iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Jun 3, 2020 17:04:40 GMT -5
The Louisiana connection continues. Nice work Coach Kirby. Love having young men who've won state titles.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jun 3, 2020 17:09:51 GMT -5
Here is the quote from Darrel Owens on FB "I think his film is a little misleading. I played him last week and I can tell u guys he will be a bull. I’ve been following him all four years of highschool and thought highly of him. His highschool coach and cousin is a good friend of mine. He’s strong as an ox and he can dunk on anybody at anytime. I’m glad he’s in the family. He’s a great kid also." What FB Account is this from?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 17:17:37 GMT -5
I've had an account with this forum for at least a year now and never commented. I've never replied to a comment. I have been watching the forum for a few years now (without having commented). I will be commenting and replying to comments periodically from now on and I will be watching and reading on a daily basis like I usually do. The reason why I didn't comment in the past is because you guys are sooooo negative. I sometimes wonder if you guys are real Hoyas fans. It's amazing to me to see how some of you guys wish someone (a top player) not come to Georgetown. Sometimes I am wondering if some of you posters are fans or coaches from other schools talking against Georgetown.
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Post by TC on Jun 3, 2020 17:23:22 GMT -5
I've had an account with this forum for at least a year now and never commented. I've never replied to a comment. I have been watching the forum for a few years now (without having commented). I will be commenting and replying to comments periodically from now on and I will be watching and reading on a daily basis like I usually do. The reason why I didn't comment in the past is because you guys are sooooo negative. I sometimes wonder if you guys are real Hoyas fans. It's amazing to me to see how some of you guys wish someone (a top player) not come to Georgetown. Sometimes I am wondering if some of you posters are fans or coaches from other schools talking against Georgetown. "Hey guys, longtime listener, first time caller, you all suck." Could we keep this thread about Holloway?
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2020 17:27:18 GMT -5
I've had an account with this forum for at least a year now and never commented. I've never replied to a comment. I have been watching the forum for a few years now (without having commented). I will be commenting and replying to comments periodically from now on and I will be watching and reading on a daily basis like I usually do. The reason why I didn't comment in the past is because you guys are sooooo negative. I sometimes wonder if you guys are real Hoyas fans. It's amazing to me to see how some of you guys wish someone (a top player) not come to Georgetown. Sometimes I am wondering if some of you posters are fans or coaches from other schools talking against Georgetown. "Hey guys, longtime listener, first time caller, you all suck." Could we keep this thread about Holloway? No surprise the biggest troll on this board doesn’t like the mean words said about trolls ruining this board. Even your “keep this thread on Holloway” is bogus, everyone knows you literally aim to derail every thread into a discussion about why everyone on the staff needs to go because nothing has visibly/publicly changed between yesterday and today. Why don’t you actually listen to what people say (the very well thought out, courageous and sincere post from a new poster) instead of looking for every opportunity to make your beliefs known over and over and over again? You don’t have to show your lack of class to every new poster in every new post you make. The quality of your basketball analysis isn’t strong enough to justify all the harm you to to our Georgetown basketball program by spewing your negativity at every sign of positivity or development. You offer nothing and detract from the job the staff is trying to do. I don’t know how many other ways to say it but you, your attitude, the words you use, etc. are a harm to Georgetown basketball and it’s brand, so I don’t understand why you behave the way you do if you actually support this program and want it to succeed. Support doesn’t mean you have to be unconditionally positive, just that you show empathy and a little class in understanding great things aren’t accomplished overnight. If it were that easy, everyone would be successful. Like DJ said, this is an oven process, it’s not a microwave dinner. And those seeking microwave solutions don’t understand how true, lasting success Is achieved. Ewing is trying to build something that will last. Not build something that will be here today and gone tomorrow. You can continue to believe what you want to believe and be confused and hoodwinked by the Cals, the Ks, the Wades, he’ll even the Trumps of the world, but just know your idea of what breeds success is highly questionable. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jun 3, 2020 17:31:37 GMT -5
More from Darrel Owens: “he switched schools his senior year so he basically went unnoticed being at catholic highschool in Baton Rouge. Also bounced around AAU teams that didn’t have his best interest. I noticed he turned the corner summer of his sophomore year and basically dominated the state this year with a state title to finish it off and MVP. The fans should chill. What has bringing in major talented kids got us the last couple of years besides headaches. This kid is pretty good and can definitely play on this level.” “also if the staff could bring in 4 five ⭐️ kids they would just like every other major school. Unfortunately we still have to develop and win to attract those kids at the present time. We don’t pay kids remember? It takes time to get back. It’s an oven not a microwaveable process.” Which major talented kids does he mean? Players around #100 or less are not major talent.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jun 3, 2020 17:32:18 GMT -5
He looks taller than 6'5, he's a forward for sure!
