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Post by zxhoya on Jun 8, 2020 8:16:29 GMT -5
Collin Holloway reminds me of Weslely Unseld. The kid is built like Unseld and Barkley. He's good speed for a man his size, very good athleticism, a soft touch on his outside shot, a terrific rebounder, a great slasher who finishes extremely well. He's going to be a big load for Big East rivals. I predict Collin Holloway is going to become a star with the potential to play the perimeter at any position. His handles are excellent, he's ambidextrous and he's very, very strong. GU is lucky to have this kid. I don't LeBlanc is half the player that Holloway is. Just my opinion. I think GU has a great recruiting class overall with Tyler Beard, Dante Harris, Kobe Clark, Jamari Sibley and the others. This team is going to surprise a lot of people! Good for Coach Ewing. I wish him the best luck in light of the terrible misfortunes he has heroically confronted. He's a good man and will prevail. Whoa! I agree with a lot of your assessment about Holloway but I think you are under selling LeBlanc's ability. Josh was a force with his effort and athletic ability who didn't have to have a play called for him to be effective, he was the best athlete that Ewing has brought into the program to date. Holloway and LeBlanc are 2 very different players but I agree with you and others that he may be a steal, very skilled player with a lot of upside and a sneaky athlete who's development is behind his talent because of poor competition. Reminds me of Jagan facially and I believe he'll become a fan favorite.... Jagan 2.0
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 8:24:44 GMT -5
Oh by the way, I don't see Wes Unseld or Charles Barkley in Holloway. Unseld was strictly a low post player and dynamite rebounder. I think Holloway, is more agile and more like a wing player but without a jumper or at least without the confidence of shooting from outside. Holloway, is very good getting to the basket and making an array of different shots. He is very effective in that way where as Unseld wasn't that versatile. Barkley was a beast especially in college. There are no players that are like Barkley. He was a unique talent and a very gifted one.
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Post by bornhoya on Jun 8, 2020 8:27:27 GMT -5
I think Collin Holliway reminds me of Collin Holloway let the kid get here and develop then we can see who he reminds us of
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Post by s4hoyas on Jun 8, 2020 8:29:24 GMT -5
"without a jumper or confidence in shooting from the outside"...not true, he's got excellent form is and a good shooter with range per his videos...
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Post by zxhoya on Jun 8, 2020 8:31:50 GMT -5
I think Collin Holliway reminds me of Collin Holloway let the kid get here and develop then we can see who he reminds us of Time to shut down the board, comparisons are not allowed.
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Post by zxhoya on Jun 8, 2020 8:34:27 GMT -5
Oh by the way, I don't see Wes Unseld or Charles Barkley in Holloway. Unseld was strictly a low post player and dynamite rebounder. I think Holloway, is more agile and more like a wing player but without a jumper or at least without the confidence of shooting from outside. Holloway, is very good getting to the basket and making an array of different shots. He is very effective in that way where as Unseld wasn't that versatile. Barkley was a beast especially in college. There are no players that are like Barkley. He was a unique talent and a very gifted one. Zion Williamson, the only player I'd compare to Barkley.
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 8, 2020 9:39:02 GMT -5
Collin Holloway reminds me of Weslely Unseld. The kid is built like Unseld and Barkley. He's good speed for a man his size, very good athleticism, a soft touch on his outside shot, a terrific rebounder, a great slasher who finishes extremely well. He's going to be a big load for Big East rivals. I predict Collin Holloway is going to become a star with the potential to play the perimeter at any position. His handles are excellent, he's ambidextrous and he's very, very strong. GU is lucky to have this kid. I don't LeBlanc is half the player that Holloway is. Just my opinion. I think GU has a great recruiting class overall with Tyler Beard, Dante Harris, Kobe Clark, Jamari Sibley and the others. This team is going to surprise a lot of people! Good for Coach Ewing. I wish him the best luck in light of the terrible misfortunes he has heroically confronted. He's a good man and will prevail. Yikes. Leblanc is already a really good college player and likely to be a future pro.
