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Post by IDenj on Sept 4, 2020 18:56:00 GMT -5
Just saying step outside the Hoya bubble and every fan base will say something similar. If you truly feel that somehow we have a greater combination of those attributes...well good luck convincing college basketball fans outside of the Hoya bubble. In the eyes of almost everyone Georgetown isn’t special and doesn’t offer anything different than almost every school. This is just wrong lol. I appreciate the attempt to try to be unbiased and take a look at it from a non-homer perspective but that doesn't simultaneously mean there is nothing unique or exceptional to this program. If anything, the reactions across the country this past week should show you there is indeed something VERY unique about our program, and thankfully that uniqueness happens to align with much of what Harmon has mentioned so far. Those sentiments are about yesteryear and Thompson. I agree there is something special about our program; few if any outside Hoya fandom would consider it to be anything that separates itself from most other schools.
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Post by IDenj on Sept 4, 2020 18:57:46 GMT -5
Just saying step outside the Hoya bubble and every fan base will say something similar. If you truly feel that somehow we have a greater combination of those attributes...well good luck convincing college basketball fans outside of the Hoya bubble. In the eyes of almost everyone Georgetown isn’t special and doesn’t offer anything different than almost every school. I think Harmon believes Georgetown is special. I don't know if it's enough to put us over the top, or how he feels about other schools, but I think he is fond of the legacy that Big John has created here. I think that's why people are making the assumption that these quotes are very Georgetown friendly. He ( Harmon ) may just as many other parents and guardians have. Hasn’t meant much to top flight talent tho.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 19:01:26 GMT -5
I think Harmon believes Georgetown is special. I don't know if it's enough to put us over the top, or how he feels about other schools, but I think he is fond of the legacy that Big John has created here. I think that's why people are making the assumption that these quotes are very Georgetown friendly. He ( Harmon ) may just as many other parents and guardians have. Hasn’t meant much to top flight talent tho. It doesn't mean it won't matter in this case though. Every situation is different.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 4, 2020 20:30:29 GMT -5
Just saying step outside the Hoya bubble and every fan base will say something similar. If you truly feel that somehow we have a greater combination of those attributes...well good luck convincing college basketball fans outside of the Hoya bubble. In the eyes of almost everyone Georgetown isn’t special and doesn’t offer anything different than almost every school. Since when do you speak for all outside of the “bubble”? I came from outside of the Hoya bubble in part because of the rich history/tradition. I understand that’s your belief but have you been paying attention to anything from this week?
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 4, 2020 20:39:55 GMT -5
This is just wrong lol. I appreciate the attempt to try to be unbiased and take a look at it from a non-homer perspective but that doesn't simultaneously mean there is nothing unique or exceptional to this program. If anything, the reactions across the country this past week should show you there is indeed something VERY unique about our program, and thankfully that uniqueness happens to align with much of what Harmon has mentioned so far. Those sentiments are about yesteryear and Thompson. I agree there is something special about our program; few if any outside Hoya fandom would consider it to be anything that separates itself from most other schools. Not exactly yesteryear. The 1b most important figure in GU basketball history is our coach if you haven’t noticed. And he’s determined to recreate the glory of the past and remind people (like you) that the traditions still exist. Sure we’re not the perfect example, and like another poster said I admire your attempt to look at it through an unbiased lens but Georgetown built the BE and has a rich tradition that still endures. This week has virtually squashed all doubt on that front imho, at least for me. Again, we’re not perfect but comparatively we offer a unique culture and that’s frankly the only reason we are still in this conversation. Choose to intentionally take the coach’s comments as applying to each school equally all you want, but all signs point to it favoring one model over another.
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Post by blazers32 on Sept 4, 2020 21:42:12 GMT -5
If we don't get mohammed, then what. We sign some kid not even ranked in the top 300 again...smh
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Post by s4hoyas on Sept 4, 2020 22:22:46 GMT -5
We will always have options, including holding the schollie until the next year...but I think our chances are pretty good (just wish we could get a decision before Dec/Jan)...
