough for the top seven. Finally, coaches should never hang their collective hats on freshmen. John Thompson once told a Hoop Club banquet (back when the Hoop Club had such banquets) that "help was on the way", a reference to the nation's #5 recruit coming from St. Anthony's. Instead, Anthony Perry sits a year, hurts his wrist, and never returns to form. JT III put his hopes in the promise of Tremont Waters, and that went south in a big way. Instead of letting the 2020-21 freshmen build out a roster that Mohammed, Riley, Mutombo, et al. can grow in, another round of grad transfers sends a message that Georgetown can't retain players and is not building its program from a foundation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 13:28:36 GMT -5
Blair Mohammed Pickett Q Mutombo
Beard Riley Carey Tim Harris Sibley TJ Malcolm Kobe Collin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 13:43:01 GMT -5
After Next Year:
Lineups:
Beard Mohammed Riley Mutombo Q
Sibley Harris Tim TJ Malcolm Kobe Collin
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Post by hoyaduck on Jan 25, 2021 14:10:08 GMT -5
Grad transfers are a sign of program weakness because they are essentially short term fixes for bad teams. I have to disagree on this. I think transfers (including grad transfers) play a vital part in roster reconstruction each year, especially with how the NCAA rules are shifting. While it is nice to recruit and retain players, the college basketball landscape is changing in such a way that there is a bigger onus on coaches to reshape rosters each year.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 25, 2021 14:12:52 GMT -5
Starters and bench (by anticipated MPG). IMO, this is the best chance to be successful roster. I think Pickett moves on, and I think it would be a huge mistake to choose one of the guys who has demonstrated very little over returning Blair or Carey. Let's put it this way, Nos. 12 through 15 on this list absolutely won't be better than Blair or Carey next year. And if we don't recruit well enough to make them even longer shots moving forward, then we have much, much bigger problems than the bottom of our bench.
Beard Blair Mohammed Riley Wahab
DHarris Carey Mutombo Sibley IG Billingsley Berger Kobe Wilson Holloway
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 25, 2021 14:36:12 GMT -5
Starters and bench (by anticipated MPG). IMO, this is the best chance to be successful roster. I think Pickett moves on, and I think it would be a huge mistake to choose one of the guys who has demonstrated very little over returning Blair or Carey. Let's put it this way, Nos. 12 through 15 on this list absolutely won't be better than Blair or Carey next year. And if we don't recruit well enough to make them even longer shots moving forward, then we have much, much bigger problems than the bottom of our bench. Beard Blair Mohammed Riley Wahab DHarris Carey Mutombo Sibley IG Billingsley Berger Kobe Wilson Holloway Did I miss something? Why would we assume Blair being back but not Pickett? Blair probably has done enough to pop up overseas while so far Pickett, short of measurables, might not get a run at the Y.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 25, 2021 15:14:24 GMT -5
I agree that Morko has been extremely poor. Given wings that we have coming in (Riley and Aminu), I don't think there's a spot for Pickett that doesn't hold back Aminu. On the other hand, I think Blair really helps Aminu (who can play 2 or 3 in college), and a year with Aminu and Beard where Blair gets to go back to being a pure catch-and-shoot guy might really help Blair's overseas stock. He's really miscast this year trying to handle, create and score. He becomes a much better version of Carey next year. Aminu plays the three with Beard and Dante rotating at 1 and Riley, Sibs and Billingsley at 3\4 and Q at 5. You are smaller but more athletic and also feature more shooters. Instead of saying "Pickett moves on," I probably should have said "Pickett is asked to move on." I'd probably urge Carey to leave as well if Von comes back.
Long story, I agree with you Zeke. I think Blair definitely makes us better next year if you can convince him to come back as veteran gunner. I think Pickett gets in the way of slasher\shooter wings you want to develop in Aminu and Riley. I don't think he makes you better. And I don't think you want him to come back.
