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Post by BigmanU on Jul 26, 2020 13:47:52 GMT -5
PG J. Harris Carey D. Harris
SG Blair/Carey Carey Clarke/Berger
SF Carey/Blair Clark
PF Pickett Bile Sibley/Holloway
Center Wahab Ighoefe Wilson
This is my best guess at next years potential depth chart before practices shake everything out. Feel free to chime in
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Post by trillesthoya on Jul 26, 2020 14:26:28 GMT -5
PG J. Harris Carey D. Harris SG Blair/Carey Carey Clarke/Berger SF Carey/Blair Clark PF Pickett Bile Sibley/Holloway Center Wahab Ighoefe Wilson This is my best guess at next years potential depth chart before practices shake everything out. Feel free to chime in Pickett will play plenty of mins at the three. Don’t think Carey will too much, not his natural position even if we’re running three guards. Bile probably will too. Not sure how much burn Clark is going to get this season unless he really impresses.
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 26, 2020 14:43:27 GMT -5
PG J. Harris Carey D. Harris SG Blair/Carey Carey Clarke/Berger SF Carey/Blair Clark PF Pickett Bile Sibley/Holloway Center Wahab Ighoefe Wilson This is my best guess at next years potential depth chart before practices shake everything out. Feel free to chime in Pickett will play plenty of mins at the three. Don’t think Carey will too much, not his natural position even if we’re running three guards. Bile probably will too. Not sure how much burn Clark is going to get this season unless he really impresses. Your right about Pickett, I actually envisioned him starting at the 3 spot & Bile at the 4 spot before Carey signed. At the time, they needed experience in the starting lineup.
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Post by Eurostar on Jul 27, 2020 7:18:39 GMT -5
Harris Blair Pickett Sibley Wahab
Carey and Bile first off the bench Big lineups!
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 27, 2020 8:55:50 GMT -5
Harris Blair Pickett Sibley Wahab Carey and Bile first off the bench Big lineups! Sibley's not ready and it's up in the air if he'll be ready to start in 21/22. He's a raw talent without any go to skill (rebounding, jumper etc.) at this point.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 27, 2020 9:45:18 GMT -5
We have a lot of guys who can do a lot of things. Outside of the bigs, 1 through 4 I’d say we are very multi-dimensional.
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Post by Eurostar on Jul 27, 2020 13:56:23 GMT -5
Harris Blair Pickett Sibley Wahab Carey and Bile first off the bench Big lineups! Sibley's not ready and it's up in the air if he'll be ready to start in 21/22. He's a raw talent without any go to skill (rebounding, jumper etc.) at this point. He's one of our only 4* recruits (with Wahab and Pickett) and looks like he has some skill on his tapes. Also one of the few guys who hasn't bailed on the program over the past 2 years. If he's good enough to start I think he should. Either way, should get a lot of minutes to improve because he will hopefully be an important piece of our team for the next several years.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 27, 2020 18:42:57 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that Sibley may need a little more time to acclimate. Missed a lot of time last year and while he's very much a Big East caliber athlete he's not a shooter (yet) and doesn't necessarily have a go-to skill yet. His ceiling is high for sure, but I don't think people should assume that just because he was the highest ranked that he will make an immediate impact. Usually the assumption is that higher ranked guys are ready to play immediately and lower ranked guys get a label of "maybe he'll be something with a few more years of practice." But I think there's an argument to be made that the reverse may be true in this case. I think Sibley has the highest ceiling, but I don't think it's crazy at all to think that both Kobe Clark and Colin Holloway are more skilled as of right now, and thus may be ready to contribute sooner. Neither have the length and athleticism that Sibley does, so I'm long on his potential, but I don't see him as a starter during his freshman campaign. If he's back to full health and working hard this summer, I'll be happy to be wrong on that.
My guess would be:
Starters PG: J. Harris SG: Carey SF/3G: Blair PF: Pickett C: Wahab
6. Bile 7. D. Harris or Berger (lean Harris) 8. Ighoefe or Wilson (lean Timmy, but I still have all of my Wilson stock) 9. Clark or Sibley or Holloway (would probably guess Clark at the moment if I had to, but nothing would surprise me from this group)
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 27, 2020 22:23:38 GMT -5
In my 40 years of being a rabid Hoya fan, this is the least familiar I’ve ever been with a team in advance of a new season. The lack of Kenner League, the multiple departures, changing parts, transfers, last minute additions — It’s almost too much to keep up with.
Not great from a continuity, get ta know ya perspective.
And, we may not even play. Warm cup o spit.