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Post by mdtd on Sept 5, 2020 0:27:21 GMT -5
If we don't get mohammed, then what. We sign some kid not even ranked in the top 300 again...smh Then we will find out. It's early to complain about what can be, though I think this class needs another piece. I'm not going to assume things won't get better because this is the first time under Ewing (that I remember, could be wrong) that we've had two commits this early. That should build momentum. There are a lot of recruits left in this class. Time will tell.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 5, 2020 1:53:29 GMT -5
247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/Aminu-Mohammed-Greenwood-Laboratory-Indiana-basketball-recruiting-five-star--151043471/“Indiana calls us quite frequently. We’ve been talking to coach Miller pretty frequently over the past couple weeks,” Shawn Harmon, Mohammed’s guardian, tells Peegs.com. “We’ve been talking with Georgetown and Georgia. Those are the three schools that probably call the most “One thing I try to do as a mentor is convey to him that whatever situation he’s in, to make yourself a part of the fabric of that community, to embrace that community, to embrace the ideas that go along with that community. Because regardless of where you go in life and what profession you end up in, you have to embrace whatever it is — the ideals, the community, the people,” Harmon said. “You have to understand the vision of that institution or that corporation. You have to learn those things, and many times, that’s what sets you out above the others. It makes you a treasured commodity. Not only do you take from but you give back to when you embrace a community and its ideas and its vision. Those are things that are important to me. I want him to understand those things can be a part of the makeup of who he is as a person, not just a basketball player. “I want to be able to learn about people who have come through those institutions, who can help him become a better person, not just a better basketball player, that will help build a better future for him and for future generations of Mohammeds. Archie Miller had no choice but to increase his frequency of calls to Muhammad's camp because the guy he had relied on to handle that, Bruiser Flint, departed his staff to reteam with Calipari at Kentucky. Apparently it was Flint who had been leading Indiana's charge for Mohammed before then. Georgetown appears to be in a good position but what worries me is the possibility of some other program not being talked about now who swoops in. Maybe Kentucky?I Also if Aminu is a practicing Muslim perhaps he could take heed of Yurtseven's experience at Georgetown.
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Post by IDenj on Sept 5, 2020 5:14:00 GMT -5
Those sentiments are about yesteryear and Thompson. I agree there is something special about our program; few if any outside Hoya fandom would consider it to be anything that separates itself from most other schools. Not exactly yesteryear. The 1b most important figure in GU basketball history is our coach if you haven’t noticed. And he’s determined to recreate the glory of the past and remind people (like you) that the traditions still exist. Sure we’re not the perfect example, and like another poster said I admire your attempt to look at it through an unbiased lens but Georgetown built the BE and has a rich tradition that still endures. This week has virtually squashed all doubt on that front imho, at least for me. Again, we’re not perfect but comparatively we offer a unique culture and that’s frankly the only reason we are still in this conversation. Choose to intentionally take the coach’s comments as applying to each school equally all you want, but all signs point to it favoring one model over another. Ask non Hoya fans if they agree with those statements from his mentor and you’ll see outside of us Hoya fans what the perception is of this program.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 5, 2020 8:14:57 GMT -5
Not exactly yesteryear. The 1b most important figure in GU basketball history is our coach if you haven’t noticed. And he’s determined to recreate the glory of the past and remind people (like you) that the traditions still exist. Sure we’re not the perfect example, and like another poster said I admire your attempt to look at it through an unbiased lens but Georgetown built the BE and has a rich tradition that still endures. This week has virtually squashed all doubt on that front imho, at least for me. Again, we’re not perfect but comparatively we offer a unique culture and that’s frankly the only reason we are still in this conversation. Choose to intentionally take the coach’s comments as applying to each school equally all you want, but all signs point to it favoring one model over another. Ask non Hoya fans if they agree with those statements from his mentor and you’ll see outside of us Hoya fans what the perception is of this program. Um, I speak to (different) non-Hoya fans on a daily basis...the perception is despite a handful of years of little success on the court we are still a storied program that is instantly recognizable by any sports fan (and a lot globally) that has a foundation that was built on the culture and tradition of the past. Still a top 25 job in the country. Are you complaining because we’re not perceived as a top 10 program? Is that really your expectation? Newsflash...as recently as spring 2013 we were virtually considered a top 10-15 program of all time by most everyone outside of this fan base. And even within that group we stood out for our rich culture/history/tradition. Are you really trying to argue that “eVeRy PrOgRaM cAn AnD wIlL sAy ThEiR pRoGrAm Is SpEcIaL”?? Well yes they can, but like another poster pointed out saying it doesn’t make it true. We’re not the only program with a storied history but we’re top tier. First program to be ranked #1 in the Big East, won the league a bunch early and then throughout. First program to really, really embrace black players and create an environment for them where coach became the first black coach to do it at that level. And that’s just on the court. The things described by the coach extend beyond the practice facilities and into these young men’s lives. That is just one or two things to point to but there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes that most of us will never know. That’s why you should heed the assessment of people actually in the basketball world, it’s not just lip service that they give us. You have to have the ability/skill to read between the lines to be able to tell what is lip service and what is a legitimate compliment. Again, we’re not unparalleled but I don’t think you understand reputation, or at least in this case, the way you think you do.
