drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 26, 2020 18:54:09 GMT -5
I said earlier this year that what I'm looking for isn't wins (although a bunch would be nice) but no drama this year. Sitting Sibley is not a good sign. Is Ewing expecting too much from his players? He can't afford to lose his top recruit again this year. Not just because it hurts chances of winning but because it says something not very good about his recruiting and coaching ability. Or are all of the players equally excepting the same things from themselves? It seems 11 other guys were able to suit up yesterday. Was Ewing not strict with them but strict with Sibley or something? Or could it just be basketball related? Clearly none of us know what caused Sibley to be held out but it just seems to me that we are having a lot more of this under PE than we had under JT3. I am getting tired of the drama to the point I'm afraid when I get on this site I'm gonna find another player has been benched, held out or is transferring. Watching our ex players light it up somewhere else is getting depressing. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 26, 2020 19:49:22 GMT -5
Who is “lighting it up” somewhere else?
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Post by s4hoyas on Nov 26, 2020 21:09:30 GMT -5
Hopefully, its just a minor issue with Sibley and he'll be good to go soon...same with Bile's "injury"...I'd like to see Berger get some run as well, as he played both guard positions (so he can handle) and he is an excellent outside shooter...Navy will be a challenge so we need to be more disciplined (cut down
on turnovers) and make f/ts at a higher %, and still control the boards...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 27, 2020 10:23:28 GMT -5
I like the way this team plays together. There is plenty of talent on this roster, albeit with no real stars. First game could have been much, much worse against a decent UMBC squad.
Happy Thanksgiving and Go Hoyas!
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 27, 2020 10:44:54 GMT -5
Some observations about our first game:
(1) We would not have won the game without Blair. Yes, he is a volume shooter and he shot under 50% but he consistently made big shots as well as his free throws. Who else on that team would you want to take 22 shots? Happy he is on the team this year.
(2) Wahab is a very good player, with plenty of room to get better. Without him, we don't build the big lead that held up at the end of the game.
(3) Deja vu with Pickett. Yes, he will have better shooting days but he is too easily knocked off balance and never seems to get all the way to the basket when he drives.
(4) Tim is RAW and not ready for prime time yet. The mental errors should be correctable.
(5) We only played one game, and those of you who are already writing this team off should calm down. Would you have punched the ticket to March Madness if we had won by 30?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 27, 2020 10:45:57 GMT -5
Do people really feel like that was a bad first game? What did they expect? Insane.
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Nov 27, 2020 11:03:53 GMT -5
Like others I have reasonably low expectations. But watching the game it was pretty clear that we don't have a legit PG, which probably caps our ability to positively surprise. Granted it's one game, so things have to play out. I also thought Dante Harris showed flashes, so maybe we just take the ride with a freshman PG - basically an investment in the future.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 27, 2020 11:42:10 GMT -5
Or are all of the players equally excepting the same things from themselves? It seems 11 other guys were able to suit up yesterday. Was Ewing not strict with them but strict with Sibley or something? Or could it just be basketball related? Clearly none of us know what caused Sibley to be held out but it just seems to me that we are having a lot more of this under PE than we had under JT3. I am getting tired of the drama to the point I'm afraid when I get on this site I'm gonna find another player has been benched, held out or is transferring. Watching our ex players light it up somewhere else is getting depressing. He did have an injury last year. But who knows? I'm curious, but let the coach, coach! |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 27, 2020 13:44:31 GMT -5
Clearly none of us know what caused Sibley to be held out but it just seems to me that we are having a lot more of this under PE than we had under JT3. I am getting tired of the drama to the point I'm afraid when I get on this site I'm gonna find another player has been benched, held out or is transferring. Watching our ex players light it up somewhere else is getting depressing. He did have an injury last year. But who knows? I'm curious, but let the coach, coach! The Sibley DNP would be no big deal in a vacuum, and may still be no big deal. I think the reason why it's getting under some people's skin is that Ewing played everybody else who was healthy, and Sibley is projected to be good enough where he should get at least some playing time. Now, we have no idea why Sibley didn't play, but we know it is likely not (a) health/injury (since Ewing said so for Bile, but not Sibley) or (b) that Sibley isn't good enough to warrant minutes. In light of that, combined with Georgetown's general poor communications history, it causes people's imaginations to run wild. I am not placing the blame of this solely on Ewing, but he is the head coach, and under his watch ("let the coach, coach!"), the team has had a dismal record when it comes to retaining players. Keep in mind, the reason why we are in this situation, with over 50% of the roster being new, is because of the loss of LeBlanc, Akinjo, McClung, Gardner, and Alexander. And, the first sign of problems last year was LeBlanc's benching and then lack of minutes. So, I think that's why people are concerned about Sibley. Hopefully, it'll turn out to be nothing. |
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Post by hoya73 on Nov 27, 2020 14:02:33 GMT -5
I don't remeber Berger on the floor, so, I think not everybody who was healthy played.
