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Post by Healy on Dec 1, 2020 20:15:58 GMT -5
Brutal
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 1, 2020 20:16:20 GMT -5
We’ve played worse games but they were generally situations where we came out flat, played down to our competition and/or just played poorly. This is different. I think we played an ok game for this team. And that is scary. hm agree with this. Agree with this as well. They kept commenting that we were the better team talent wise and honestly though we have more guys that look the part, they definitely don’t play like it.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 1, 2020 20:17:42 GMT -5
Hulu feed for CBSSN cut out at the 3:32 TO that came way too little too late, but even at that point the outcome was no longer in doubt.
Embarrassing loss. Reminiscent of that Arkansas State game that started to make you think "not so sure how many more of these type of outcomes JT3 can survive." We had a crazy rebounding advantage of UMBC that essentially was the only way we pulled out that first game, but once that went away you can see right away where we stand even against the mid/low majors. Our effort level on the glass across the board wasn't nearly good enough all night.
For the "we'll be OK when we get Bile back" crowd, just no. He's a fluid athlete, but with no discernable skill or high-level basketball IQ that would make you believe he'll be a consistent contributor. Completely lost defensively a few times and the only things that come to mind for him on the offensive end are out-of-control and a little bit selfish. Not good. For us to lean on him so heavily coming down the stretch especially when we needed rebounding and defense in the worst way was questionable, especially considering Clark's performance in the opener.
I didn't think Q or Tim played particularly well at the defensive end today. They altered a few shots, but Navy got a ton more easy looks and second chance opportunities inside than I ever thought they would. Q picked it up offensively in the second half, but clearing out an entire side of the court for him to iso 1-on-1 with a defender isn't a long term strategy for success. Need to keep a shooter on his side and for Q to understand that he has to kick it out when the situation dictates that he should.
Still extremely nervous anytime Carey is forced to put the ball on the deck. As a set shooter with an open look, sure. But when he has to drive to create for himself or someone else, it usually ends badly for us.
We miss Terrell Allen badly.
Defensively, we're still giving up way too many open perimeter looks. We lucked out that UMBC didn't have a single guy who could make us pay. Unfortunately, Navy did. Considering we'll be facing much better perimeter shooting teams than Navy... it's tough to see how this will work out. The press predictably came out when we fell behind, but outside of maybe 1 forced TO, wasn't much of a factor. All offseason we were told that an improvement in athleticism and more bodies would be the cures to what ailed our defense last year. I don't buy that.
I'd like to say I was encouraged by Pickett shooting the ball a little bit better (aside from that one pull-up 3), but it's hard to take away any positives from tonight. At this point, I'm not even sure what can be corrected between now and Sunday to make that game competitive.
Lastly, we need to stop it with the COVID excuses. Yes, it's a challenge we are facing, but we are not the only team that has been impacted by limitations/inabilities to practice, hasn't had time to allow for new players to gel, etc. It's on this staff to do better than they have done so far. Period.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 1, 2020 20:21:50 GMT -5
Playing like that we will be lucky to win 10 games. I do not see any scenario where we get rid of Ewing after this season but come on. 10 wins? We will be lucky to get 5 wins. We are way, way worse than any other big east team. Maybe we can stay on the floor with DePaul. Everyone else - guaranteed double digit losses across the board (and some much, much worse) The talent is not there. With better coaching and effort - I'm still not sure we win this game. Navy was clearly the better team. This is a comprehensive situation, talent + coaching. I won't be at all surprised if Coppin State is the only other game we win this year. We will be clear underdogs in every other game. If we only win 2 or 3 games, Ewing will probably still survive because he is Ewing. But I think if we don't have a good season next year (maybe .500 plus will be enough, maybe NIT/NCAA will be the standard), even Ewing won't be able to survive. It will be interesting (terrifying?) to see if our incoming class all hold to their commitments if we have a 2 or 3 win season. At least this season we won't have the embarrassment of 2,000 person crowds at Cap One, because those are the kind of attendance numbers we would be getting by mid-january if fans were allowed to attend games. I hate to be so negative. But we lost basically the entire planned starting lineup for this season to the transfers. Then the three best remaining players graduated/went pro. Maybe a great coach could find a way to put a competitive team on the court the following season. But Ewing was never going to be able to pull a decent team out for this year. Even the most optimistic projections of his coaching ability would not put him at the level needed to salvage this season. I think all we can watch for moving forward is effort and sound play - both of which were disturbingly absent today. Wins are not going to be part of the equation this year. The only sliver of optimism - we started practice much later than most teams. maybe there is the possibility of significant improvement over time due to the team getting much more practice time. But even then - the talent just is not there.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 1, 2020 20:23:10 GMT -5
We need better spacing of the floor and more patience--better chemistry. Play fast but don't rush (Something like that from John Wooden) Getting killed by that guard was not good. He made many shots with a hand in his face. I like Dante at pg!
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 1, 2020 20:26:10 GMT -5
We need better spacing of the floor and more patience. Play fast but don't rush (Something like that from John Wooden) Getting killed by that guard was not good. He made many shots with a hand in his face. I like Dante a pg! "Be quick but don't hurry" is the quote.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 1, 2020 20:28:05 GMT -5
Very disappointed. Not like we were making the tournament anyway but we gotta win the games we should. Need to rewatch but lots of disappointment all around. Need to rewatch? Are you also into self-flagellation? This was hard enough to watch once, and I’m not enough of a masochist to watch it again. Haha you're right but it's hard to concentrate when watching these CBSSN games in a bar.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Dec 1, 2020 20:28:15 GMT -5
When's rock bottom hit?
