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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 5, 2020 9:47:03 GMT -5
Hoyas4Ever, Loved your thoughtful analysis of our most recent addition, Holloway. Similarly, I love the whole class of freshmen the coaching staff has brought in. Wished we could have picked up a veteran, but team cohesion and growing together seems like what we are going for. Also, dialing back on the egos and celebrity status.
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Post by blazers32 on Jun 5, 2020 10:51:45 GMT -5
I'll all the question again, I get that holloway may not be 3/4 star player. Buy didn't area state schools like LSU, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi and Miss St offer him? Posting negativity on every thread tonight? what I said wasn't negative. Just asking why didn't other schools in his area recruit and offer him...
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 5, 2020 11:19:10 GMT -5
Your lens sure seems negative to me.
Maybe Darrel Owens isn’t scouting talent for them
Owens said the hs coach and Wade weren’t on good terms.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 5, 2020 12:06:57 GMT -5
Hoyas and URI listed Walker at 6’9, but if you measured him that’s cool. 😎 Different Walker, I think they are talking about Kentucky's Antione Walker, he was listed at 6'9 but he defintiely wasnt that tall. the Hoyas one is Antawn Walker Yeah I was talking about UK's Walker. But once again I'm not saying Collin is anywhere near that level. Just saying I see talent and I like the addition.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 6, 2020 15:55:46 GMT -5
Which major talented kids does he mean? Players around #100 or less are not major talent. Real athletes and basketball players don’t use a rivals ranking system to asses talent. They have eyes and a brain that are superior in evaluating talent. Not to mention I’m not sure if you’re being difficult or actually confused, but high school ranking coming into college don’t mean much if we have a body of work to work with he’s obviously talking about the players who left this year. And as much as you’re a slave to numbers and a rankings system, Mac/James/Josh showed by the end of their freshman seasons that they were all top 50 players in that class at the BARE MINIMUM, if not top 20-25 really. So again, you really want to argue those players weren’t talented (because you’re frustrated others have the ability to see through politically motivated rankings where you can’t)? Sorry I hadn't seen your post before. There's another thread on number and rankings, so I guess a lot of posters are being difficult or confused. Agree to disagree on Mac/James/Josh re: "all top 50 players in that class at the BARE MINIMUM, if not top 20-25 really." Just like fellow BE Frosh Team members Blair and Pickett, Mac/James/Josh benefited from available playing time due to poor roster competition and construction. Their efficiency levels did not deserve the pt they received, as results showed, but there was no better alternative. If we accept your evaluation, three top 20-25 freshmen plus Govan and Pickett is an NCAA Tournament team, not an NIT first round loser vs. Harvard at home. I would agree if you said that the three outplayed their final hs rankings their frosh year, but they were not "major talent" as the op opined. Btw, with all of the playing time available next year, expect at least a couple of Hoya freshmen as part of the BE All-Frosh Team.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 7, 2020 1:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 8:07:10 GMT -5
I saw a video on another page and immediately I noticed he doesn't shoot jumpers which at first I was thinking that is not a good thing. We need shooters is what we all know to be true. However when I watched the first video on this page, I began to smile. Nope, I didn't see enough jumpers by Holloway that shows he has confidence in his jump shot. However, when I watched the first video on this page, immediately an image came to my vision.
I started seeing a player that used to haunt Georgetown damn near every game. This guy had no jumper but he was highly effective with his underhand scoop shots. This guy was not only effective against Georgetown, this guy was effective against the whole Big East. The guy I'm talking about, whose name escapes me, was All American in the Big East if my memory serves me correctly. Holloway has a lot of this guy's game with his penchant to drive to the basket and the need to take high probability shots. The guy Holloway's game remind me of played for Butler. I believed he played the small forward position. He was a small small forward. Does anyone know who I am thinking of?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 8:25:38 GMT -5
Rooservelt Jones, that is the guy whose Holloway's game reminds me of! Rooservelt was a killer with no jumper. When I watch Holloway's vid, I see Rooservelt Jones!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 8:37:34 GMT -5
Just watched the second video and more and more I am really starting to like Holloway's game. No, he doesn't shoot jumpers but he is a highly effective bucket getter. I love that he is a slasher something that we need on this team. He also has an array of different ways to get the ball in the basket when he drives to the basket. I love that in his game.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 7, 2020 9:01:20 GMT -5
By "want to be Hoyas" I mean they are buying how Patrick wants his team and program to operate. Obviously we won't see anything about on the court performance until they can hit the court but all of the new recruits have talked about hitting the gym hard and mostly HAVE hit the gym hard to have a successful senior high school season (which is why many are under the radar). I look forward to your comments about how some of these guys were never real Hoyas when they inevitably transfer.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 7, 2020 9:02:43 GMT -5
By "want to be Hoyas" I mean they are buying how Patrick wants his team and program to operate. Obviously we won't see anything about on the court performance until they can hit the court but all of the new recruits have talked about hitting the gym hard and mostly HAVE hit the gym hard to have a successful senior high school season (which is why many are under the radar). I look forward to your comments about how some of these guys were never real Hoyas when they inevitably transfer. I have never commented anything like that about anyone who has transferred. Go crawl back into your hole.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 7, 2020 9:03:05 GMT -5
I will say it again—and oh, by the way, the last couple of years has borne me out on this—it is not about the ranking. Mosley went four years. We all wished we had him for one more year. Moseley learned, he grew. Plus he had the winning attitude. You will develop a winning tradition more from attrition, patience, perseverance, and doing all of the little things that teams need to do to win. Love to see the approach that the coaching staff seems to be adopting. We can contribute by being welcoming, supportive, and patient as the team grow into the power house we all want. Patience. I can give two hoot about what a player is/was ranked. Let me see him knock down shots, play defense, and buy into the team at all cost concept. I bet you there is a very high correlation between good teams and good recruiting rankings.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 7, 2020 9:14:27 GMT -5
Ideally, you want higher ranked players. You also need to keep these players in the program.
