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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 2, 2020 12:21:43 GMT -5
It would only make sense to move to a young coach. Right now I wonder if Patrick is struggling with the modern AAU athlete who needs to be coddled, re-recruited every off season, and seemingly can't take criticism or they will bounce. I'm guessing that had a lot to do with the most recent departures. Hopefully this new batch of kids are all head strong, open for coaching, and willing to get better. I don't see Pat as a subtle players coach. Nor was JT Jr. I guy like Will Wade on the other hand seems like he is willing to play the game with the current AAU mentality. When building a program, that is probably what we need and hopefully Pat is learning when to ride the players and when to encourage them.
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Post by drquigley on Jun 2, 2020 12:59:52 GMT -5
If Ewing leaves before either taking a team to the NCAA tourney or under pressure to leave due to poor performance, in other words if he bolts, then you can kiss the GU basketball program goodbye. Sure we would still have some residual cache and still be a member of the BE but we would pretty well be relegated to the bottom rung of the BE ladder. Were he to walk out now it would be devastating. This is very dramatic. Other programs have recovered from losing icons, and we can too - IF the university is willing to do a real coaching search, rather than hiring somebody like Ronny Thompson who will make John Thompson Jr. happy. For example, take DePaul. Part of the reason they have struggled is because after hiring Purnell (who at the time was a decent choice), they went back to Leitao, rather than giving a younger talented coach a try. One of the great things about college basketball is that you absolutely can turn a program around if you find the right coach. As I've said before, clearly the best outcome for all involved would be for Ewing to turn things around and succeed. That said, we have been "relegated to the bottom rung of thee BE ladder" for the last several years, we have not won a Big East tournament game despite playing on Wednesday, and we lost to Harvard in the only post-season appearance Ewing has made. One of the risky things is to assume that because we obsess over the program, that others do. If Ewing went to the Knicks, for example, and we hired a new coach that got us to the NCAA tournament in 2 years, you bet it would put butts back in the seats (assuming no pandemic), and suddenly things would look up. Winning solves a lot of things. I would agree if this year hadn't been such a disaster. You can't lose all those players AND the coach without suffering tremendous blowback. Yes it is not that hard to turn a program around (e.g. JT3) but if Ewing leaves it sends a signal to the college basketball world that there is something toxic at GU. |
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jun 2, 2020 13:38:26 GMT -5
C'mon guys. Ewing isn't leaving Georgetown in this state. He's a bigger fan of this program than any of us and he's one of the most competitive people around. He'll only leave after he puts us back on top of the BE. Everything he's said in interviews points towards that outcome.
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Post by hsaxon on Jun 2, 2020 20:44:49 GMT -5
If Ewing leaves before either taking a team to the NCAA tourney or under pressure to leave due to poor performance, in other words if he bolts, then you can kiss the GU basketball program goodbye. Sure we would still have some residual cache and still be a member of the BE but we would pretty well be relegated to the bottom rung of the BE ladder. Were he to walk out now it would be devastating. We are in the bottom part of the league right now. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 2, 2020 21:52:31 GMT -5
C'mon guys. Ewing isn't leaving Georgetown in this state. He's a bigger fan of this program than any of us and he's one of the most competitive people around. He'll only leave after he puts us back on top of the BE. Everything he's said in interviews points towards that outcome. Ewing is 57 y.o. His stated dream is to be a head coach of an NBA team. He's into Year 4 of the GU head coach experiment and, after the Great Exodus of 2019-20, he's back to square one with six/seven new players coming in. His NBA window is closing. Would an NBA team consider him without having a string of successful years at GU? I don't think so. What happens if there are no NBA offers? I remember that when Patrick arrived, some posters and articles mentioned that the worst scenario for GU would be if Patrick did/could not turn the program around, how would GU and Patrick part ways. It's Year 4 and it's looking like the program under Patrick cannot get off the ground. To be clear, and as I've stated before, the best scenario for the program is for Pat to be successful asap and have his pick of recruits and jobs. The question is how long does the experiment last. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 2, 2020 22:07:06 GMT -5
I would agree if this year hadn't been such a disaster. You can't lose all those players AND the coach without suffering tremendous blowback. Yes it is not that hard to turn a program around (e.g. JT3) but if Ewing leaves it sends a signal to the college basketball world that there is something toxic at GU. Disagree. When you can pay a head coach one of the top compensation packages in college basketball like GU has shown it can, then you can get the right coach to turn the program around. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 2, 2020 23:10:52 GMT -5
I would agree if this year hadn't been such a disaster. You can't lose all those players AND the coach without suffering tremendous blowback. Yes it is not that hard to turn a program around (e.g. JT3) but if Ewing leaves it sends a signal to the college basketball world that there is something toxic at GU. Disagree. When you can pay a head coach one of the top compensation packages in college basketball like GU has shown it can, then you can get the right coach to turn the program around. We know that the university CAN pay a good salary to the coach (and for two years, it paid not only Ewing's ~2.3 million, but also JT3's salary of almost $4 million), my bigger concern is that if the Ewing experiment fails and/or DeGioia eventually isn't around, that there will not be an institutional commitment to doing so. I think that would be the biggest impediment going forward, particularly if there is ever a non-basketball friendly President. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 2, 2020 23:33:53 GMT -5
Disagree. When you can pay a head coach one of the top compensation packages in college basketball like GU has shown it can, then you can get the right coach to turn the program around. We know that the university CAN pay a good salary to the coach (and for two years, it paid not only Ewing's ~2.3 million, but also JT3's salary of almost $4 million), my bigger concern is that if the Ewing experiment fails and/or DeGioia eventually isn't around, that there will not be an institutional commitment to doing so. I think that would be the biggest impediment going forward, particularly if there is ever a non-basketball friendly President. I get your concern, but under those scenarios it could not get much worse than it is now, unless we then leave the BE. |
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Post by tashoya on Jun 3, 2020 20:14:24 GMT -5
It's not been the resurgence we'd all hoped for (yet) but doubt Ewing at your own peril. I'm very much hoping that many posters here will be eating crow sooner than later.
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