If Pickett were having a great season I might feel differently. Then I might say let Pickett slide to the 4 and rebound, defend and drop triples. But his combo of shockingly bad shooting this season, and alpha antics on social media aren't what we need imo. The young stars are coming next year, and while Q and hopefully Blair will complement them, we don't need anyone's ego getting in way of young bulls.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 25, 2021 15:29:13 GMT -5
Grad transfers are a sign of program weakness because they are essentially short term fixes for bad teams. I have to disagree on this. I think transfers (including grad transfers) play a vital part in roster reconstruction each year, especially with how the NCAA rules are shifting. While it is nice to recruit and retain players, the college basketball landscape is changing in such a way that there is a bigger onus on coaches to reshape rosters each year. I feel like the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Yes, given potential early NBA departures (at some point in the future hopefully) and transfers from your school being more common, it's inevitable that you'll need to use the transfer market to fill in the gaps and round out your rotation because you can't be prepared for every iteration of player movement. That being said, if you go into the offseason consistently needing to fill a starting spot with a transfer year after year, that's a sign your program is probably in a little trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 15:50:39 GMT -5
Pickett leads the league in rebounding and Blair is the fifth leading scorer. Pair them up next year in the starting lineup with Aminu, Q and Motumbo and we have a starting five ready to get us back to the NCAA tourney. Have Beard, Riley, Carey, Tim, Sibley and Harris coming off the bench to back up along with TJ and Tim and we have a deep team ready to compete.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 25, 2021 16:07:19 GMT -5
Pickett leads the league in rebounding and Blair is the fifth leading scorer. Pair them up next year in the starting lineup with Aminu, Q and Motumbo and we have a starting five ready to get us back to the NCAA tourney. Have Beard, Riley, Carey, Tim, Sibley and Harris coming off the bench to back up along with TJ and Tim and we have a deep team ready to compete. This statement is from a fan's perspective (obviously it's a message board i get it) and not whether it would benefit Pickett, Blair, or Carey to return as opposed to moving onto the next chapter in their lives. Not to mention someone like Blair might actually have a market to transfer to a higher profile team. Also 13 person rotations sound great for a video game and are not realistic. And your starting lineup doesn't have a point guard and instead has 2 non-shooting centers. Other than that I think we're in agreement
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 16:13:44 GMT -5
Pickett leads the league in rebounding and Blair is the fifth leading scorer. Pair them up next year in the starting lineup with Aminu, Q and Motumbo and we have a starting five ready to get us back to the NCAA tourney. Have Beard, Riley, Carey, Tim, Sibley and Harris coming off the bench to back up along with TJ and Tim and we have a deep team ready to compete. This statement is from a fan's perspective (obviously it's a message board i get it) and not whether it would benefit Pickett, Blair, or Carey to return as opposed to moving onto the next chapter in their lives. Not to mention someone like Blair might actually have a market to transfer to a higher profile team. Also 13 person rotations sound great for a video game and are not realistic. And your starting lineup doesn't have a point guard and instead has 2 non-shooting centers. Other than that I think we're in agreement Even though he's not a real point guard, Blair is the point guard in my starting lineup. Also, Beard is the first guy to come off the bench ( a true point guard at least I am hoping so). What do you mean by non shooting centers??? Mutombo is good from 15 feet out plus he bangs inside so he's going to give us plenty of high percentage shots. Q, is the fourth leading shooter in regards to field goal percentage in the Big East. So what do you mean by non shooting centers??? Also, Mutombo has to start next year next to Q as the power forward and then when Q leaves, he moves over to the center position. We need him to get his baptism early so that he has plenty of experience going into his second and third year when we have no Q.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 25, 2021 16:16:16 GMT -5
Pickett leads the league in rebounding and Blair is the fifth leading scorer. Pair them up next year in the starting lineup with Aminu, Q and Motumbo and we have a starting five ready to get us back to the NCAA tourney. Have Beard, Riley, Carey, Tim, Sibley and Harris coming off the bench to back up along with TJ and Tim and we have a deep team ready to compete. Watching Ewing try to manage a 13 player rotation will be hilarious. We will break the 2019 midseason transfer record if we try this plan out.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 25, 2021 16:21:35 GMT -5
This statement is from a fan's perspective (obviously it's a message board i get it) and not whether it would benefit Pickett, Blair, or Carey to return as opposed to moving onto the next chapter in their lives. Not to mention someone like Blair might actually have a market to transfer to a higher profile team. Also 13 person rotations sound great for a video game and are not realistic. And your starting lineup doesn't have a point guard and instead has 2 non-shooting centers. Other than that I think we're in agreement Even though he's not a real point guard, Blair is the point guard in my starting lineup. Also, Beard is the first guy to come off the bench ( a true point guard at least I am hoping so). What do you mean by non shooting centers??? Mutombo is good from 15 feet out plus he bangs inside so he's going to give us plenty of high percentage shots. Q, is the fourth leading shooter in regards to field goal percentage in the Big East. So what do you mean by non shooting centers??? Also, Mutombo has to start next year next to Q as the power forward and then when Q leaves, he moves over to the center position. We need him to get his baptism early so that he has plenty of experience going into his second and third year when we have no Q. By shooting I mean the ability to hit a shot outside the paint. Ryan might be good out to 15 feet in HS but if our offense is built around long 2s for Mutombo then we're already done. I know you disagree on this point but it will be extremely difficult for an offense to survive with 2 non 3pt shooters on the floor. I won't rehash everything that was already argued in a ton of other threads, mainly the Twin Tower thread. But Ewing has had ample opportunity, over multiple seasons, to put either Q / Yurt7 together or Q/ Tim together and has failed to do so. Suggesting that we're going to do that with Mutombo and Q isn't realistic. Happy to be proven wrong though so we'll see.
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Post by hoyaduck on Jan 25, 2021 16:22:22 GMT -5
I have to disagree on this. I think transfers (including grad transfers) play a vital part in roster reconstruction each year, especially with how the NCAA rules are shifting. While it is nice to recruit and retain players, the college basketball landscape is changing in such a way that there is a bigger onus on coaches to reshape rosters each year. I feel like the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Yes, given potential early NBA departures (at some point in the future hopefully) and transfers from your school being more common, it's inevitable that you'll need to use the transfer market to fill in the gaps and round out your rotation because you can't be prepared for every iteration of player movement. That being said, if you go into the offseason consistently needing to fill a starting spot with a transfer year after year, that's a sign your program is probably in a little trouble. I think you're right that the answer is somewhere in the middle. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with filling a starting spot each year with a transfer. But that's probably just because I've seen Dana Altman do it successfully every year.
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