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Post by 757hoya on Jun 7, 2020 9:59:55 GMT -5
More important than anything right now is that we bring in the RIGHT players that WANT to be here. I want young men that are team first guys, not me first. Stars and rankings don't really concern me at this juncture. We were not going to pull in this stud class with a bunch of highly-touted players and restore our former glory. Not with the optics surrounding the program right now. We're a program that has to rebuild itself on a grass roots level.
I really like this class. We've got kids who seem like they have a chip on their shoulder coming in. Guys who you can see great talent and potential but may have been overlooked to a certain degree. This is PE's chance to show he can cultivate talent and build the roster back from shambles.
I understand the trepitation with some posters. But I think PE has to get the right kind of character in his locker room at this time. And alot of times that type of personality isn't going to come in the physical package you may want.
I like Holloway's game. May not be uber athletic but he's a piece that fits well next to other athletic wings. He can put it on the floor, has a good stroke and he's savy in and around that midrange area. There's alot there to develop. He could really be a kid that could surprise ppl two years from now who slept on his skillset.
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Post by bornhoya on Jun 7, 2020 10:29:44 GMT -5
Rooservelt Jones, that is the guy whose Holloway's game reminds me of! Rooservelt was a killer with no jumper. When I watch Holloway's vid, I see Rooservelt Jones! If he plays D like jones then we have something
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 7, 2020 12:20:35 GMT -5
More important than anything right now is that we bring in the RIGHT players that WANT to be here. I want young men that are team first guys, not me first. Stars and rankings don't really concern me at this juncture. We were not going to pull in this stud class with a bunch of highly-touted players and restore our former glory. Not with the optics surrounding the program right now. We're a program that has to rebuild itself on a grass roots level. I really like this class. We've got kids who seem like they have a chip on their shoulder coming in. Guys who you can see great talent and potential but may have been overlooked to a certain degree. This is PE's chance to show he can cultivate talent and build the roster back from shambles. I understand the trepitation with some posters. But I think PE has to get the right kind of character in his locker room at this time. And alot of times that type of personality isn't going to come in the physical package you may want. I like Holloway's game. May not be uber athletic but he's a piece that fits well next to other athletic wings. He can put it on the floor, has a good stroke and he's savy in and around that midrange area. There's alot there to develop. He could really be a kid that could surprise ppl two years from now who slept on his skillset. Great post!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 13:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jun 7, 2020 15:49:49 GMT -5
If this kid turns into a Jabril Trawick (he's about his size now) then i'd be extremely happy with this pickup given the other recruits we've landed. I'd hoped we'd have that type in Gardner but that didn't work out.
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 7, 2020 16:32:03 GMT -5
Let's pick the one guy who was an effective despite having a broke jumper as who he is similar to and not all of the other guys with broke jumpers who weren't good because they can't shoot.
I watched his videos where everyone is supposed to look good. He is playing terrible comp and doesn't really stand out. He doesn't look like a Big East talent and that's why he's ranked where he is.
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Post by mdtd on Jun 7, 2020 17:07:42 GMT -5
Rooservelt Jones, that is the guy whose Holloway's game reminds me of! Rooservelt was a killer with no jumper. When I watch Holloway's vid, I see Rooservelt Jones! I really like this comparison. Holloway and Jones are similar heights, they were both strong dudes who could play both the guard and forward and were slashers. If i remember correctly, Jones had a really nice little floater and he was a pretty weird player to guard. He was strong yet smooth without the jumpshot. I think Roosevelt did take a little to develop into the guy we saw him as (Butler was in the A-10 and potentially the Horizon when he was there, too) and I think Holloway will be the same. Very similar playstyles, both slasher minded and strong. This is a really nice comparison.
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