dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 4, 2020 7:06:05 GMT -5
Collin Holloway, welcome to the Georgetown Hoyas. The waters are troubled, come in and make your mark. All Hoyas must compete!
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 4, 2020 8:34:46 GMT -5
There are so many fans stuck in the past with their Nostalgic thoughts. It's not about getting back to what was in the past. And there isn't some formula to get there. It's about adapting to the modern landscape and and creating a new identity. That brand you all loved is dead.
And there isn't some strategy to "Get kids that love Georgetown". We happen to be getting kids whose best option by far is Georgetown. That's not a good thing. They'd love some other bigger programs if they came calling.
We have far too many kids who weren't desirable to P5 programs. It's frightening.
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Jun 4, 2020 8:54:31 GMT -5
We had a scholarship open, Ewing filled it, and I, for one, think we should use the scholarships the NCAA allows us to have. Of course, if Jalen Carey announces he's transferring to GU, this will become a very busy conversation. Things always work themselves out.
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dense
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Post by dense on Jun 4, 2020 8:57:25 GMT -5
There are so many fans stuck in the past with their Nostalgic thoughts. It's not about getting back to what was in the past. And there isn't some formula to get there. It's about adapting to the modern landscape and and creating a new identity. That brand you all loved is dead. And there isn't some strategy to "Get kids that love Georgetown". We happen to be getting kids whose best option by far is Georgetown. That's not a good thing. They'd love some other bigger programs if they came calling. We have far too many kids who weren't desirable to P5 programs. It's frightening. Ehhh, I think normally this might be true but the landscape we are in now. I think COVID stopped a lot of scouting late in the year. Now Holloway is definitely a kid I think that most programs thought was a undersized 4, but he reminds me of Jaron Brown from those Pitt teams of Howland. We'll see if he can flip his game to being a perimeter player mainly. What was encouraging is his team had him bring the ball up even being the biggest person on the team.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Jun 4, 2020 9:59:25 GMT -5
Welcome to the Hilltop Collin, hope you can settle in and get to work soon. Don’t mind the negative ninnies and twits on this board - you know you can ball and Pat’s gonna coach you up. Make your mark and we can make all the naysayers eat their words later. Anybody who watches this video and doesn’t think the kid can ball should watch chess of sailing or something cause you don’t know dick
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jun 4, 2020 10:10:13 GMT -5
There are so many fans stuck in the past with their Nostalgic thoughts. It's not about getting back to what was in the past. And there isn't some formula to get there. It's about adapting to the modern landscape and and creating a new identity. That brand you all loved is dead. And there isn't some strategy to "Get kids that love Georgetown". We happen to be getting kids whose best option by far is Georgetown. That's not a good thing. They'd love some other bigger programs if they came calling. We have far too many kids who weren't desirable to P5 programs. It's frightening. It seems to me we are trying to dig out of the hole in the only way possible, since we are currently unable to recruit highly ranked players. So, we recruit from the next tier and hope that a few of them play well above their ranking, resulting in a successful year and an improved image. Then, we play again in the top tier. Apart from fretting over the current state of the program, do you have another idea about how to improve the team? Focus only on top recruits who are not interested in Georgetown at the moment?
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jun 4, 2020 10:57:42 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that we weren't able to hit on a higher profile transfer, but Holloway looks like he has some great intangibles. I'd like to see 1/2 of Clarke/Harris/Berger/Holloway redshirt unless they really show something early on just because the rotation has a lot of seniors getting heavy minutes next year. Would allow someone like this guy/harris/berger to use that year to get their body in shape and develop without the pressure of games.
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blazers32
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Post by blazers32 on Jun 4, 2020 11:25:00 GMT -5
Of course, if Jalen Carey announces he's transferring to GU, this will become a very busy conversation. Things always work themselves out. we are out of scholarships. Carey is a rhoad island lean from what I'm reading
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HOYAPLAYA
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IT'S TIME FOR A RUNNNNNNN!!!!!!
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jun 4, 2020 11:35:55 GMT -5
There are so many fans stuck in the past with their Nostalgic thoughts. It's not about getting back to what was in the past. And there isn't some formula to get there. It's about adapting to the modern landscape and and creating a new identity. That brand you all loved is dead. And there isn't some strategy to "Get kids that love Georgetown". We happen to be getting kids whose best option by far is Georgetown. That's not a good thing. They'd love some other bigger programs if they came calling. We have far too many kids who weren't desirable to P5 programs. It's frightening. Ehhh, I think normally this might be true but the landscape we are in now. I think COVID stopped a lot of scouting late in the year. Now Holloway is definitely a kid I think that most programs thought was a undersized 4, but he reminds me of Jaron Brown from those Pitt teams of Howland. We'll see if he can flip his game to being a perimeter player mainly. What was encouraging is his team had him bring the ball up even being the biggest person on the team. And the fact that he was able to make some nice passes to the perimeter off of drives to the basket. Seems to be an all around player that can definitely develop into something solid. I think there are a lot of posters that would rather see a bunch of dunks, alley oops or showboat passes in highlights. I'm not interested in all of that as i want as many sound basketball players as possible on the roster and see where that takes us
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 4, 2020 11:36:33 GMT -5
Welcome to the hilltop Collin.