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Post by swhoya on Sept 5, 2020 11:58:41 GMT -5
Ask non Hoya fans if they agree with those statements from his mentor and you’ll see outside of us Hoya fans what the perception is of this program. Um, I speak to (different) non-Hoya fans on a daily basis...the perception is despite a handful of years of little success on the court we are still a storied program that is instantly recognizable by any sports fan (and a lot globally) that has a foundation that was built on the culture and tradition of the past. Still a top 25 job in the country. Are you complaining because we’re not perceived as a top 10 program? Is that really your expectation? Newsflash...as recently as spring 2013 we were virtually considered a top 10-15 program of all time by most everyone outside of this fan base. And even within that group we stood out for our rich culture/history/tradition. Are you really trying to argue that “eVeRy PrOgRaM cAn AnD wIlL sAy ThEiR pRoGrAm Is SpEcIaL”?? Well yes they can, but like another poster pointed out saying it doesn’t make it true. We’re not the only program with a storied history but we’re top tier. First program to be ranked #1 in the Big East, won the league a bunch early and then throughout. First program to really, really embrace black players and create an environment for them where coach became the first black coach to do it at that level. And that’s just on the court. The things described by the coach extend beyond the practice facilities and into these young men’s lives. That is just one or two things to point to but there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes that most of us will never know. That’s why you should heed the assessment of people actually in the basketball world, it’s not just lip service that they give us. You have to have the ability/skill to read between the lines to be able to tell what is lip service and what is a legitimate compliment. Again, we’re not unparalleled but I don’t think you understand reputation, or at least in this case, the way you think you do. Oh. My. Goodness. Come to a thread to see what’s happening about a highly touted potential recruit. Find instead a pi$$ing contest about...well, who cares. It’s not about the kid. We need to start a sub forum for disputes about who is the more insightful/proud/rabid Hoya fan. So that we don’t have to wade through “but I talk to more non-Hoya fans than you!” “No, I do!”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 12:05:56 GMT -5
Um, I speak to (different) non-Hoya fans on a daily basis...the perception is despite a handful of years of little success on the court we are still a storied program that is instantly recognizable by any sports fan (and a lot globally) that has a foundation that was built on the culture and tradition of the past. Still a top 25 job in the country. Are you complaining because we’re not perceived as a top 10 program? Is that really your expectation? Newsflash...as recently as spring 2013 we were virtually considered a top 10-15 program of all time by most everyone outside of this fan base. And even within that group we stood out for our rich culture/history/tradition. Are you really trying to argue that “eVeRy PrOgRaM cAn AnD wIlL sAy ThEiR pRoGrAm Is SpEcIaL”?? Well yes they can, but like another poster pointed out saying it doesn’t make it true. We’re not the only program with a storied history but we’re top tier. First program to be ranked #1 in the Big East, won the league a bunch early and then throughout. First program to really, really embrace black players and create an environment for them where coach became the first black coach to do it at that level. And that’s just on the court. The things described by the coach extend beyond the practice facilities and into these young men’s lives. That is just one or two things to point to but there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes that most of us will never know. That’s why you should heed the assessment of people actually in the basketball world, it’s not just lip service that they give us. You have to have the ability/skill to read between the lines to be able to tell what is lip service and what is a legitimate compliment. Again, we’re not unparalleled but I don’t think you understand reputation, or at least in this case, the way you think you do. Oh. My. Goodness. Come to a thread to see what’s happening about a highly touted potential recruit. Find instead a pi$$ing contest about...well, who cares. It’s not about the kid. We need to start a sub forum for disputes about who is the more insightful/proud/rabid Hoya fan. So that we don’t have to wade through “but I talk to more non-Hoya fans than you!” “No, I do!” swhoya, it might help you if you start from the beginning of the thread instead of the end of the thread to get the context of the argument between the posters before you go spouting off and making yourself look silly complaining about what others are talking about. Because if you did that, you might find that what they are arguing about is about the perception that recruits and others have about the program. Or, you could just ignore thier conversation and do what you claim you came on the board to do and that is to check on the recruit.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 5, 2020 12:14:05 GMT -5
Um, I speak to (different) non-Hoya fans on a daily basis...the perception is despite a handful of years of little success on the court we are still a storied program that is instantly recognizable by any sports fan (and a lot globally) that has a foundation that was built on the culture and tradition of the past. Still a top 25 job in the country. Are you complaining because we’re not perceived as a top 10 program? Is that really your expectation? Newsflash...as recently as spring 2013 we were virtually considered a top 10-15 program of all time by most everyone outside of this fan base. And even within that group we stood out for our rich culture/history/tradition. Are you really trying to argue that “eVeRy PrOgRaM cAn AnD wIlL sAy ThEiR pRoGrAm Is SpEcIaL”?? Well yes they can, but like another poster pointed out saying it doesn’t make it true. We’re not the only program with a storied history but we’re top tier. First program to be ranked #1 in the Big East, won the league a bunch early and then throughout. First program to really, really embrace black