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2020 17:44:20 GMT -5
More from Darrel Owens: “he switched schools his senior year so he basically went unnoticed being at catholic highschool in Baton Rouge. Also bounced around AAU teams that didn’t have his best interest. I noticed he turned the corner summer of his sophomore year and basically dominated the state this year with a state title to finish it off and MVP. The fans should chill. What has bringing in major talented kids got us the last couple of years besides headaches. This kid is pretty good and can definitely play on this level.” “also if the staff could bring in 4 five ⭐️ kids they would just like every other major school. Unfortunately we still have to develop and win to attract those kids at the present time. We don’t pay kids remember? It takes time to get back. It’s an oven not a microwaveable process.” Which major talented kids does he mean? Players around #100 or less are not major talent. Real athletes and basketball players don’t use a rivals ranking system to asses talent. They have eyes and a brain that are superior in evaluating talent. Not to mention I’m not sure if you’re being difficult or actually confused, but high school ranking coming into college don’t mean much if we have a body of work to work with he’s obviously talking about the players who left this year. And as much as you’re a slave to numbers and a rankings system, Mac/James/Josh showed by the end of their freshman seasons that they were all top 50 players in that class at the BARE MINIMUM, if not top 20-25 really. So again, you really want to argue those players weren’t talented (because you’re frustrated others have the ability to see through politically motivated rankings where you can’t)?
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 3, 2020 17:44:58 GMT -5
Not going to knock a kid who wants to come here. And if he signed before Harris or Berger they’d be the ones getting the scrutiny and not him.
That being said, if I can comment on our recruiting strategy for a minute, I don’t see another team in the BE signing 5 unranked kids over the last two years. Rankings aren’t everything but they aren’t nothing either. Also I’d prefer not to lock up a 4 year scholarship at this point, and class balance is pretty poor as it stands now. But I digress.
Regardless of everything I just said, welcome Collin and congrats on your decision to come to Georgetown!
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2020 17:45:12 GMT -5
He looks taller than 6'5, he's a forward for sure! Reminds me of Kaleb. In his clips it looks like he’s barely ever worked on his body/explosion. If so I could see how a summer of work before his senior season could’ve completely elevated his game.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2020 17:48:27 GMT -5
Not going to knock a kid who wants to come here. And if he signed before Harris or Berger they’d be the ones getting the scrutiny and not him. That being said, I don’t see another team in the BE signing 5 unranked kids over the last two years. Rankings aren’t everything but they aren’t nothing either. Also I’d prefer not to lock up a 4 year scholarship at this point, and class balance is pretty poor as it stands now. Regardless of everything I just said, welcome Collin and congrats on your decision to come to Georgetown! Fair, and I understand how opportunity/minutes factor in and are weighted, but I also don’t see any other BE teams placing so many players in the All frosh teams. Even so, not any college freshman can contribute just because they have minutes in front of them. If anything, players outside the 150 are even harder to get ready to hit the ground running. Ewing and his staff know how to get players ready, so all we need it good players with good tools who have the right mindset. Say what you want about the rankings, but people keep acting like Ewing and the staff don’t have a natural eye for talent. They do. Not to mention people are getting bent out of shape about players who are at the end of the roster. Things work themselves out. I sense the staff will look to redshirt at least one in this class. What matters more than what you did in high school is what you do in college. Let’s give these guys a chance to compete, they certainly wouldn’t be the last players to play better in college than they did in high school. I know some are in denial about the fact, but there are plenty of players who play better in college, and a lot who play worse. It takes a different skill set to do well in college for most positions/roles. And for those not aware (I’m sure many are but it bares reiterating with such a glaring lack of understanding around these boards these days) the high school ranking systems are designed to assess and rank a players talent as it relates to their professional ability, not their potential for being successful in college. They do not really try to factor in college development and college fit and have certainly moved further and further away from that over the years. I mention this because they are often two pretty different styles of basketball and sometimes the things that work well at one level don’t at another and vice versa.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 3, 2020 17:59:13 GMT -5