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Post by bornhoya on Jun 8, 2020 9:44:29 GMT -5
I think Collin Holliway reminds me of Collin Holloway let the kid get here and develop then we can see who he reminds us of Time to shut down the board, comparisons are not allowed. When we comparing kids to players in the hall of fame before they played one college game
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 8, 2020 11:13:47 GMT -5
For those with concerns about shooting, watch the free throws with the State Championship on the line in this 2:00 clip pic.twitter.com/Jaw6foG58e
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 8, 2020 11:27:36 GMT -5
For those with concerns about shooting, watch the free throws with the State Championship on the line in this 2:00 clip pic.twitter.com/Jaw6foG58e Thanks for sharing. Those last 2 minutes to force OT were all Collin. Layup that he made look easy against contact. Was involved with the top of the press (ball went to the other side). Got the rebound after the opponent missed the FT and drew the foul (I was impressed they had him take the ball down the court against a smaller guard, the rest of the team had cleared out). Sank both FTs easy. Then blocks the final shot to ensure OT (I like his defensive instincts, hopefully they carryover against longer players).
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 8, 2020 12:05:34 GMT -5
Time to shut down the board, comparisons are not allowed. When we comparing kids to players in the hall of fame before they played one college game You should look up the definition of the word “compare”. Maybe try “comparison” too. Nobody is trying to equate level of ability...it’s quite a simple concept actually. Not trying to sound like a Edited but it’s literally an elementary concept.
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Post by 757hoya on Jun 8, 2020 12:10:41 GMT -5
At WORST, he looks like a kid that comes off the bench and gives you good minutes, providing different roles on a given night.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 8, 2020 12:41:04 GMT -5
Oh by the way, I don't see Wes Unseld or Charles Barkley in Holloway. Unseld was strictly a low post player and dynamite rebounder. I think Holloway, is more agile and more like a wing player but without a jumper or at least without the confidence of shooting from outside. Holloway, is very good getting to the basket and making an array of different shots. He is very effective in that way where as Unseld wasn't that versatile. Barkley was a beast especially in college. There are no players that are like Barkley. He was a unique talent and a very gifted one. Zion Williamson, the only player I'd compare to Barkley. Hoyasinceewingeria, That is a beautiful story back there about your encounters with the great Patrick Ewing. I can also relate to how you became a huge fan; that’s my story as well. Loved everything about Thompson and the Hoyas in the eighties. Those of us who followed Georgetown back then pine for a resurgence of the team. However it is a different era. Oh, by the way, and also thanks for using paragraphs.
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Post by zxhoya on Jun 8, 2020 13:55:00 GMT -5
Time to shut down the board, comparisons are not allowed. When we comparing kids to players in the hall of fame before they played one college game For me, comparisons and athletics naturally go hand and hand, all sports. The evaluation of players at any level, especially young athletes have and will always be compared to players who came before. Scouts, analysts, players, coaches and life long weekend warriors all use comparisons to evaluate players not to determine how good a player will be but how an individual player might mature as a player. It excites me, traits and certain skills along with body composition and physical attributes or lack of, and then watching it play out over time.... it's really harmless fun, for me anyway.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 8, 2020 15:21:55 GMT -5
Hoyasinceewingeria, That is a beautiful story back there about your encounters with the great Patrick Ewing. I can also relate to how you became a huge fan; that’s my story as well. Loved everything about Thompson and the Hoyas in the eighties. Those of us who followed Georgetown back then pine for a resurgence of the team. However it is a different era. Oh, by the way, and also thanks for using paragraphs. Thank you sir! I knew that a lot of folks who grew up in the 80's could relate to the feelings we had of the Hoyas during those times. As far as my using paragraphs, I had to so that the reader could read and get the point. One last thing, if it were not for Michael Graham who was also a great player during that time and a DC legend, we may not have won that championship. I give Michael Graham all the credit for getting us over the hump by being Patrick's enforcer. I wished Graham could have furthered his career and played with Patrick with the Knicks. He would have been a much better fit than Oakley and not to mention he was a much better player than Oakley. I lost all respect for Oakley dissing Patrick cause Patrick didn't support him on his foolishness in the Gardens. Couldn't agree with you more, friend! No, I understand the paragraphing idea. I was just joshing about it. There is another poster, I think, who writes chapters, or essays, but no paragraphing. As a reader, it can be a bit of a turn off. So you have set a good example, sir.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 8, 2020 20:45:31 GMT -5
Thank you sir! I knew that a lot of folks who grew up in the 80's could relate to the feelings we had of the Hoyas during those times. As far as my using paragraphs, I had to so that the reader could read and get the point. One last thing, if it were not for Michael Graham who was also a great player during that time and a DC legend, we may not have won that championship. I give Michael Graham all the credit for getting us over the hump by being Patrick's enforcer. I wished Graham could have furthered his career and played with Patrick with the Knicks. He would have been a much better fit than Oakley and not to mention he was a much better player than Oakley. I lost all respect for Oakley dissing Patrick cause Patrick didn't support him on his foolishness in the Gardens. Couldn't agree with you more, friend! No, I understand the paragraphing idea. I was just joshing about it. There is another poster, I think, who writes chapters, or essays, but no paragraphing. As a reader, it can be a bit of a turn off. So you have set a good example, sir. I also want to add that I thought that was a great story about the Ewing encounters.