players and create an environment for them where coach became the first black coach to do it at that level. And that’s just on the court. The things described by the coach extend beyond the practice facilities and into these young men’s lives. That is just one or two things to point to but there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes that most of us will never know. That’s why you should heed the assessment of people actually in the basketball world, it’s not just lip service that they give us. You have to have the ability/skill to read between the lines to be able to tell what is lip service and what is a legitimate compliment. Again, we’re not unparalleled but I don’t think you understand reputation, or at least in this case, the way you think you do. Oh. My. Goodness. Come to a thread to see what’s happening about a highly touted potential recruit. Find instead a pi$$ing contest about...well, who cares. It’s not about the kid. We need to start a sub forum for disputes about who is the more insightful/proud/rabid Hoya fan. So that we don’t have to wade through “but I talk to more non-Hoya fans than you!” “No, I do!” A pi$$ing contest? You don’t think you’re being a little dramatic? Like who cares about your expectations, now you’re literally the only one mucking up the board before this post. We were fine having a legitimate discussion without you offering your opinion.....it literally pertains to the topic at hand so maybe get off your high horse and go ask your butler to teach you how to read. So disrespectful smfh. In case it went over your head you don’t know what you’re talking about and completely misread the situation. Hard whiff, not a good look.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 5, 2020 12:15:04 GMT -5
Oh. My. Goodness. Come to a thread to see what’s happening about a highly touted potential recruit. Find instead a pi$$ing contest about...well, who cares. It’s not about the kid. We need to start a sub forum for disputes about who is the more insightful/proud/rabid Hoya fan. So that we don’t have to wade through “but I talk to more non-Hoya fans than you!” “No, I do!” swhoya, it might help you if you start from the beginning of the thread instead of the end of the thread to get the context of the argument between the posters before you go spouting off and making yourself look silly complaining about what others are talking about. Because if you did that, you might find that what they are arguing about is about the perception that recruits and others have about the program. Or, you could just ignore thier conversation and do what you claim you came on the board to do and that is to check on the recruit. THANK YOU. It’s a pretty simple concept. Don’t know who pi$$ed in his/her cereal, to take their term.
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Post by justsaying on Sept 5, 2020 13:07:59 GMT -5
Um, I speak to (different) non-Hoya fans on a daily basis...the perception is despite a handful of years of little success on the court we are still a storied program that is instantly recognizable by any sports fan (and a lot globally) that has a foundation that was built on the culture and tradition of the past. Still a top 25 job in the country. Are you complaining because we’re not perceived as a top 10 program? Is that really your expectation? Newsflash...as recently as spring 2013 we were virtually considered a top 10-15 program of all time by most everyone outside of this fan base. And even within that group we stood out for our rich culture/history/tradition. Are you really trying to argue that “eVeRy PrOgRaM cAn AnD wIlL sAy ThEiR pRoGrAm Is SpEcIaL”?? Well yes they can, but like another poster pointed out saying it doesn’t make it true. We’re not the only program with a storied history but we’re top tier. First program to be ranked #1 in the Big East, won the league a bunch early and then throughout. First program to really, really embrace black players and create an environment for them where coach became the first black coach to do it at that level. And that’s just on the court. The things described by the coach extend beyond the practice facilities and into these young men’s lives. That is just one or two things to point to but there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes that most of us will never know. That’s why you should heed the assessment of people actually in the basketball world, it’s not just lip service that they give us. You have to have the ability/skill to read between the lines to be able to tell what is lip service and what is a legitimate compliment. Again, we’re not unparalleled but I don’t think you understand reputation, or at least in this case, the way you think you do. Oh. My. Goodness. Come to a thread to see what’s happening about a highly touted potential recruit. Find instead a pi$$ing contest about...well, who cares. It’s not about the kid. We need to start a sub forum for disputes about who is the more insightful/proud/rabid Hoya fan. So that we don’t have to wade through “but I talk to more non-Hoya fans than you!” “No, I do!” Agree with the comment above. Come to read about recruits and having to wade through all this personal takes on programs, coaches, assistant coaches, ... etc. When the title of the thread is Recruit So&So 2021 you want to get the latest on that recruit, period. If others thoughts in other areas then put it in those threads or make a thread for that. Just do not come here as often for the very thoughts mentioned above.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 14:38:36 GMT -5
To put into context, this is how this part of the thread started as posted by Yaboy. This is Harmon, Mohammed's guardian, giving advice to Mohammed in regards to picking a school:
“Indiana calls us quite frequently. We’ve been talking to coach Miller pretty frequently over the past couple weeks,” Shawn Harmon, Mohammed’s guardian, tells Peegs.com. “We’ve been talking with Georgetown and Georgia. Those are the three schools that probably call the most
“One thing I try to do as a mentor is convey to him that whatever situation he’s in, to make yourself a part of the fabric of that community, to embrace that community, to embrace the ideas that go along with that community. Because regardless of where you go in life and what profession you end up in, you have to embrace whatever it is — the ideals, the community, the people,” Harmon said.
