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Post by prhoya on Jun 24, 2021 8:50:36 GMT -5
Sodom: coach could’ve let him slide on getting arrested for being belligerent at the Chinese disco (like they do at most schools) Campbell: who are you even referring to? Tre? Really? Walker: coach could’ve let fighting fellow student athletes slide (like they do at most schools) Carter: we recruited over him (aka could’ve kept him if we wanted) LeBlanc: could’ve let a non-event actually be a non-event. Agree to disagree if you still can’t interpret the evidence for what it is. Also, his preseason suspension was in regards to weed and paraphernalia being found in his room, that’s what started off the season on a sour note. Most other coaches wouldn’t bench a starter for smoking... McMclung: he left mainly because of the injury mishandling, but from a basketball standpoint because he kept getting yanked (aka coached) for his mistakes in game. Ewing could’ve just played him with the same leash he used for Akinjo if he wanted him to stay. He didn’t because Mac had worse habits to break and repair. Akinjo: see him blowing off the teams offensive game plan multiple times. Ewing could’ve let that continue like a lot of other coaches do. Gardner & Alexander: left because of GU campus/administrative reasons and not basketball reasons. They don’t belong in this discussion. They had no choice but to transfer. To spell it out super clearly, their departures are not a reflection on Ewing’s inability to retain talent (which is what this discussion is about). Wahab: his handler took under the table benefits. Ewing could’ve kept him if he offered the same, like a lot of coaches do. Either way, Ewing recruited depth at the position and depending on how Ryan plays this year Wahab was effectively not prioritized. Sibley: was recruited over. Berger: also recruited over. Checkmate Not done. Let’s see what the quoted poster answers first.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 24, 2021 9:28:37 GMT -5
Not done. Let’s see what the quoted poster answers first. Whatever the response will be, the point responded to is null and void. Hence, “checkmate”, not “check”.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 24, 2021 9:45:24 GMT -5
Keeping kids here? Stop acting as though we don't know why kids left. The same people who are complaining about kids leaving would be the same people who would be complaining about accountability. Coach Ewing could have kept them all, well most, if he let them do what they wanted. He has been accountable and holding up the high standards many of you poke out your chest about and for doing so, many complain about players leaving.. A very good perspective and probably one that most of us never even thought about. I know I hadn't. Unless Omega is an insider, I am not sure how he/she or anybody else on here could possibly say this with any certainty. We have no idea what the internal dynamics were, and in most cases we are only speculating, at best, on why each player left. It might make for a fun discussion, but talking as though we know facts about the departures is a stretch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 10:14:00 GMT -5
A very good perspective and probably one that most of us never even thought about. I know I hadn't. Unless Omega is an insider, I am not sure how he/she or anybody else on here could possibly say this with any certainty. We have no idea what the internal dynamics were, and in most cases we are only speculating, at best, on why each player left. It might make for a fun discussion, but talking as though we know facts about the departures is a stretch. But isn't it the same when you try to imply it is Ewing fault when players transfer? Some on here blatanly say it is Ewing fault meaning they don't even imply it. Yet they don't know what is going on between player, coach and the program. Bottom line is a coach wants to keep his players on the team especially when they are contributing to the program. A coach isn’t going to run his players away into the hands of another program. Does that make sense to you? Okay then why do you keep implying it is Ewing fault for why players transfer?
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 24, 2021 11:10:49 GMT -5
A very good perspective and probably one that most of us never even thought about. I know I hadn't. Unless Omega is an insider, I am not sure how he/she or anybody else on here could possibly say this with any certainty. We have no idea what the internal dynamics were, and in most cases we are only speculating, at best, on why each player left. It might make for a fun discussion, but talking as though we know facts about the departures is a stretch. You might be projecting, speak for yourself. Just because you don’t know doesn’t mean others on this board don’t. Just because you’re speculating doesn’t mean Omega is...yes some of this information isn’t public but there are still channels to get info from those around the program. For example, I don’t really read headlines and articles (I’ve always valued primary sources). My above post is purely information I got from various folks in and around the program. Choose not to believe it, that’s your right. But you’re adding nothing to the discussion and you yourself have admitted you don’t have access. Is it just to be contrarian?
