hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 30, 2020 10:53:56 GMT -5
This would be a win-win, in my view. www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/05/knicks-notes-ewing-hayes-facility-nwora.html"Knicks legend Patrick Ewing would likely be a candidate in the search for a new head coach if Steve Mills hadn’t been fired as team president, writes Marc Berman of The New York Post. A source tells Berman that Mills contacted Ewing two years ago before hiring David Fizdale. Ewing had just finished his first season at Georgetown and wasn’t ready to consider leaving. He was not among the 11 candidates that Mills interviewed. Berman suggests Ewing could be in play for a top assistant’s role under Tom Thibodeau, who is rumored to be the favorite to replace Mike Miller. Thibodeau spent four years as a Knicks assistant while Ewing was still playing. The former NBA star doesn’t have the advantage of a prior relationship with new president of basketball operations Leon Rose like Thibodeau, Kenny Atkinson and John Calipari all do. Ewing was represented by David Falk during his playing days. Still, he is believed to prefer the NBA over college basketball and Berman believes there’s a good chance he will eventually make his way to the Knicks."
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 30, 2020 11:15:48 GMT -5
This would be a win-win, in my view. www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/05/knicks-notes-ewing-hayes-facility-nwora.html"Knicks legend Patrick Ewing would likely be a candidate in the search for a new head coach if Steve Mills hadn’t been fired as team president, writes Marc Berman of The New York Post. A source tells Berman that Mills contacted Ewing two years ago before hiring David Fizdale. Ewing had just finished his first season at Georgetown and wasn’t ready to consider leaving. He was not among the 11 candidates that Mills interviewed. Berman suggests Ewing could be in play for a top assistant’s role under Tom Thibodeau, who is rumored to be the favorite to replace Mike Miller. Thibodeau spent four years as a Knicks assistant while Ewing was still playing. The former NBA star doesn’t have the advantage of a prior relationship with new president of basketball operations Leon Rose like Thibodeau, Kenny Atkinson and John Calipari all do. Ewing was represented by David Falk during his playing days. Still, he is believed to prefer the NBA over college basketball and Berman believes there’s a good chance he will eventually make his way to the Knicks." Georgetown doesn’t get miracles like this.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on May 30, 2020 13:15:39 GMT -5
It would be the only graceful end to a Ewing tenure.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 30, 2020 13:26:30 GMT -5
Other than a successful resurgence of the Georgetown Hoyas.
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tupac
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Post by tupac on May 30, 2020 14:39:20 GMT -5
He’s staying put, he’s going to turn around the program he made famous..
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 30, 2020 15:05:38 GMT -5
He’s staying put, he’s going to turn around the program he made famous.. I would not be so sure of that. Clearly this was a planted article and it makes sense that Ewing would be looking for an out - after 3 years of no success, a pretty bare cupboard talent-wise heading into his 4th season and personal/professional clarity arising from his COVID crisis, I could see this being the most honorable way out for him.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on May 30, 2020 18:05:26 GMT -5
He took the Hoya job to get out of the NBA assistant rut. Why would he jump into the same role with a new coach who will have a 3-4 year leash if he fails and will keep the job if he succeeds.
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Post by swhoya on May 30, 2020 19:23:44 GMT -5
He took the Hoya job to get out of the NBA assistant rut. Why would he jump into the same role with a new coach who will have a 3-4 year leash if he fails and will keep the job if he succeeds. A valid question. The response might be because the college game has not gone the way he expected. And so now he thinks the assistant gig is actually a better path for him now. Or he wants to get back to NYC. Who knows. But you can’t say he made a decision for years ago for reason X and not acknowledge some things may have changed.
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Post by mdtd on May 30, 2020 19:43:50 GMT -5
He took the Hoya job to get out of the NBA assistant rut. Why would he jump into the same role with a new coach who will have a 3-4 year leash if he fails and will keep the job if he succeeds. A valid question. The response might be because the college game has not gone the way he expected. And so now he thinks the assistant gig is actually a better path for him now. Or he wants to get back to NYC. Who knows. But you can’t say he made a decision for years ago for reason X and not acknowledge some things may have changed. I agree with everything in this post. I'd add that he might only accept an associate head coach position (with NYK) over a typical assistant coach position. I don't expect him to leave before this upcoming season, but crazier things have happened.