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 1, 2020 20:31:03 GMT -5
I’m not sure you can say we’ve hit it 2 games into the season but it’s certainly shaping up that way if we don’t find a way to get better in a hurry.
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 1, 2020 20:39:53 GMT -5
We need better spacing of the floor and more patience--better chemistry. Play fast but don't rush (Something like that from John Wooden) Getting killed by that guard was not good. He made many shots with a hand in his face. I like Dante at pg! You have got to be kidding? Dante Harris was by far the worst player on the floor for either team at any time tonight. He’s completely out of control, a marginal passer and missed all of his triples with nobody in the same area code defending him. He might be a great kid, but the 7-8 minute stretch starting at about 14 min with DHarris and Bile in game together completely killed the Hoyas tonight.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 1, 2020 20:41:57 GMT -5
I don't share your opinion! There were a lot of missed shots tonight and poor defense!
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Dec 1, 2020 20:43:46 GMT -5
Big guys throw the ball up in what they hope is the vicinity of the basket and hope it drops in. That is not shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 20:45:00 GMT -5
I think we lost the game when we were up like something like 7 or 8 points in the second half and Blair came down and shot a quick three which obviously he didn't make. The Midshipmen got the ball and scored quickly on a break. The next play, Harris comes down the court and shoots the ball quickly. He shot a three ball that didn't hit anything and the Midshipmen again scored quickly cutting the lead to like 2 points. Next thing you know, the Hoyas go on a drought and the Midshipmen take a five point lead. After that, the Hoyas couldn't get back into the game.
Another thing I noticed was Wahab was letting Cam get deep into the lane after Cam would came off the screen. This guard penetration really broke down our defense and made it very difficult for Harris to keep Cam in front of him.
Georgetown really needs to consider harassing opposing guards before the opposing guards get into the flow of their team's offense. Maybe they can institute half court trap defense and full court press to get the ball out of the opposing point guard's hands.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 1, 2020 20:45:14 GMT -5
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 1, 2020 20:45:42 GMT -5
We just aren't that talented. It's been the same story for years. Every time we land a recruit, we hear the same "Staff is killing it on the trail, putting in the work". All I see is marginal prospects that the big time programs aren't beating down the door for.
You can cover up a lot of weaknesses with some strong lead guard playing. Ewing needs to camp outside some stud PG's house until he commits. These under the radar types are not changing the trajectory of the program.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 1, 2020 20:46:14 GMT -5
Putting aside the obvious, Navy played really well. Shot 60 percent in the second half and never got frazzled midway in the half when the Hoyas were settling in to dropping the ball down low. Cam Davis is a solid player and a solid student as well, as evidenced by the Defense Department offering him a grad year at MIT. With an extra year of eligibility in 21-22, he could absolutely tear up the Division III ranks while studying engineering.
Blair and Pickett played to their potential--they were never going to carry a team. Wahab should have been in more touches but he lacks confidence down low and Tim Ighoefe looked like a more muscular version of Jameel Watkins out there. Navy waited for the middle to open up and stuck it every time.
The front page box score is glaring in one respect: one point from the bench a free throw from Chudier Bile. That's 0 for 11, and the Jamari Sibley watch continues.
The problem is apparent for Sunday--Oscar Tshiebwe is a big time talent and he will crush Georgetown if Wahab and Ighoefe play like this Sunday. Without an inside game, you're relying on Blair and Pickett from outside to carry the day and they combined for 5 for 19 tonight.
The best thing for Ewing was no crowd at McDonough tonight. Those who recall a bad loss to Arkansas State at McDonough in 16-17 was met with some audible dissatisfaction against JT III which the press picked up on and followed all season. None of that tonight, or Sunday for that matter. Since the Hoyas lasted hosted WVU at McDonough, they are 1-3 in the building.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 1, 2020 20:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 1, 2020 20:49:29 GMT -5
I don't share your opinion! There were a lot of missed shots tonight and poor defense! JHarris 12 pts, 7asts, 1 TO DHarris 0 pts, 0 asts, 0-3 FG Don’t really know that my opinion is all that subjective in this case. Dante might end up being fine or even good. But he’s a frosh. And tonight he played like one, and he was allowed to play like one for an extended period while a guy who played 4 yrs of hoops at Arkansas sat and watched while our chance to knockout Navy turned into a dogfight.
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Post by the_way on Dec 1, 2020 20:55:55 GMT -5
Rock bottom was last year with all of the departures and turmoil. You are now seeing the aftermath. Blair,Pickett, and Q are solid role, support type players. Go-to-guys to carry a team on a consistent basis in the Big East? Remains to be seen. This year is pretty much a wash, unless something drastically changes. Ewing has to recruit AND figure out how to coach defense. Next year's class better be legit and he needs to hire a d-coordinator as an assistant.
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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 1, 2020 20:58:53 GMT -5
We need better spacing of the floor and more patience--better chemistry. Play fast but don't rush (Something like that from John Wooden) Getting killed by that guard was not good. He made many shots with a hand in his face. I like Dante at pg! You have got to be kidding? Dante Harris was by far the worst player on the floor for either team at any time tonight. He’s completely out of control, a marginal passer and missed all of his triples with nobody in the same area code defending him. He might be a great kid, but the 7-8 minute stretch starting at about 14 min with DHarris and Bile in game together completely killed the Hoyas tonight. Do you mean J Harris? The one with the headband was D Harris who actually played good defense, easily the best on the team. Unsure why he didn’t play at all in the second half...
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