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 24, 2021 11:47:36 GMT -5
Unless Omega is an insider, I am not sure how he/she or anybody else on here could possibly say this with any certainty. We have no idea what the internal dynamics were, and in most cases we are only speculating, at best, on why each player left. It might make for a fun discussion, but talking as though we know facts about the departures is a stretch. Wrong. You’re projecting, speak for yourself. Just because you don’t know doesn’t mean others on this board don’t. Just because you’re speculating doesn’t mean Omega is...yes some of this information isn’t public but there are still channels to get info from those around the program. For example, I don’t really read headlines and articles (I’ve always valued primary sources). My above post is purely information I got from various folks in and around the program. Choose not to believe it, that’s your right. But you’re adding nothing to the discussion and you yourself have admitted you don’t have access. Is it just to be contrarian? Ok Rock, who did Twan fight? My money is on JA but my money would always be on JA in a "someone fought a teammate" thread.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 24, 2021 12:18:58 GMT -5
Wrong. You’re projecting, speak for yourself. Just because you don’t know doesn’t mean others on this board don’t. Just because you’re speculating doesn’t mean Omega is...yes some of this information isn’t public but there are still channels to get info from those around the program. For example, I don’t really read headlines and articles (I’ve always valued primary sources). My above post is purely information I got from various folks in and around the program. Choose not to believe it, that’s your right. But you’re adding nothing to the discussion and you yourself have admitted you don’t have access. Is it just to be contrarian? Ok Rock, who did Twan fight? My money is on JA but my money would always be on JA in a "someone fought a teammate" thread. It was more than one incident with members of other GU sports teams (really didn’t care to ask which), not his teammates. My bad if that was unclear.
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Post by BigmanU on Jun 24, 2021 12:59:42 GMT -5
I thought this was the Aminu thread?
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Post by prhoya on Jun 24, 2021 13:13:39 GMT -5
Not done. Let’s see what the quoted poster answers first. Whatever the response will be, the point responded to is null and void. Hence, “checkmate”, not “check”. Is that what your decades of playing chess tell you?
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Post by guru on Jun 24, 2021 13:34:33 GMT -5
Unless Omega is an insider, I am not sure how he/she or anybody else on here could possibly say this with any certainty. We have no idea what the internal dynamics were, and in most cases we are only speculating, at best, on why each player left. It might make for a fun discussion, but talking as though we know facts about the departures is a stretch. But isn't it the same when you try to imply it is Ewing fault when players transfer? Some on here blatanly say it is Ewing fault meaning they don't even imply it. Yet they don't know what is going on between player, coach and the program. Bottom line is a coach wants to keep his players on the team especially when they are contributing to the program. A coach isn’t going to run his players away into the hands of another program. Does that make sense to you? Okay then why do you keep implying it is Ewing fault for why players transfer? Keep in mind that you're responding to the same poster who will delineate, ad nauseam, exactly why each one in our string of horrendously humiliating NCAA tournament (and non-NCAA tournament) losses under JT3 was the result of cataclysmic "bad luck", but regularly implies that the blame for the string of transfers out of the program under Ewing must broadly fall at the feet of the head coach. Makes you wonder
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 24, 2021 13:41:33 GMT -5
Whatever the response will be, the point responded to is null and void. Hence, “checkmate”, not “check”. Is that what your decades of playing chess tell you? What? Is that an attempt to sound clever?