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Post by professorhoya on May 31, 2020 12:24:38 GMT -5
This would be a win-win, in my view. www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/05/knicks-notes-ewing-hayes-facility-nwora.html"Knicks legend Patrick Ewing would likely be a candidate in the search for a new head coach if Steve Mills hadn’t been fired as team president, writes Marc Berman of The New York Post. A source tells Berman that Mills contacted Ewing two years ago before hiring David Fizdale. Ewing had just finished his first season at Georgetown and wasn’t ready to consider leaving. He was not among the 11 candidates that Mills interviewed. Berman suggests Ewing could be in play for a top assistant’s role under Tom Thibodeau, who is rumored to be the favorite to replace Mike Miller. Thibodeau spent four years as a Knicks assistant while Ewing was still playing. The former NBA star doesn’t have the advantage of a prior relationship with new president of basketball operations Leon Rose like Thibodeau, Kenny Atkinson and John Calipari all do. Ewing was represented by David Falk during his playing days. Still, he is believed to prefer the NBA over college basketball and Berman believes there’s a good chance he will eventually make his way to the Knicks." Knicks are a huge dumpster fire organization and will remain so as long as James Dolan is at the helm. Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on May 31, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -5
This would be a win-win, in my view. www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/05/knicks-notes-ewing-hayes-facility-nwora.html"Knicks legend Patrick Ewing would likely be a candidate in the search for a new head coach if Steve Mills hadn’t been fired as team president, writes Marc Berman of The New York Post. A source tells Berman that Mills contacted Ewing two years ago before hiring David Fizdale. Ewing had just finished his first season at Georgetown and wasn’t ready to consider leaving. He was not among the 11 candidates that Mills interviewed. Berman suggests Ewing could be in play for a top assistant’s role under Tom Thibodeau, who is rumored to be the favorite to replace Mike Miller. Thibodeau spent four years as a Knicks assistant while Ewing was still playing. The former NBA star doesn’t have the advantage of a prior relationship with new president of basketball operations Leon Rose like Thibodeau, Kenny Atkinson and John Calipari all do. Ewing was represented by David Falk during his playing days. Still, he is believed to prefer the NBA over college basketball and Berman believes there’s a good chance he will eventually make his way to the Knicks." Knicks are a huge dumpster fire organization and will remain so as long as James Dolan is at the helm. Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. So would he feel right at home given the current state of our program ?
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Post by daveg023 on May 31, 2020 16:34:51 GMT -5
If Atkinson gets the job, I’m not seeing Ewing finding a way onto his staff. If Thibs gets the job, frankly it’s probably a long shot too, but not something I’d rule out completely. I think there is still an affinity to the franchise, but it’s not like he’s had the best relationship with them either since his playing days ended. Remember, Dolan became owner at the very end of his tenure. Their are few people at the Garden now with a connection to him.
Additionally, Patrick would take a pay cut to do so, and now that he’s had the taste of being the top guy I can’t imagine he’s dying to go be an assistant again, with no more likely path to an NBA HC job then he had 4 years ago.
If he is still dreaming of a lead job at that level, to me his only route is by taking us on a successful run for 2-3 years. If he left now, his 49-46 record at the college level isn’t going to really add anything more to a resume that was evidently lacking among NBA decision makers over the last decade, as he was passed over for several opportunities as it was.
