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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 15:46:02 GMT -5
The player who comes to mind when I watch his highlights is Myron Gardner. Myron was a 2/3 and Collin is a 3/4 but they seem to play with the same toughness, strength and determination. Agree. Myron was also a 3-4 from what I saw.
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Post by s4hoyas on Aug 24, 2020 16:07:57 GMT -5
From what I've seen, Collin is a much better shooter...Myron was great at attacking the basket, but struggled with shooting consistency...
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 24, 2020 16:27:10 GMT -5
The player who comes to mind when I watch his highlights is Myron Gardner. Myron was a 2/3 and Collin is a 3/4 but they seem to play with the same toughness, strength and determination. Agree. Myron was also a 3-4 from what I saw. I think the program listed him and played him as a guard. I believe Collin is an 1” taller.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 16:35:48 GMT -5
Agree. Myron was also a 3-4 from what I saw. I think the program listed him and played him as a guard. I believe Collin is an 1” taller. Gotcha. I'm talking about his HS years. To my eye, last season he didn't really show the handle or shot-making from the perimeter you would expect in a 2. Maybe he develops that in the future.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 24, 2020 17:03:20 GMT -5
I think the program listed him and played him as a guard. I believe Collin is an 1” taller. Gotcha. I'm talking about his HS years. To my eye, last season he didn't really show the handle or shot-making from the perimeter you would expect in a 2. Maybe he develops that in the future. Ok. He was raw so I accept your points. I still love what he showed us in the first 1/3 of his freshman season. PEJr. mentioned that we would really miss him on Dawgtalk.
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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Sept 4, 2020 11:56:38 GMT -5
The player who comes to mind almost immediately is Wes Unseld, the great Baltimore Bullets forward who was a great team player, rebounder and leader. Holloway is Unseld plus an outside game. Holloway is going to become a star. Here's some unseld:
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Post by dchoya72 on Sept 4, 2020 16:48:50 GMT -5
I think the program listed him and played him as a guard. I believe Collin is an 1” taller. Gotcha. I'm talking about his HS years. To my eye, last season he didn't really show the handle or shot-making from the perimeter you would expect in a 2. Maybe he develops that in the future. Myron was doing what kept him on the court, hustling and playing strong defense. In my opinion, he was never on the court long enough to feel comfortable shooting jumpers. He was always a little too aggressive going to the hoop. I believe he needed time to relax and get used to playing the offense. In high school, he demonstrated that he could shoot. I believe more was coming if he had stayed. But I understand why he did not stay, and wish him the best.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 4, 2020 17:00:44 GMT -5
The player who comes to mind when I watch his highlights is Myron Gardner. Myron was a 2/3 and Collin is a 3/4 but they seem to play with the same toughness, strength and determination. Agree. Myron was also a 3-4 from what I saw. Personally I think Myron was a 2/3 ultimately, but a 3 in college. Not only are you who you can guard (he could guard 1-4 in college), but he was also an above average passer and more effective playing outside-in. His handle was fairly raw and appeared loose, but he actually handled the ball well and got to where he wanted/his spots with his dribble well. To me, well enough to play several minutes at the 2 as a freshman even but obviously we never got the chance to see. I think James/Terrell/Mac/Jahvon/Jagan (and possibly Galen) had better handle, but that’s the list. Were you able to see him during Kenner? That’s without mentioning his defensive chops. Reminded me somewhat of the way Greg earned minutes with his defense as a freshman. They both moved their feet as good or better than any hoyas in the last 15 or so years that I can recall. It was glaringly apparent how elite Greg’s (lateral) foot speed on defense was during a BE game against Marquette his freshman year....IIRC it was the game where we came back from 17 down (could’ve been the other matchup though) and DJO was in the middle of a hot streak before that game and in the second half coach put Greg on him and he completely bottles him up, cutting off his drives from the top of the key to his dominant hand over and over again. Jason took care of things on the other end and willed us to victory. I believe it may have been Jt Jr. that commented during preseason of his freshman year that Greg could end up one of, if not the, best defenders in Hoya history (in part due to his versatility as well). Myron gave me that type/flavor of confidence (not necessarily the same level) with his defensive game....and no it has little to do with his performance in the Bahamas for those that may assume I’m extrapolating from those games. But man....I don’t know who caught Myron’s Kenner game in the middle/end of the season but he brought the ball up court one possession and nobody stopped his dribble and he attacked the basket, took off from around the free throw line and threw down a monster right hand hammer. I’ve seen many players play in Kenner who can dunk (thinking James Gist, Jeff Allen, Jeff Green, KD, etc. etc) but Myron’s was bar none one of the most impressive ones I have seen in that setting. It was just a wild feat of in game athleticism and iq, he’s going to be a dog wherever he ends up. Such a high ceiling. If he can quicken up that release the sky is the limit. Speaking of I saw a video of Mulmore recently...for those who haven’t kept up with him since he left, he’s playing professionally somewhere and has evidently worked hard on his jumper....if you want to go down a mini “what if” rabbit hole, check out his recent clips...