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 24, 2021 13:53:19 GMT -5
You wrote, “Coach Ewing could have kept them all, well most, if he let them do what they wanted.” Other than Derrickson, Yurtseven and Bile, who left early for a shot at pro ball, and Jalen Harris, who is M.I.A., these are the players who left the program early under Coach Ewing: Sodom Campbell Walker Carter Leblanc McClung Akinjo Gardner Wahab Alexander Sibley Berger What did each of these players want to do that Coach Ewing did not let them do? In your opinion, how could Coach Ewing have kept them? Sodom: coach could’ve let him slide on getting arrested for being belligerent at the Chinese disco (like they do at most schools) Campbell: who are you even referring to? Tre? Really? Walker: coach could’ve let fighting fellow student athletes slide (like they do at most schools) Carter: we recruited over him (aka could’ve kept him if we wanted) LeBlanc: could’ve let a non-event actually be a non-event. Agree to disagree if you still can’t interpret the evidence for what it is. Also, his preseason suspension was in regards to weed and paraphernalia being found in his room, that’s what started off the season on a sour note. Most other coaches wouldn’t bench a starter for smoking... McMclung: he left mainly because of the injury mishandling, but from a basketball standpoint because he kept getting yanked (aka coached) for his mistakes in game. Ewing could’ve just played him with the same leash he used for Akinjo if he wanted him to stay. He didn’t because Mac had worse habits to break and repair. Akinjo: see him blowing off the teams offensive game plan multiple times. Ewing could’ve let that continue like a lot of other coaches do. Gardner & Alexander: left because of GU campus/administrative reasons and not basketball reasons. They don’t belong in this discussion. They had no choice but to transfer. To spell it out super clearly, their departures are not a reflection on Ewing’s inability to retain talent (which is what this discussion is about). Wahab: his handler took under the table benefits. Ewing could’ve kept him if he offered the same, like a lot of coaches do. Either way, Ewing recruited depth at the position and depending on how Ryan plays this year Wahab was effectively not prioritized. Sibley: was recruited over. Berger: also recruited over. Can’t tell if you are serious are joking. You forgot to mention, we could just kept the family on the payroll (like they do at most schools). Some culture you are building!!
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Post by prhoya on Jun 24, 2021 14:23:30 GMT -5
Is that what your decades of playing chess tell you? What? Is that an attempt to sound clever? You know what it is. May I remind you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 14:35:43 GMT -5
But isn't it the same when you try to imply it is Ewing fault when players transfer? Some on here blatanly say it is Ewing fault meaning they don't even imply it. Yet they don't know what is going on between player, coach and the program. Bottom line is a coach wants to keep his players on the team especially when they are contributing to the program. A coach isn’t going to run his players away into the hands of another program. Does that make sense to you? Okay then why do you keep implying it is Ewing fault for why players transfer? Keep in mind that you're responding to the same poster who will delineate, ad nauseam, exactly why each one in our string of horrendously humiliating NCAA tournament (and non-NCAA tournament) losses under JT3 was the result of cataclysmic "bad luck", but regularly implies that the blame for the string of transfers out of the program under Ewing must broadly fall at the feet of the head coach. Makes you wonder Incredible!
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 24, 2021 19:29:52 GMT -5
Sodom: coach could’ve let him slide on getting arrested for being belligerent at the Chinese disco (like they do at most schools) Campbell: who are you even referring to? Tre? Really? Walker: coach could’ve let fighting fellow student athletes slide (like they do at most schools) Carter: we recruited over him (aka could’ve kept him if we wanted) LeBlanc: could’ve let a non-event actually be a non-event. Agree to disagree if you still can’t interpret the evidence for what it is. Also, his preseason suspension was in regards to weed and paraphernalia being found in his room, that’s what started off the season on a sour note. Most other coaches wouldn’t bench a starter for smoking... McMclung: he left mainly because of the injury mishandling, but from a basketball standpoint because he kept getting yanked (aka coached) for his mistakes in game. Ewing could’ve just played him with the same leash he used for Akinjo if he wanted him to stay. He didn’t because Mac had worse habits to break and repair. Akinjo: see him blowing off the teams offensive game plan multiple times. Ewing could’ve let that continue like a lot of other coaches do. Gardner & Alexander: left because of GU campus/administrative reasons and not basketball reasons. They don’t belong in this discussion. They had no choice but to transfer. To spell it out super clearly, their departures are not a reflection on Ewing’s inability to retain talent (which is what this discussion is about). Wahab: his handler took under the table benefits. Ewing could’ve kept him if he offered the same, like a lot of coaches do. Either way, Ewing recruited depth at the position and depending on how Ryan plays this year Wahab was effectively not prioritized. Sibley: was recruited over. Berger: also recruited over. Can’t tell if you are serious are joking. You forgot to mention, we could just kept the family on the payroll (like they do at most schools). Some culture you are building!! Maybe if you followed the discussion and actually read the posts you quote you’d be able to tell.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 24, 2021 19:30:55 GMT -5