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Post by Gammo on Jun 9, 2020 6:01:16 GMT -5
Dear hoyafansinceewingera,
We are all so enriched by your taking time to tell us your story about meeting Patrick.
It has been a long time since I read something so touching. It is important to share things like that, but it takes a lot to put your story out to others. Thank you very much for that effort.
And thank you very much for reconfirming my gut feeling about the type of man Patrick Ewing is.
Go Hoyas, and please know Coach that we know your work ethic and goodness as a person will bring the success you are chasing for the program.
BTW, we are thrilled to have you on the team Collin!!
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jun 9, 2020 17:03:56 GMT -5
To Gammo, Hoyarooter and MichaelGrahamStylie, guys thank you so much for taking the time out to read my post on Patrick Ewing. I more than appreciate you guys for reading it. I have a couple of more stories of meeting Hoya players and having conversations with them but I won't bore you guys to death with too many stories. I'll just mention that I was good friends with Michael Tate's (transferred to James Madison) cousin and Tate was lot younger than myself and his cousin but we (including Tate) used to play street basketball together as teenagers. If I were 16 Michael must have been 12 or 13. He was a big kid. I met Ronnie Highsmith, known as Sarge, (real cool dude). I met Ronnie at the bookstore and had a number of convos with him. I met Michael Jackson (super cool dude), Perry McDonald (super fly dude), Reggie Williams (real quiet guy). I had conversations with all of these guys but Patrick and Ronnie were the most approachable and down to earth guys that I met from the team. I met Yurt last summer and we had a 5 minute cool convo. My wife and I run a catering company and we were invited by the GU community to bring our food to the campus last summer for the annual farmers market that the university provides for thier students. Yurt came to our stall and bought food from us. While he was buying the food, I told him my Patrick Ewing story but an abridge version. He was fascinated and I told him to make sure he told coach that I said hello, which I believe he did. Anyways, enough about my guy Patrick. I am going to try to start a feed. I am curious to know, who are you guy's all time favorite Hoya players. Also, what I would like to do is come up with Hoya all time teams. First team, second team, third team, fourth team and fifth team. Each team will have 12 guys on the team. Each team has to have at least a starting five a back up five and two more bench players. Each five must have the traditional two forwards, two guards and a center. So for example this would be my first team: Starters, Otto Porter, Michael Graham, Patrick Ewing, Allen Iverson, Eric Floyd. My backup five would be, Jeff Green, David Wingate, Alonzo Mourning, Reggie Williams, John Duren, D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera. My last two would be Junk Yard Dog and Mutombo. I got a lot of scorers and so I need some guys to play D. What do you guys think about this concept? If I start the feed, I would love for you guys to contribute with your Hoya teams! Would you? If so, no transfers can not be on your team. So for example, No Anthony "Redds" Jones, no Josh LeBlanc, No James Akinjo or Mac etc. I kept Michael Graham on the team because he contributed to the only national championship the Hoyas have and he is still truly a Hoya inspite of his transfer. Quick story about Michael Jackson, and the type of person he is. My cousin came to the basketball banquet with my family after the National Championship win. My cousin and I were both in Middle School at the time, and obviously huge Hoya fans. The players were very approachable at the banquets, and we would get their autographs and talk to them. When we went up to Michael Jackson, my cousin thought it would be funny to ask him if he could sing "Beat It." Michael laughed, and the two started talking about basketball. Long story short, they kept in touch and Michael invited him to his family's home for the weekend. My cousin went, they hung out, played basketball (my cousin learned a lot), and they kept in touch with each other through periodic phone calls and letters. About a year after meeting at the banquet, my cousin's father tragically and unexpectedly died, and Michael was so kind and supportive to my cousin. I will always consider him a special person, and that relationship meant the world to a young boy who is now in his 50s.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 9, 2020 19:28:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Collin, but please keep these stories coming, they are the bomb.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 12, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -5