I have as little clue as to why Sibley didn't play as everybody else who feels free to comment, so...
What if Ewing's post-game comments about Kobe showing in PRACTICE what he showed in the game are instructive?
Wouldn't be the first time, and wouldn't be bad coaching, if that kind of message was sent.
Sibley may be a practice beast and both he and Berger may have shown in practice that they are ready to defend real opponents, again, I really don't know,
but if others can imply bad coaching by Ewing, I can imply possibilities of totally normal, mainstream doing what good coaches do, especially early in the season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 27, 2020 14:25:02 GMT -5
I don't remeber Berger on the floor, so, I think not everybody who was healthy played. I have as little clue as to why Sibley didn't play as everybody else who feels free to comment, so... What if Ewing's post-game comments about Kobe showing in PRACTICE what he showed in the game are instructive? Wouldn't be the first time, and wouldn't be bad coaching, if that kind of message was sent. Sibley may be a practice beast and both he and Berger may have shown in practice that they are ready to defend real opponents, again, I really don't know, but if others can imply bad coaching by Ewing, I can imply possibilities of totally normal, mainstream doing what good coaches do, especially early in the season. You are right, Berger also did not play. I had missed that. As of now, we know nothing. It could simply be that Berger and Sibley weren't playing at the level where Ewing wanted in practice. As of now, we played one game and thus, all this is mostly meaningless and speculation, but hey that's what HoyaTalk is for. |
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 27, 2020 16:21:48 GMT -5
Clearly none of us know what caused Sibley to be held out but it just seems to me that we are having a lot more of this under PE than we had under JT3. I am getting tired of the drama to the point I'm afraid when I get on this site I'm gonna find another player has been benched, held out or is transferring. Watching our ex players light it up somewhere else is getting depressing. Another reminder: sports are much bigger than wins and losses. Our program has a tremendous history of evidence to that effect. If you want to follow a program that has standards you’re free to do so. But it’s not abnormal or unreasonable that Pat has standards - I’d be willing to bet he knows way better than you or I what it takes to be successful (in basketball). It’s about the bigger picture. But again, my point was, if the other players were able to suit up on game day (assuming it was rules related aka has to do with pats coaching philosophy), why wasnt Sibley? And then maybe also consider that there may be new team rules in place this year (covid). Seriously? You haven't noticed a pattern developing? Hey, I want PE to hold players to account but what does it say about his recruiting that he seems to be attracting guys who don't get along with each other, dont get along with the coach, or generally aren't comfortable at the Hilltop. |
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Post by dense on Nov 27, 2020 17:00:18 GMT -5
Sibley has a rep for sometimes not playing hard. I remember there was a post from his trainer on Twitter that he kicked him out of the gym cause he felt he wasn't bringing it. Not playing in the first game could just be a message. We don't know anything unless it becomes a pattern. Also I want the guys who play hard in practice out there regardless of recruiting rankings. If Holloway and Kobe outplay him so be it.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 27, 2020 17:14:14 GMT -5
He did have an injury last year. But who knows? I'm curious, but let the coach, coach! The Sibley DNP would be no big deal in a vacuum, and may still be no big deal. I think the reason why it's getting under some people's skin is that Ewing played everybody else who was healthy, and Sibley is projected to be good enough where he should get at least some playing time. Now, we have no idea why Sibley didn't play, but we know it is likely not (a) health/injury (since Ewing said so for Bile, but not Sibley) or (b) that Sibley isn't good enough to warrant minutes. In light of that, combined with Georgetown's general poor communications history, it causes people's imaginations to run wild. I am not placing the blame of this solely on Ewing, but he is the head coach, and under his watch ("let the coach, coach!"), the team has had a dismal record when it comes to retaining players. Keep in mind, the reason why we are in this situation, with over 50% of the roster being new, is because of the loss of LeBlanc, Akinjo, McClung, Gardner, and Alexander. And, the first sign of problems last year was LeBlanc's benching and then lack of minutes. So, I think that's why people are concerned about Sibley. Hopefully, it'll turn out to be nothing. What worries me is that Holloway got spot minutes over Sibley. Assuming he’s healthy, I can’t see how/why that would be the case other than a discipline issue. |
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Post by drquigley on Nov 27, 2020 21:32:45 GMT -5
Seriously? You haven't noticed a pattern developing? Hey, I want PE to hold players to account but what does it say about his recruiting that he seems to be attracting guys who don't get along with each other, dont get along with the coach, or generally aren't comfortable at the Hilltop. Yes there is a pattern, happens in every single program in the country. Some programs sweep things under the rug, some keep things internal, and some don’t give them any special treatment (us). Again, how are you surprised Ewing isn’t one to let players bend the rules? How do you not understand he’s been there done that and Knows his team better than anyone? And to the second part of your post it’s pure speculation and FANTASY. Every single program recruits kids who are susceptible to bad choices. Every single program has kids on the roster who may not like each other. Like I said, every program has players who violate the rules, but some are more willing to accept it so that they can win now. Ewing is BUILDING something. You can’t fill out that foundation with hollow bricks (players who you let skate by producing, doing it the wrong way). What you’re taking issue with is Ewing actually applying the rules equally and fairly, not about whether his rules are too strict. Again, the other players don’t seem to have an issue, so clearly they were able to put the team first. But this discussion is all moot because we have no idea why Sibley didn’t dress, but the fact that you automatically attribute it to Ewing being unfair isn’t exactly credible. May wait to see it play out before you try to draw conclusions? You're right it is too soon to draw conclusions. Like I said, all I want from this year is no drama. |