“You have to understand the vision of that institution or that corporation. You have to learn those things, and many times, that’s what sets you out above the others. It makes you a treasured commodity. Not only do you take from but you give back to when you embrace a community and its ideas and its vision. Those are things that are important to me. I want him to understand those things can be a part of the makeup of who he is as a person, not just a basketball player.
“I want to be able to learn about people who have come through those institutions, who can help him become a better person, not just a better basketball player, that will help build a better future for him and for future generations of Mohammeds.
This is what the two gentlemen were discussing which relates to the recruitment of Mohammed.
If you guys don't want people to talk about certain things surrounding the recruitment of a player, perhaps you guys should make the rules of posting very very narrow. Maybe you should say, you can't quote the player's thoughts on his recruitment or his parents or guardian.
Maybe you should say, you can't talk about the coaches not recruiting in the local area. I say this because you guys don't pay attention to context. And while it is annoying to you guys to see people, who are posting in context, talk about something you think is not related to the recruit, It is annoying to us who want to hear from other posters in regards to the recruit when you guys constantly complain for no reason (in my mind).
As a matter of fact, can someone just lay the groundrules as to what we are to speak about and what not to speak about?? That would be so helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 14:50:32 GMT -5
I think I am going to be retiring from viewing and posting on these boards for awhile. I hope we have a season this upcoming season so that we get to watch our beloved Hoyas. I'll try not to visit the boards until at least we land our next recruit. Peace!
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 5, 2020 15:00:16 GMT -5
Oh. My. Goodness. Come to a thread to see what’s happening about a highly touted potential recruit. Find instead a pi$$ing contest about...well, who cares. It’s not about the kid. We need to start a sub forum for disputes about who is the more insightful/proud/rabid Hoya fan. So that we don’t have to wade through “but I talk to more non-Hoya fans than you!” “No, I do!” Agree with the comment above. Come to read about recruits and having to wade through all this personal takes on programs, coaches, assistant coaches, ... etc. When the title of the thread is Recruit So&So 2021 you want to get the latest on that recruit, period. If others thoughts in other areas then put it in those threads or make a thread for that. Just do not come here as often for the very thoughts mentioned above. The conversation was like 3-4 messages back and forth directly related to developments about the recruit the thread is about. Why so dramatic? Too bad you can’t seem to form your own opinions, or else you would have noticed the “very thoughts mentioned above” were a wholly invalid, incorrect and lazy characterization of the conversation that was actually happening. Again, ironically, it’s posts like yours that are actually responsible for muddying the conversation and draw people way closer to pi$$ing contests. I’ll repeat again for clarity, ironically, it’s posts like yours that are actually responsible for muddying the conversation and draw people way closer to pi$$ing contests. so in an effort to keep the real discussion about a potential recruit moving this is the last I’ll say on the subject.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 5, 2020 15:04:47 GMT -5
I think I am going to be retiring from viewing and posting on these boards for awhile. I hope we have a season this upcoming season so that we get to watch our beloved Hoyas. I'll try not to visit the boards until at least we land our next recruit. Peace! Sorry to see you go, but yeah because of posters like that you kinda HAVE TO remove yourself from this board from time to time to keep mentally healthy. There are a lot of narrow-minded posterS on this board who don’t appreciate thoughtful discussions and a lot of them like to hold grudges against certain posters they can’t even begin to know/understand. Ironic that they don’t realize how much more unwelcome the “I came to this thread for a particularly reason but it’s not fitting my narrow expectations, so I’ll be condescending and try to moderate the conversation” attitude is than the posts they’re quoting. But honestly sorry those two posters brought in that negative energy which is encouraging you to take a break, but it’ll probably help lol.
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