Collin Holloway reminds me of Weslely Unseld. The kid is built like Unseld and Barkley. He's good speed for a man his size, very good athleticism, a soft touch on his outside shot, a terrific rebounder, a great slasher who finishes extremely well. He's going to be a big load for Big East rivals. I predict Collin Holloway is going to become a star with the potential to play the perimeter at any position. His handles are excellent, he's ambidextrous and he's very, very strong. GU is lucky to have this kid. I don't LeBlanc is half the player that Holloway is. Just my opinion. I think GU has a great recruiting class overall with Tyler Beard, Dante Harris, Kobe Clark, Jamari Sibley and the others. This team is going to surprise a lot of people! Good for Coach Ewing. I wish him the best luck in light of the terrible misfortunes he has heroically confronted. He's a good man and will prevail. Patrick Ewing is definitely a good man. I met him twice. Once after he left Georgetown to began his NBA career and then later after he left the NBA just before he retired. In both cases, I met him on campus. In both instance, he was nothing but a gentleman. The first time I met him, was when I was working at the bookstore. The bookstore at that time, was located on the corner of 37th and Prospects or at the bottom of the library. I was 19 at the time. I was always a big Ewng and Hoya fan. In fact, I had just started watching Big East basketall, the year before Patrick came to GU. When Patrick was being recruited by all of these schools, I was praying that Georgetown would get him because he was such a dominant player in high school and he was the number one player in the country. When Georgetown got the big man, my prayers were answered and I thought I had landed into heaven. Patrick and the Hoyas were great that year. That year I really became a big Hoyas fan and have really loved the Hoyas since the year Patrick came. I am a black man who grew up in the rough part of DC as a kid and when Patrick came, the Hoyas became a cultural icon for black kids in all over inner city America. Because of the way they played under coach Thompson during that time, they were a symbol, for young black boys all over the country, of manhood or machoism. They were gritty, tough, mean and they didn't give a damn! Black boys loved the Hoyas all over the country and you could see that in the Hoyas paraphernalia that was worn by kids all over the country. Anyways, back to my meeting Patrick in the bookstore. I was shocked when I saw him and had always wanted to meet Patrick. I think he might have been one year in the NBA at that time. I said to Patrick, Patrick what are you doing here?!!! He said to me, he was taking a summer class. He was in the bookstore to get a finance book for his class. He said to me, he was studying finance so that he could handle his finances while he was in the NBA. We both smiled and he left out the bookstore. About almost 20 years later, I ran into Patrick again. This time, I saw him at Yates field house. I had just come into the field house headed for the basketball courts. I was calling myself going to lose some weight during that time. Years had past and I was no longer working as the stock boy at the bookstore. Years later the bookstore was moved to the middle of the campus. Times had changed over all these years. Georgetown was building a football field in the middle of the campus. When I walked onto the courts, right in the line of my sight was Patrick Ewing and Alonzo Mourning. They both were about done with the NBA. I think Patrick was about to retire and Zo was nearing retirement. They both were on the court practicing some moves even though they both were old men now (NBA standards). When I saw Patrick, he locked eyes on me and gave me a "wha'sup nod". I gleefully, just like I did when I was a kid at the bookstore, yelled Patrick! He said wha'sup and I said with a big smile wha'sup?!!!! He and Zo must have been on the courts for a while because they both were panting especially Zo. I could tell they were about to go and I couldn't wait so I could run up to Patrick and talk to him and remind him about our meeting 20 years earlier in the bookstore. I said to myself if Patrick and Zo stop practicing, I was going to stop practicing and I was going to go talk to Patrick. Just before they stopped practicing, they had switched courts. Now they were on the same court I was on except they were at the other end. I kept looking at Patrick while bouncing the ball and occasionally shooting it at my basket damn near missing every shot. I was too busy paying attention to Patrick and not concentrating. I looked like a complete novice. Anyways, Patrick and Zo was finally done and I turned and we locked eyes again. I said to myself, this is my chance to go talk to Patrick. I didn't want to just tell him about our meeting 20 years earlier in the library when he told me he had come back to campus to take a finance class. I wanted him to know how much he meant to me as kid and how much he and the Hoyas meant to little black boys growing up in the 80's. I had not practiced what I was going to say to him, I just knew I only had a minute to say what I wanted to say. As we locked eyes, I jogged to the