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Post by blueandgray on Jun 28, 2020 9:01:04 GMT -5
This Thread has been a good read. I’m one of the people that was happy when Ewing got a chance to coach and I tune into every televised game rooting for a W. I think the optics of all the departures looks awful for this program. I understand why Gardner, Alexander and LeBlank left the team, they got in trouble with the law. Not Ewing’s fault. He treats the guys as men and if they make bad decisions then he can have them on ankle bracelets watching there every move. When Ackinjo left I figured well, just an unhappy kid with a bad attitude or a good kid that wasn’t fitting in....IDK. I’m not in the lockeroom so I gave Ewing a pass. But this Whole Mac situation makes our programs look awful. Why did Mac leave? He was going to get the keys to the castle right? Primary guard running the show putting his talents on display every night for all too see. I still don’t know the reason he transferred?! I get he couldn’t make it in the draft, was advised again G league or overseas yet he chooses to leave us! Looks awful. Even I’m like what the heck is going on here!? I feel like with the student misbehavior, transfers, and the 2-3 star recruits this is as bad as it gets. The optics read like this. Last few years Ewing got some good players. They came, they saw, then they ran out of here at warp speed. Just my observation from a longtime fan in CT. This I believe is a reasonable assessment and likely how most general college basketball fans view the events of last season. Assuming negative recruiting still happens....that’s certainly what other programs would be saying about Georgetown right now.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jun 28, 2020 11:11:34 GMT -5
This freshman class will either make or break Ewing.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 28, 2020 11:17:01 GMT -5
This freshman class will either make or break Ewing. A good first step will be if they all come back as sophomores...
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Post by richfame on Jun 28, 2020 12:08:21 GMT -5
This Thread has been a good read. I’m one of the people that was happy when Ewing got a chance to coach and I tune into every televised game rooting for a W. I think the optics of all the departures looks awful for this program. I understand why Gardner, Alexander and LeBlank left the team, they got in trouble with the law. Not Ewing’s fault. He treats the guys as men and if they make bad decisions then he can have them on ankle bracelets watching there every move. When Ackinjo left I figured well, just an unhappy kid with a bad attitude or a good kid that wasn’t fitting in....IDK. I’m not in the lockeroom so I gave Ewing a pass. But this Whole Mac situation makes our programs look awful. Why did Mac leave? He was going to get the keys to the castle right? Primary guard running the show putting his talents on display every night for all too see. I still don’t know the reason he transferred?! I get he couldn’t make it in the draft, was advised again G league or overseas yet he chooses to leave us! Looks awful. Even I’m like what the heck is going on here!? I feel like with the student misbehavior, transfers, and the 2-3 star recruits this is as bad as it gets. The optics read like this. Last few years Ewing got some good players. They came, they saw, then they ran out of here at warp speed. Just my observation from a longtime fan in CT. This I believe is a reasonable assessment and likely how most general college basketball fans view the events of last season. Assuming negative recruiting still happens....that’s certainly what other programs would be saying about Georgetown right now. Please forgive my ignorance of not being in the know. Why did Mac leave? He’s was going to be the man here right? Did Ewing trust him? Did he not rush to come back last year from his leg injury because he was down on the program? Did Mac and Akinjo have the same issues? Behind the seasons do the players not like or not respect Ewing as a coach? Could he have fought to keep the players that were being investigated? I would think players would like to be here for at least the reason of Ewing helping them get to the NBA, putting a good word in for them etc. Didn’t Ewing bring MJ in to meet the team once?