What? Is that an attempt to sound clever? You know what it is. May I remind you? Have no clue what you’re talking about but don’t bother. We were talking about the team but it seems you’ve grown tired of it. Not here to get into tit for tat with obsessive strangers.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 24, 2021 19:59:33 GMT -5
You know what it is. May I remind you? Have no clue what you’re talking about but don’t bother. We were talking about the team but it seems you’ve grown tired of it. Not here to get into tit for tat with obsessive strangers. Really? I was referring to the last time you left HT and erased your posts. Again, I’ll address your post when the quoted poster answers my post. But, since this is the “Welcome to DC Aminu” thread and this has nothing to do with Aminu, I suggest that the Mods remove this line of posts from this thead and put them in the “Program Approach” or the “current state” thread.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 24, 2021 22:44:33 GMT -5
Keep in mind that you're responding to the same poster who will delineate, ad nauseam, exactly why each one in our string of horrendously humiliating NCAA tournament (and non-NCAA tournament) losses under JT3 was the result of cataclysmic "bad luck", but regularly implies that the blame for the string of transfers out of the program under Ewing must broadly fall at the feet of the head coach. Makes you wonder Incredible! Incredible, if only it were true. JT3 was responsible for the program, which included the NCAA losses as well as all the NCAA appearances, high seeds, Final Four, etc. Ewing is responsible for the program too, including the BET win this year, which was awesome, but also the transfers and also the team's performance otherwise. This isn't hard. And, I am not "regularly implying it." I am saying it directly. I do think Ewing should have responsibility for the transfers (and for the record, my main concern isn't guys like Berger or Carter, which on its own would be understandable, but rather the flight of top talent). I am not hiding the opinion that I think the transfers of our best talent and starters are a bad thing. At some base level, a coach needs to have responsibility for their program. But, others would have you think everything that is positive lies at the feet of the coach, and all the negative is on the players or other factors. Anyway, this has nothing to do with Aminu, so I am going to stop this discussion on this thread. But, to bring it back full circle, I think it's awesome that Ewing recruited and brought in Aminu, and I am excited to watch him play.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2021 9:06:00 GMT -5
Have no clue what you’re talking about but don’t bother. We were talking about the team but it seems you’ve grown tired of it. Not here to get into tit for tat with obsessive strangers. Really? I was referring to the last time you left HT and erased your posts. Again, I’ll address your post when the quoted poster answers my post. But, since this is the “Welcome to DC Aminu” thread and this has nothing to do with Aminu, I suggest that the Mods remove this line of posts from this thead and put them in the “Program Approach” or the “current state” thread. You’re still not making any sense? Are you referring to the time some curmudgeon didn’t understand the difference between singular and plural nouns? Was that you? Anyway, I guess you refuse to talk basketball. We’re all talking basketball but feel free to sit this one out of the conversation doesn’t suit your agenda. Instead of that whack suggestion, next time just don’t derail the conversation (just because you were proven wrong). Real simple smh.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 25, 2021 9:28:44 GMT -5
Really? I was referring to the last time you left HT and erased your posts. Again, I’ll address your post when the quoted poster answers my post. But, since this is the “Welcome to DC Aminu” thread and this has nothing to do with Aminu, I suggest that the Mods remove this line of posts from this thead and put them in the “Program Approach” or the “current state” thread. You’re still not making any sense? Are you referring to the time some curmudgeon didn’t understand the difference between singular and plural nouns? Was that you? Feel free to dredge up whatever post again since you sound so miserable, I’m happy to spell out why you’re wrong haha. Anyway, I guess you refuse to talk basketball. We’re all talking basketball but feel free to sit this one out of the conversation doesn’t suit your agenda. Instead of that whack suggestion, next time just don’t derail the conversation (just because you were proven wrong). Real simple smh. No, I was referring to the time you wrote you had “decades of basketball knowledge”, but were outed by your own profile, which revealed you were only 27 years-old (birth date: March 1, 1993). Then, you erased your profile and your posts from last December back to October. Btw, those posts are still around. You haven’t proven anyone wrong here. My suggestion still stands.
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