side of the court Patrick was on and he waited for me patiently. When I got to the other side, while I was jogging, I extended my hand out to Patrick. As I was approaching, he extended his hand and I began my conversation with, Patrick do you remember that summer your first year in the NBA and you were in the bookstore and I asked you what were you doing back here and you told me you were taking a finance class? He was like with a huge smile "Oh yeah, I do remember that". I said to Patrick, man I just want you to know that you're my favorite all time player. Patrick responded, all man that's alright. He had a surprised happy on his face. I could tell that I must of caught him off guard with my telling him that he is my all time favorite player. Anyways, I felt like I had accomplished my mission as I always wanted to tell Patrick those two things. The story of meeting him years ago in the bookstore and that he was my favorite player. I wanted to say more to him but I didn't want to take up more of his precious time and so I jogged off the court heading for the showers. While I was in the showers, I was thinking all about those many years of watching the Hoyas during the glory days of Patrick and subsequent years after Patrick. I am a big Hoyas fan and I am especially a big Patrick Ewing fan. Anyways, I got the time to talk to Patrick once again but this time much longer. When I got out the shower, Patrick was coming into the locker room area getting ready for the showers. When I saw him coming in, again I yelled Patrick! This time, I begin the conversation with talking about his Hoyas team and the teammates. I asked him about Ralph Dalton, someone he was good friends with in college. He told me that Ralph had a finance job in New York. We talked about so much stuff. I told him how much he and the Hoyas meant to little black boys growing up in the 80's and I told him I really appreciated all that he did. (Sidebar start: I eventually became a big Knicks fan because of Patrick. I loved Bernard King and I was hoping that he and Patrick would team up should the Knicks draft Patrick. The Knicks got Patrick but the Bernard King Patrick Ewing marriage never materialized and I believe it was because Bernard's knees didn't hold up for Patrick first or second season. Sidebar end) I told Patrick that he and Coach Thompson put Georgetown on the map and of how I became a bigger fan of the Hoyas because of Coach and Patrick. We must of talked for at least 20 minutes before Patrick was able to get into the shower. We talked like old friends, like we known each other for 20 years. This is the man Patrick Ewing is. He is truly a gentleman and not just one of my all time favorite players. Patrick is one of my all time favorite persons in history. He is definitely a good man. GREAT POST! It really made me reminisce of why & how I came to be a Georgetown Hoyas fan, a college basketball fan and how I fell in LOVE with the game of basketball overall! I can relate to a lot of what you posted here. I'm a little younger then you. My introduction to Georgetown was the Championship game vs UNC. I was maybe in Kindergarten and had just started an interest in basketball because my uncle introduced me to the game and that time. As a young black kid, Seeing Coach Thompson on the Sideline with his towel was for me like seeing my Grandfather. Back then there were very few Black men on t.v. and even less in positions of power. Very little if any positive black male images. There was no Cosby Show yet or anything I can remember. Even though the Hoyas lost in heartbreaker, I remember falling in love with Georgetown basketball that day and it's been a life long love. I will never forget seeing Coach Thompson console Freddy Brown after the turnover to James Worthy. Because of what John Thompson Jr. represented back then to the upcoming generation of Black men like myself, how he cared & protected his players on and off the court in a world that only wanted to see them fail, and how he used his platform to push forward positive initiatives and open doors/barriers for future black men on and off the court, I will never ever say a bad word about Coach John Thompson Jr. Same for Coach Patrick Ewing! He could have picked any school in the country. He choose a small ish on the cusp basketball program in D.C. & has been it's greatest ambassador since. For what they had to go through & did for young black boys like myself at the time, the level of ignorance they faced; I still remember the game at Villanova with the most distasteful disrespectful, DISCUSTING RACIST banners regarding Coach Ewing, and the idiotic racist questions that Coach Thompson had to endure on the quest to a National Championship. I remember the highest level of class and dignity they carried themselves in the midst of it all. Its because of those moments as young black child that I will always love Georgetown and I will never say one disrespectful thing about either of them or any member of the Hoyas Basketball family!
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