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Post by bornhoya on Jul 27, 2020 22:51:41 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that Sibley may need a little more time to acclimate. Missed a lot of time last year and while he's very much a Big East caliber athlete he's not a shooter (yet) and doesn't necessarily have a go-to skill yet. His ceiling is high for sure, but I don't think people should assume that just because he was the highest ranked that he will make an immediate impact. Usually the assumption is that higher ranked guys are ready to play immediately and lower ranked guys get a label of "maybe he'll be something with a few more years of practice." But I think there's an argument to be made that the reverse may be true in this case. I think Sibley has the highest ceiling, but I don't think it's crazy at all to think that both Kobe Clark and Colin Holloway are more skilled as of right now, and thus may be ready to contribute sooner. Neither have the length and athleticism that Sibley does, so I'm long on his potential, but I don't see him as a starter during his freshman campaign. If he's back to full health and working hard this summer, I'll be happy to be wrong on that. My guess would be: Starters PG: J. Harris SG: Carey SF/3G: Blair PF: Pickett C: Wahab 6. Bile 7. D. Harris or Berger (lean Harris) 8. Ighoefe or Wilson (lean Timmy, but I still have all of my Wilson stock) 9. Clark or Sibley or Holloway (would probably guess Clark at the moment if I had to, but nothing would surprise me from this group) I gotta disagree with you even though I think Clark has the better handle and the better passer but Sibley is the better athlete, better shooter, better rebounder right now and I’m very high on Clark’s potential. I can see Sibley averaging between 5 to 7 points and between 3 to 5 rebounds a game
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 22:57:53 GMT -5
Imo Sibley is more skilled than folks give him credit for because he's gangly so some of his movements look akward but he's going to play a lot. He's a top flight defender also. I'd put Sibley in that top 7 group personally.
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Post by dense on Jul 28, 2020 7:41:15 GMT -5
Imo Sibley is more skilled than folks give him credit for because he's gangly so some of his movements look akward but he's going to play a lot. He's a top flight defender also. I'd put Sibley in that top 7 group personally. I heard that Kente Corner with Nation Wide Nolan, I don't agree with his assessment of Sibley at all except the playing hard part. I think the two things that he does have going for him is his ability to guard defensively multiple positions and spot up shooting. He will play a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 11:36:51 GMT -5
Imo Sibley is more skilled than folks give him credit for because he's gangly so some of his movements look akward but he's going to play a lot. He's a top flight defender also. I'd put Sibley in that top 7 group personally. I heard that Kente Corner with Nation Wide Nolan, I don't agree with his assessment of Sibley at all except the playing hard part. I think the two things that he does have going for him is his ability to guard defensively multiple positions and spot up shooting. He will play a lot. What did he say?
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Post by trillesthoya on Jul 28, 2020 12:48:55 GMT -5
I heard that Kente Corner with Nation Wide Nolan, I don't agree with his assessment of Sibley at all except the playing hard part. I think the two things that he does have going for him is his ability to guard defensively multiple positions and spot up shooting. He will play a lot. What did he say? Primarily that he doesn't have an identifiable skillset or trait you can point to that will stick out at this level, and that he probably will need quite some time before he's the guy we want him to be. Which I agree with. The defense is already pretty good, and the shooting form is there, but I definitely wouldn't expect him to be freshman Pickett, especially when considering he won't get the minutes or shots freshman Pickett got.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 15:32:21 GMT -5
Primarily that he doesn't have an identifiable skillset or trait you can point to that will stick out at this level, and that he probably will need quite some time before he's the guy we want him to be. Which I agree with. The defense is already pretty good, and the shooting form is there, but I definitely wouldn't expect him to be freshman Pickett, especially when considering he won't get the minutes or shots freshman Pickett got. But that's his game. Defense and defensive versatility. He can knock down open shots though. You're not going to run an offense through, or even plays for him. And you might never do that throughout his career, but that's not his value. When you're talking about a team that has been pretty poor defensively one would hope that would get him minutes.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jul 28, 2020 15:47:54 GMT -5
Imo Sibley is more skilled than folks give him credit for because he's gangly so some of his movements look akward but he's going to play a lot. He's a top flight defender also. I'd put Sibley in that top 7 group personally. I agree Yaboy. I personally believe Sibley will be starting by midseason. I see a lot of Otto in his skillset...
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 28, 2020 17:37:36 GMT -5
Imo Sibley is more skilled than folks give him credit for because he's gangly so some of his movements look akward but he's going to play a lot. He's a top flight defender also. I'd put Sibley in that top 7 group personally. I agree Yaboy. I personally believe Sibley will be starting by midseason. I see a lot of Otto in his skillset... I don't agree, but I HOPE your right about starting mid season. Otto began to be a terror at the end of his Freshman season. I don't see the polish Otto had coming in being just so fundamentally sound, which Sibley is not.
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Post by dense on Jul 28, 2020 18:37:16 GMT -5
Yeah Sibley isn't Otto to me either. he is a someone who now in the NBA would be a classic 3/D guy which this team needs desperately. He can hit an open shot and catch lobs on the break. I wouldn't expect him to do much more than that offensively. His value comes at 6'9 he is quick enough to guard 1-4 somewhat. That is a skill.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 28, 2020 20:16:58 GMT -5
If we can’t find rotational minutes for a 4* (Sibley), who by most accounts is a strong defender, I would be shocked, especially given our historically poor defensive rankings of the last few years. We are a sub .500 team from last year that most prognosticators have picked to finish at the bottom of the league this coming season. No job should be guaranteed coming into official practice, and the best players should play. Defense should be of paramount concern. It’s the greatest opportunity for improvement. Start now and lay a foundation for the years to come.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jul 29, 2020 7:58:00 GMT -5
I agree Yaboy. I personally believe Sibley will be starting by midseason. I see a lot of Otto in his skillset... I don't agree, but I HOPE your right about starting mid season. Otto began to be a terror at the end of his Freshman season. I don't see the polish Otto had coming in being just so fundamentally sound, which Sibley is not. I didn't say he was as good as Otto but he doesn't have to be because this team doesn't have the talent that Otto's freshman year team had... there's no Hollis, Whitt or Brilly stealing minutes....
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