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 28, 2020 14:07:07 GMT -5
This I believe is a reasonable assessment and likely how most general college basketball fans view the events of last season. Assuming negative recruiting still happens....that’s certainly what other programs would be saying about Georgetown right now. Please forgive my ignorance of not being in the know. Why did Mac leave? He’s was going to be the man here right? Did Ewing trust him? Did he not rush to come back last year from his leg injury because he was down on the program? Did Mac and Akinjo have the same issues? Behind the seasons do the players not like or not respect Ewing as a coach? Could he have fought to keep the players that were being investigated? I would think players would like to be here for at least the reason of Ewing helping them get to the NBA, putting a good word in for them etc. Didn’t Ewing bring MJ in to meet the team once? Best I can tell the agent he signed got in his ear and poisoned the well.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 29, 2020 6:00:23 GMT -5
Nope, I totally agree with your statement 100 percent. I also appreciate your comment and I wasn't trying to discount what you were saying. I know I wasn't clear in my intentions with my last response and for that I apologize. I just get so fed up with all the negative comments by the posters and I didn't want to go any further with more comments that may spark more negativity. But, I do agree with you and I appreciate that you and I have the same perceptions regarding the negative posters. Everyday I come on the boards to get some news about my beloved team and I am trying my best to comment less and less these days. Except it's not. There are probably 50-60 active posters here who around back from the Ice Age when things were really negative (i.e., Craig Esherick, 2002-04). By comparison, these conversations are the message board equivalent of the Prime Minister's Question Time. And Georgetown fans are notoriously calm by comparison to fan bases which will spend 364 days complaining about last year's outcomes (the original secret sauce of the Paul Feinbaum Show) or fans that will passionately tell you why Nick Saban is letting all of Bama down because he's won only five national titles and not ten. But what do you consider negative? The people that are truly angry over Georgetown's first to worst direction since 2013 have already left the conversation. They vote with their wallets and they don't show up at games and their handles on Hoyatalk are remembered only in passing. There is a segment who is concerned that Georgetown is still playing in the 1980's and has made little effort to reform its approach to the current era. They ask inside the Thompson Center, "does Big John run the show?" as if it's still the days of Marion Barry, Glenn Brenner, Chocolate City, Hoya Paranoia, and Starter jackets for everyone. Except it's 2020 and Georgetown is under .500 over the last five years. Another segment remembers Patrick fondly as a player and thinks he can succeed on his own, with or without the past regime. But fairly or unfairly, he's dug himself a hole after three seasons and these fans are growing frustrated that Georgetown is left chasing two and three star kids in Louisiana instead of a multi-year plan for "rebuilding" the program and the fan base, a phrase Ewing and the basketball office almost never say in public. To that point, neither Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder likes that word, either, and their brands are diminishing over time, too. There are a sample of readers who are the #InPatWeTrust crowd, 110% committed to the coach no matter what he does and no matter what it takes. Not being in the Big East running doesn't mean as much as long as Ewing is out front because of who he is and what he represents. A ten year extension would be fine with them regardless of the record because "it's Patrick" and that's good enough. Others support Ewing heartily as a hedge against the alternative--that if Ewing does not succeed it opens the door to what I call "the uncomfortable conversation": that Georgetown would go outside the John Thompson-approved lineage for a replacement who takes a fundamentally different approach to basketball, top to bottom, and they are not in favor of that. And finally, there are some who are just getting tired of the losing, tired of hearing it at work from the Villanova folks, tired of the same-old same-old approach to home games, worried about the declining Hoya presence at road games the dwindling turnouts at the Garden in March, and wonder why students don't even bother to show up anymore. While supportive, they wonder (some silent, some out loud) if Ewing can really turn this ship around. What do they all have in common? They still SUPPORT the team! The summer soldiers and sunshine patriots aren't around anymore. After the last five years, if you're still reading these pages and setting your watch for when the next game is on FS1, you're committed to this team, but there is less consensus on the "when" and the "how" and, most concerningly, the "if". If you feel that's out of bounds, that's one opinion, but it's an opinion, no more or less. I'll create a new thread for this over the weekend. Really- only 50-60 posters back from the early 2000s? Man, that is crazy. Time flies.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jun 29, 2020 8:29:11 GMT -5
I think DFW's post was really spot on. All of us still left around at this point are completely invested in the success of the program for one reason or another. Now, I do think our definitions of success probably vary pretty wildly, but as furious as I get watching bad basketball (and GU is far from the only culprit here), I have never rooted for anything other than success for any of our past or current players or coaches.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 29, 2020 8:57:19 GMT -5
I think DFW's post was really spot on. All of us still left around at this point are completely invested in the success of the program for one reason or another. Now, I do think our definitions of success probably vary pretty wildly, but as furious as I get watching bad basketball (and GU is far from the only culprit here), I have never rooted for anything other than success for any of our past or current players or coaches. Well said and Amen.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 29, 2020 9:40:45 GMT -5
The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.
Those who are still here don't "hate" the program but rather "hate" what it has become. The indifferent ones have already left. The so-called "haters" still care about the Hoyas even if some vehemently disagree with how they may sometimes express themselves.
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Post by richfame on Jun 29, 2020 19:23:28 GMT -5
The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. Those who are still here don't "hate" the program but rather "hate" what it has become. The indifferent ones have already left. The so-called "haters" still care about the Hoyas even if some vehemently disagree with how they may sometimes express themselves. The only time I rooted against the hoyas was at the end of the JT3 era, I could not stand watching loss after bad loss in the NCAA tournament and his passive system and calm as coma demeanor. I felt things needed to get very very bad to fire Thompson. I really liked The Ewing hire and I’m still hopeful he will turn it around. I would objectively say with the transfers and big game recruiting misses his first few years have not gone as planned. I feel like we’re starting at step one.