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 11, 2021 16:44:14 GMT -5
Collin with 7 minutes in crunch time today. He had a big board and an assist. Don’t sleep on him to eat up minutes at the 4 next year.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Mar 11, 2021 22:33:51 GMT -5
I actually really like what I see from a skill/IQ perspective. Kid needs to spend the entire offseason working on S&C as I think you've got something if he gets quicker/more agile.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2021 23:10:17 GMT -5
I do not understand the reasoning behind Ewing using him today (versus Sibley, for example) after he largely rode the bench all year, and I liked what I saw on offense a few games ago in garbage time, but he was solid in the second half tonight, which is what he needed. It may just be a matter of game jitters, but to me he seemed more unsure on defense than offense.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 11, 2021 23:19:22 GMT -5
I do not understand the reasoning behind Ewing using him today (versus Sibley, for example) after he largely rode the bench all year, and I liked what I saw on offense a few games ago in garbage time, but he was solid in the second half tonight, which is what he needed. It may just be a matter of game jitters, but to me he seemed more unsure on defense than offense. Simple. They needed someone who could check Big Butt on the switches and Holloway is the only one with the heft on the bench to not get bulldozed.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 12, 2021 5:48:06 GMT -5
He was also pretty composed. The moment was not too big for this freshman. Maybe that contributed to his selection.
Villanova is also very good at using lower center of gravity to defeat size on rebounding. Collin was giving RJE a taste of their own medicine.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 12, 2021 7:25:23 GMT -5
This one goes back a bit but Collin has some Chevy Troutman in his game.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2021 10:19:50 GMT -5
I do not understand the reasoning behind Ewing using him today (versus Sibley, for example) after he largely rode the bench all year, and I liked what I saw on offense a few games ago in garbage time, but he was solid in the second half tonight, which is what he needed. It may just be a matter of game jitters, but to me he seemed more unsure on defense than offense. Simple. They needed someone who could check Big Butt on the switches and Holloway is the only one with the heft on the bench to not get bulldozed. This! Plus, he’s solid. Not sure if anyone took the time to study the path he took to snatch the offensive rebound just before half. Yes, he missed the lefty layup but he sides and zagged to the basket so intuitively to get the board...the kid is just comfortable out there.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 12, 2021 10:30:26 GMT -5
Simple. They needed someone who could check Big Butt on the switches and Holloway is the only one with the heft on the bench to not get bulldozed. This! Plus, he’s solid. Not sure if anyone took the time to study the path he took to snatch the offensive rebound just before half. Yes, he missed the lefty layup but he sides and zagged to the basket so intuitively to get the board...the kid is just comfortable out there. I would believe the staff thought it was a match up thing and that Holloway would match up better than Sibley against JRE in the post. Holloway is stronger/more stout, where Sibley is quicker and more athletic.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Mar 12, 2021 11:06:03 GMT -5
I loved the drive and left-handed bounce pass down the baseline to find Pickett for a corner 3. Don't really have anyone on the team that has made that pass this year.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2021 12:38:37 GMT -5
This! Plus, he’s solid. Not sure if anyone took the time to study the path he took to snatch the offensive rebound just before half. Yes, he missed the lefty layup but he sides and zagged to the basket so intuitively to get the board...the kid is just comfortable out there. I would believe the staff thought it was a match up thing and that Holloway would match up better than Sibley against JRE in the post. Holloway is stronger/more stout, where Sibley is quicker and more athletic. Jamorko couldn’t stop JRE in the post. Not sure how Sibley who is skinnier and weaker is supposed to stop Big Butt. That’s coaching right there. Big man experience and wisdom. Coach knew that JRE was gonna use his big behind to back into and lock down Jamorko and Sibley and take away their athleticism. Villanova also had another big boy in Short Shorts Dixon. Coach used his coaching super computer and quickly identified Holloway as someone who JRE couldn’t beat off the dribble (like Q and Big Tim) but couldn’t dominate inside cause of Holloway’s strength and mass. That coaching decision won us the game IMO. Even with Dante’s heroics, given the foul trouble to Bile, Q and Big Tim, we don’t win this game without Coach making the perfect move and Holloway making the most of his opportunity.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 12, 2021 13:13:21 GMT -5
I do not understand the reasoning behind Ewing using him today (versus Sibley, for example) after he largely rode the bench all year, and I liked what I saw on offense a few games ago in garbage time, but he was solid in the second half tonight, which is what he needed. It may just be a matter of game jitters, but to me he seemed more unsure on defense than offense. He was a better option yesterday than Tim. Tim was getting beat in every way and Malcolm wouldn't have been able to stick JRE either. Holloway wasn't great yesterday, but he was solid as you said and he gave us pretty good minutes. I don't think we see him much today, but he was our best non-Q matchup for JRE.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 14, 2021 10:10:19 GMT -5
Watching the Creighton replay...Collin is relentless going for rebounds and loose balls. He may not be the most physically gifted, but there is plenty of dawg inside. I can see why he contributes.
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