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Post by blueandgray on May 31, 2020 17:01:53 GMT -5
Patrick isn’t doing it for the money.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 2, 2020 9:02:34 GMT -5
From the moment the Knicks hired former agent Leon Rose to head their basketball operations, Tom Thibodeau has been considered the frontrunner to be the team’s next head coach. Rose and Thibodeau have a decades-long relationship, and Thibodeau reportedly wants the job. Now comes another report, this time from the well-connected Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News, that the job is Thibodeau’s to lose. Moving forward to the Leon Rose era can’t begin in earnest until he hired his coach. To that end, sources say Tom Thibodeau is the heavy favorite to land the job… But the belief is that this is Thibodeau’s to lose, and a source said he’s confident about getting the job — to the point that Thibodeau has made calls to assemble a staff. There will be others interviewed, Kenny Atkinson and interim coach Mike Miller are on the list, there may be more. However, the buzz around the league is this will be Thibodeau’s job next season. sports.yahoo.com/another-report-tom-thibodeau-heavy-130041216.html
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Post by drquigley on Jun 2, 2020 9:49:00 GMT -5
If Ewing leaves before either taking a team to the NCAA tourney or under pressure to leave due to poor performance, in other words if he bolts, then you can kiss the GU basketball program goodbye. Sure we would still have some residual cache and still be a member of the BE but we would pretty well be relegated to the bottom rung of the BE ladder. Were he to walk out now it would be devastating.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 2, 2020 10:03:18 GMT -5
This would be a disaster for us as we don't seem to have an in-house candidate (which we should cultivate soon BTW).
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 2, 2020 10:07:48 GMT -5
If Ewing leaves before either taking a team to the NCAA tourney or under pressure to leave due to poor performance, in other words if he bolts, then you can kiss the GU basketball program goodbye. Sure we would still have some residual cache and still be a member of the BE but we would pretty well be relegated to the bottom rung of the BE ladder. Were he to walk out now it would be devastating. We're already relegated to the bottom of the Big East and the residual cache is a mirage.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 2, 2020 10:31:17 GMT -5
Seems like a highly unlikely possibility that Ewing goes to New York, given that the Knicks ignored him for 15 years and he has yet to succeed as a head coach at the collegiate level, though there are clear differences in the demands of the job. Also, he just made commitments to 7 new kids for next year and would hopefully feel some sense of obligation to them--unlike many college coaches.
As for the possible future without Ewing as head coach, I disagree that his departure dooms the Hoyas to hopelessness. His tenure has not yet been a success. Unless the Administration continues to believe that its coaching searches should be constrained by links to the past, the departure of Ewing would not necessarily be a barrier to success, but rather an opportunity to hire a proven college coach or a rising star from the ranks of the mid-majors. Other programs have survived the loss of an icon, as can the Hoyas.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 2, 2020 10:44:27 GMT -5
If Ewing leaves before either taking a team to the NCAA tourney or under pressure to leave due to poor performance, in other words if he bolts, then you can kiss the GU basketball program goodbye. Sure we would still have some residual cache and still be a member of the BE but we would pretty well be relegated to the bottom rung of the BE ladder. Were he to walk out now it would be devastating. This is very dramatic. Other programs have recovered from losing icons, and we can too - IF the university is willing to do a real coaching search, rather than hiring somebody like Ronny Thompson who will make John Thompson Jr. happy. For example, take DePaul. Part of the reason they have struggled is because after hiring Purnell (who at the time was a decent choice), they went back to Leitao, rather than giving a younger talented coach a try. One of the great things about college basketball is that you absolutely can turn a program around if you find the right coach. As I've said before, clearly the best outcome for all involved would be for Ewing to turn things around and succeed. That said, we have been "relegated to the bottom rung of thee BE ladder" for the last several years, we have not won a Big East tournament game despite playing on Wednesday, and we lost to Harvard in the only post-season appearance Ewing has made. One of the risky things is to assume that because we obsess over the program, that others do. If Ewing went to the Knicks, for example, and we hired a new coach that got us to the NCAA tournament in 2 years, you bet it would put butts back in the seats (assuming no pandemic), and suddenly things would look up. Winning solves a lot of things.
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Post by reformation on Jun 2, 2020 11:02:46 GMT -5
Think it very unlikely he leaves unless there is an improved path(not obvious) to being an NBA head coach by the move.
If he did leave I suspect Gtwn would roll the dice on a young coach-can't see them paying up for a proven big time coach.
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