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Post by the_way on Jun 29, 2020 19:37:31 GMT -5
This I believe is a reasonable assessment and likely how most general college basketball fans view the events of last season. Assuming negative recruiting still happens....that’s certainly what other programs would be saying about Georgetown right now. Please forgive my ignorance of not being in the know. Why did Mac leave? He’s was going to be the man here right? Did Ewing trust him? Did he not rush to come back last year from his leg injury because he was down on the program? Did Mac and Akinjo have the same issues? Behind the seasons do the players not like or not respect Ewing as a coach? Could he have fought to keep the players that were being investigated? I would think players would like to be here for at least the reason of Ewing helping them get to the NBA, putting a good word in for them etc. Didn’t Ewing bring MJ in to meet the team once? We don't know the exact reasons. Most of us are just going by quotes and what had transpired during his brief career. Mac tested the waters with the NBA and the feedback he received is that he needs to run the point and be more of facilitator at the next level. He was a 2 and a scorer at G-town. Ewing recruited PGs for next year. The team would have needed Mac as more of a scorer again for next year. Do the math. Plus, given all that transpired and the rest of the players from his recruiting class gone, maybe he just wanted a fresh start at another place as well.
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Post by the_way on Jun 29, 2020 19:41:16 GMT -5
Die-hard fans will be here through thick and thin. Die-hards are the ones who post on message boards. lol
The majority are indifferent as someone already mentioned. People will care when we start winning again. People like and pay attention to winners.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 29, 2020 23:38:20 GMT -5
The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. Those who are still here don't "hate" the program but rather "hate" what it has become. The indifferent ones have already left. The so-called "haters" still care about the Hoyas even if some vehemently disagree with how they may sometimes express themselves. The only time I rooted against the hoyas was at the end of the JT3 era, I could not stand watching loss after bad loss in the NCAA tournament and his passive system and calm as coma demeanor. I felt things needed to get very very bad to fire Thompson. I really liked The Ewing hire and I’m still hopeful he will turn it around. I would objectively say with the transfers and big game recruiting misses his first few years have not gone as planned. I feel like we’re starting at step one. So you rooted against the team because of bad NCAA losses, yet you're totally fine with a team that hasn't even made the NCAA tournament (or even won an NIT game) in three years? I don't really understand that logic, other than the fact that you like Ewing more than you liked JT3. And if true, that's fine, but I would much prefer to be losing NCAA games at this point than finishing below .500 in conference. And, starting at step one three years in isn't a good place to be. But, I hope you're right and Ewing will turn it around. We really need it.
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Post by richfame on Sept 1, 2020 6:29:35 GMT -5
The only time I rooted against the hoyas was at the end of the JT3 era, I could not stand watching loss after bad loss in the NCAA tournament and his passive system and calm as coma demeanor. I felt things needed to get very very bad to fire Thompson. I really liked The Ewing hire and I’m still hopeful he will turn it around. I would objectively say with the transfers and big game recruiting misses his first few years have not gone as planned. I feel like we’re starting at step one. So you rooted against the team because of bad NCAA losses, yet you're totally fine with a team that hasn't even made the NCAA tournament (or even won an NIT game) in three years? I don't really understand that logic, other than the fact that you like Ewing more than you liked JT3. And if true, that's fine, but I would much prefer to be losing NCAA games at this point than finishing below .500 in conference. And, starting at step one three years in isn't a good place to be. But, I hope you're right and Ewing will turn it around. We really need it. My issue was I felt the by any other programs standard that JT3 should have been fired Earlier . I can’t say the exact second I came to that conclusion but I felt he had to go. The problem was because JTJr still had his hands on things it was going to be very hard to do this, that things had to be double or triple bad to get rid of 3. That’s why I was OK with losses. I didn’t think he was the right coach with the right system or mentality to lead us forward. Your right Ewing has not delivered. I always give a new coach 3 years to recruit and build his program. Ewings first run has been a nightmare. He got talent in and was suppose to start winning. Clearly got many reasons and different types of departures it didn’t happen. I’m willing to give him a reset button and 2-3 years to learn from what happened. Always liked Ewing.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 1, 2020 8:26:18 GMT -5
So you rooted against the team because of bad NCAA losses, yet you're totally fine with a team that hasn't even made the NCAA tournament (or even won an NIT game) in three years? I don't really understand that logic, other than the fact that you like Ewing more than you liked JT3. And if true, that's fine, but I would much prefer to be losing NCAA games at this point than finishing below .500 in conference. And, starting at step one three years in isn't a good place to be. But, I hope you're right and Ewing will turn it around. We really need it. My issue was I felt the by any other programs standard that JT3 should have been fired Earlier . I can’t say the exact second I came to that conclusion but I felt he had to go. The problem was because JTJr still had his hands on things it was going to be very hard to do this, that things had to be double or triple bad to get rid of 3. That’s why I was OK with losses. I didn’t think he was the right coach with the right system or mentality to lead us forward. Your right Ewing has not delivered. I always give a new coach 3 years to recruit and build his program. Ewings first run has been a nightmare. He got talent in and was suppose to start winning. Clearly got many reasons and different types of departures it didn’t happen. I’m willing to give him a reset button and 2-3 years to learn from what happened. Always liked Ewing. This is what you want to talk about theTuesday after Coach Thompson passed?