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Post by tashoya on Nov 27, 2020 21:57:17 GMT -5
Clearly none of us know what caused Sibley to be held out but it just seems to me that we are having a lot more of this under PE than we had under JT3. I am getting tired of the drama to the point I'm afraid when I get on this site I'm gonna find another player has been benched, held out or is transferring. Watching our ex players light it up somewhere else is getting depressing. Another reminder: sports are much bigger than wins and losses. Our program has a tremendous history of evidence to that effect. If you want to follow a program that has standards you’re free to do so. But it’s not abnormal or unreasonable that Pat has standards - I’d be willing to bet he knows way better than you or I what it takes to be successful (in basketball). It’s about the bigger picture. But again, my point was, if the other players were able to suit up on game day (assuming it was rules related aka has to do with pats coaching philosophy), why wasnt Sibley? And then maybe also consider that there may be new team rules in place this year (covid). I may be wrong but I'm fairly sure that Sibley was suited up. He just didn't check in. Am I incorrect about that? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 27, 2020 22:23:15 GMT -5
Yes there is a pattern, happens in every single program in the country. Some programs sweep things under the rug, some keep things internal, and some don’t give them any special treatment (us). Again, how are you surprised Ewing isn’t one to let players bend the rules? How do you not understand he’s been there done that and Knows his team better than anyone? And to the second part of your post it’s pure speculation and FANTASY. Every single program recruits kids who are susceptible to bad choices. Every single program has kids on the roster who may not like each other. Like I said, every program has players who violate the rules, but some are more willing to accept it so that they can win now. Ewing is BUILDING something. You can’t fill out that foundation with hollow bricks (players who you let skate by producing, doing it the wrong way). What you’re taking issue with is Ewing actually applying the rules equally and fairly, not about whether his rules are too strict. Again, the other players don’t seem to have an issue, so clearly they were able to put the team first. But this discussion is all moot because we have no idea why Sibley didn’t dress, but the fact that you automatically attribute it to Ewing being unfair isn’t exactly credible. May wait to see it play out before you try to draw conclusions? I just do not buy into the narrative that Georgetown/Ewing somehow treats athletes differently by not giving them "any special treatment." What does that even mean? Sure, we do not give the guys fictional classes like UNC, and I do think Georgetown is tougher academically than other schools, but how do we even know what type of treatment they get? Maybe you know insiders, and I don't, but I am pretty sure we don't know much. I mean, we do know they're being treated differently this year because they are actually on campus, unlike thousands of other students remotely learning from home. So there's that, at least. Same with your statement: "What you’re taking issue with is Ewing actually applying the rules equally and fairly, not about whether his rules are too strict. Again, the other players don’t seem to have an issue, so clearly they were able to put the team first." This is pure speculation. I have no idea what your basis is for saying any of this, other than your typical defensive posture on behalf of Ewing. As for your last statement, I agree. We have no idea why Sibley didn't play, so I'll wait to see how that plays out. In normal circumstances, I doubt this would be a big deal, the only reason people are concerned is because of the revolving door of guys out of the program under the current staff. |
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 27, 2020 23:06:28 GMT -5
I like the part, "we don't know so why not let things play out..."
Coach wants to win and needs to win more than we want him to win. He is totally invested in this. I was looking forward Sibley playing and I still am. I am giving the coach the benefit of the doubt. I want to see the team win and develop strongly.
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 27, 2020 23:26:32 GMT -5
PE’s comments before the first game regarding Sibley were to the tune of “it’s going to be a process.” That seems to have foreshadowed that he wasn’t going to play a big part in the early going, so, until I hear otherwise, I’m going to just assume that PE thinks that Clark and Holloway are in front of Sibley in the rotation.
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Post by dense on Nov 28, 2020 0:28:35 GMT -5
PE’s comments before the first game regarding Sibley were to the tune of “it’s going to be a process.” That seems to have foreshadowed that he wasn’t going to play a big part in the early going, so, until I hear otherwise, I’m going to just assume that PE thinks that Clark and Holloway are in front of Sibley in the rotation. If I was guessing it would be this but I have no idea. People just assume the 4 star is better than Holloway. Maybe Holloway brings it in practice more. If so, then so be it. I'm not sweating it. I liked what I saw from Holloway and Kobe Clark out there. The drive Holloway made and tipped in his own miss was strong and very good. |
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