We had so many scholarships that we're ok getting developmental guys. If all newcomers thought they would be starting, it would cause chemistry issues again. As long as he's ready to work and buy in, that's all I can ask for from a Hoya. This Freshman class is so big that Patrick has been able to fill it with under the radar guys without too much risk. Some will outperform, some will underperform. Some will play all 4, some will leave early. In the end, we have guys that have good IQ, are willing to share the ball, and seem to be workers but most of all want to be HOYAS.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jun 4, 2020 12:00:55 GMT -5
Think he means Perry McDonald
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Jun 4, 2020 12:14:38 GMT -5
Every player looks good in their highlights, that's the whole point of them.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 4, 2020 12:45:00 GMT -5
In the end, we have guys that have good IQ, are willing to share the ball, and seem to be workers but most of all want to be HOYAS. At this point, this is complete guesswork. None of them have played together, we really don't know about their good IQ or ball handling at the college level, and absent Kenner League we're not going to see this team together until November. Maybe I'm not understanding the quote above, "most of all want to be HOYAS." Doesn't every signee want to be where they signed? No one is forced to be at Georgetown. If Holloway signed with Wichita State or McNeese, I'm sure he would want to be there, too.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 4, 2020 12:56:24 GMT -5
When this kid gets the baby fat off he is gonna be a problem. Reminds me of Antione Walker. Not as good but a similar all around high IQ game.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 4, 2020 13:02:33 GMT -5
Score cards, score cards, can’t tell the players without a score card.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 4, 2020 13:27:01 GMT -5
In the end, we have guys that have good IQ, are willing to share the ball, and seem to be workers but most of all want to be HOYAS. At this point, this is complete guesswork. None of them have played together, we really don't know about their good IQ or ball handling at the college level, and absent Kenner League we're not going to see this team together until November. Maybe I'm not understanding the quote above, "most of all want to be HOYAS." Doesn't every signee want to be where they signed? No one is forced to be at Georgetown. If Holloway signed with Wichita State or McNeese, I'm sure he would want to be there, too. I also don't get the "want to be Hoyas" line either. I mean, as far as I know, LeBlanc, Akinjo, and McClung all really wanted to be Hoyas, too, and made comments positive about Georgetown. There's a tendency to rip on kids once they leave, but I think it's silly. People change and their circumstances change. There's a good chance that of the incoming freshman, one or more will not be on the roster in 2 years. It's just the way modern basketball works. Of course, the big difference isn't that we lost a few guys, but that we lost 4 guys, and 3 were supposed to be part of the core of our team. That's what's abnormal. As far as Holloway, you cannot say he doesn't know what he's coming into. He knows we had a depleted roster and now there are a ton of new players. So, at least in his case, I don't think it will be shocking if there is a lack of playing time.
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dense
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Post by dense on Jun 4, 2020 13:47:52 GMT -5
Every player looks good in their highlights, that's the whole point of them. I agree thats why I try to find multiple whole games before I make any opinion.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 4, 2020 13:57:23 GMT -5
By "want to be Hoyas" I mean they are buying how Patrick wants his team and program to operate. Obviously we won't see anything about on the court performance until they can hit the court but all of the new recruits have talked about hitting the gym hard and mostly HAVE hit the gym hard to have a successful senior high school season (which is why many are under the radar).
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 4, 2020 15:22:34 GMT -5
When this kid gets the baby fat off he is gonna be a problem. Reminds me of Antione Walker. Not as good but a similar all around high IQ game. Walker is 6’9 and Holloway 6’6. I would love to have a legitimate PF, but we just landed another SF/wing. Hard to bang at 6’6 in the BE. Hope he surprises.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jun 4, 2020 15:57:18 GMT -5
There are so many fans stuck in the past with their Nostalgic thoughts. It's not about getting back to what was in the past. And there isn't some formula to get there. It's about adapting to the modern landscape and and creating a new identity. That brand you all loved is dead. And there isn't some strategy to "Get kids that love Georgetown". We happen to be getting kids whose best option by far is Georgetown. That's not a good thing. They'd love some other bigger programs if they came calling. We have far too many kids who weren't desirable to P5 programs. It's frightening. It seems to me we are trying to dig out of the hole in the only way possible, since we are currently unable to recruit highly ranked players. So, we recruit from the next tier and hope that a few of them play well above their ranking, resulting in a successful year and an improved image. Then, we play again in the top tier.Apart from fretting over the current state of the program, do you have another idea about how to improve the team? Focus only on top recruits who are not interested in Georgetown at the moment? I agree that it's probably the only way the current staff can try to dig out of the hole they've created. The point that many have made on this board is that there may be an alternative to watching the current staff try to dig out of that hole: finding other staff who may make it possible to move from "currently unable to recruit highly ranked players" to "able to recruit highly ranked players." And I'm not including Ewing in that last statement, so don't read it as such. The AD and program made a conscious decision to try and dig. I hope, for their sake and ours, that it works out for them.
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