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Post by dchoya72 on Sept 1, 2020 10:21:39 GMT -5
Coach Thompson set the gold standard for which the team/program will forever try to achieve! Those who don't understand that can't be Hoya fans!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 11:00:49 GMT -5
This Thread has been a good read. I’m one of the people that was happy when Ewing got a chance to coach and I tune into every televised game rooting for a W. I think the optics of all the departures looks awful for this program. I understand why Gardner, Alexander and LeBlank left the team, they got in trouble with the law. Not Ewing’s fault. He treats the guys as men and if they make bad decisions then he can have them on ankle bracelets watching there every move. When Ackinjo left I figured well, just an unhappy kid with a bad attitude or a good kid that wasn’t fitting in....IDK. I’m not in the lockeroom so I gave Ewing a pass. But this Whole Mac situation makes our programs look awful. Why did Mac leave? He was going to get the keys to the castle right? Primary guard running the show putting his talents on display every night for all too see. I still don’t know the reason he transferred?! I get he couldn’t make it in the draft, was advised again G league or overseas yet he chooses to leave us! Looks awful. Even I’m like what the heck is going on here!? I feel like with the student misbehavior, transfers, and the 2-3 star recruits this is as bad as it gets. The optics read like this. Last few years Ewing got some good players. They came, they saw, then they ran out of here at warp speed. Just my observation from a longtime fan in CT. This I believe is a reasonable assessment and likely how most general college basketball fans view the events of last season. Assuming negative recruiting still happens....that’s certainly what other programs would be saying about Georgetown right now. Basically, all Coach Ewing is doing is exactly what Coach Thompson would do and that is to get rid of the "bad seed(s)". You guys shouldn't look at it as a bad thing. The object or the goal is to get kids that will be around for four years. In that case, a kid would have to be willing to play for the Hoyas for longevity and not get himself into trouble or jeopardize his getting his degree. If a kid violates those basic rules (get himself into trouble or doesn't go to class and make the grades), Coach Ewing is going to get rid of him and that is the bottom line. Coach Ewing has to uphold the integrity of the University and not allow a "bad seed" compromise the program and therefore the University. So you guys better get used to guys transferring if guys are violating those basic rules set by Coach Big John Thompson and I am pretty sure those rules are being carried on by Coach Ewing.
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Post by richfame on Sept 1, 2020 14:54:35 GMT -5
My issue was I felt the by any other programs standard that JT3 should have been fired Earlier . I can’t say the exact second I came to that conclusion but I felt he had to go. The problem was because JTJr still had his hands on things it was going to be very hard to do this, that things had to be double or triple bad to get rid of 3. That’s why I was OK with losses. I didn’t think he was the right coach with the right system or mentality to lead us forward. Your right Ewing has not delivered. I always give a new coach 3 years to recruit and build his program. Ewings first run has been a nightmare. He got talent in and was suppose to start winning. Clearly got many reasons and different types of departures it didn’t happen. I’m willing to give him a reset button and 2-3 years to learn from what happened. Always liked Ewing. This is what you want to talk about theTuesday after Coach Thompson passed? I haven’t logged on in awhile and was responding to any open questions. Of course I came on when I heard of JT JRS passing Very sad news.
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Post by BigmanU on Sept 1, 2020 19:52:54 GMT -5
This is what you want to talk about theTuesday after Coach Thompson passed? I haven’t logged on in awhile and was responding to any open questions. Of course I came on when I heard of JT JRS passing Very sad news. Whatever man, Terrible timing deletedNot the time for this _ _!
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Post by richfame on Sept 1, 2020 20:08:02 GMT -5
I haven’t logged on in awhile and was responding to any open questions. Of course I came on when I heard of JT JRS passing Very sad news. Whatever man, Terrible timing deletedNot the time for this _ _ I was responding to hoyasaxa2003. You have no right to talk to me like that. Awful how a fellow hoya fan can talk to another. Your a miserable deleted
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