More from Darrel Owens: “he switched schools his senior year so he basically went unnoticed being at catholic highschool in Baton Rouge. Also bounced around AAU teams that didn’t have his best interest. I noticed he turned the corner summer of his sophomore year and basically dominated the state this year with a state title to finish it off and MVP. The fans should chill. What has bringing in major talented kids got us the last couple of years besides headaches. This kid is pretty good and can definitely play on this level.” “also if the staff could bring in 4 five ⭐️ kids they would just like every other major school. Unfortunately we still have to develop and win to attract those kids at the present time. We don’t pay kids remember? It takes time to get back. It’s an oven not a microwaveable process.” If someone is good enough they get noticed. Take it from one who wasn’t and didn’t. Haha hahahahah no. And from a common sense/logical perspective this wouldn’t even make sense. Someone who was never good enough to be pursued is the last person who’d have a sense of whether or not talent is enough to get noticed. If you were being sarcastic maybe hit the “/s” next time.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 3, 2020 18:07:08 GMT -5
Here is the quote from Darrel Owens on FB "I think his film is a little misleading. I played him last week and I can tell u guys he will be a bull. I’ve been following him all four years of highschool and thought highly of him. His highschool coach and cousin is a good friend of mine. He’s strong as an ox and he can dunk on anybody at anytime. I’m glad he’s in the family. He’s a great kid also." What FB Account is this from? There is a FB group called The #1 Big East Georgetown Hoyas Only Group . It is very passionate but the discourse is on average less knowledgable than I find here. The pro is that several former Hoyas are contributors and are public when they do so (vs. disguised as they could be here) including Darrel Owens, Michael Graham, Gene Smith.
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dense
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Post by dense on Jun 3, 2020 18:08:21 GMT -5
He looks taller than 6'5, he's a forward for sure! Reminds me of Kaleb. In his clips it looks like he’s barely ever worked on his body/explosion. If so I could see how a summer of work before his senior season could’ve completely elevated his game. This! he is built like a unit and it doesnt look like he has ever really trained by how he leaps and runs. The one thing that I love about what Ive seen is that his form on his jumper is very nice. he seems like a kid that has played inside so much but his transition to being a perimeter player might help him.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 3, 2020 18:14:19 GMT -5
Given that this was fairly under the radar, I think it's safe to say most of us know little to nothing about the kid (including me). So, all I can say for now is welcome to the Georgetown family, and I hope he can contribute to the team next year, even if he's below the radar.
To the extent you guys have quibbles with Ewing's recruiting strategy, I think the Program thread on the main board is the place to air those grievances. Holloway has nothing to do with that. We had a scholarship open, Ewing filled it, and I, for one, think we should use the scholarships the NCAA allows us to have.
Welcome Craig!
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dense
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Post by dense on Jun 3, 2020 18:19:47 GMT -5
if you want to see a whole game, the conference is not the best but its better than Otto's.
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Post by bdillon20 on Jun 3, 2020 18:25:26 GMT -5
I’m not sure how much Collin contributes next year but what I saw from film is he fills a need of someone who can shoot it. He seems to have a good IQ on the court as it looks like a guy who did a little bit of everything for his team. Ewing and staff may have taken more than their share of under the radar guys but they evaluate very well. You can see that with some of their early offers on lower ranked kids and then they explode, I.e, RJ Davis. I also think they changed their approach late this cycle after being burned by kids who didn’t turn out to be great kids.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 3, 2020 18:39:13 GMT -5
We had a scholarship open, Ewing filled it, and I, for one, think we should use the scholarships the NCAA allows us to have. Of course, if Jalen Carey announces he's transferring to GU, this will become a very busy conversation.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 3, 2020 18:43:45 GMT -5
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Post by blazeshoya on Jun 3, 2020 18:46:33 GMT -5
I love it. Looks like Coach is recruiting 4 year kids, and more importantly, kids who are grounded and great kids first and athletes second. We all saw first hand how recruiting great athletes first, kids second worked. It’s much more easy to teach good kids basketball skills then it is to teach good player but Editedbag kids life skills! Welcome to the family Collin!
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