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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 11, 2020 21:59:34 GMT -5
A quote from a reporter from the South Bend Tribune on the series being cancelled: "It all sounded well and good last offseason and even early last fall, then the Hoyas fell on rough times with losses, off-court issues, transfers and more losses. Think Ewing would rather have the guarantee 'W' game than rekindling the series. They pulled the plug on it in January, basically saying, yeah, we're not interested. Notre Dame filled that spot with Kentucky, will eventually restart the series with Marquette, still wants to do something with Villanova and wants to get back to the UCLA series sooner than later. So Georgetown goes to the back of the line, maybe for a long time." www.ndinsider.com/basketball/mens/chat-transcript-talk-notre-dame-mens-basketball-with-tom-noie/article_0b202261-3e32-5a09-a474-b0e9bb71943c.htmlAlso on another story, ND wil play at Howard in 2021-22. www.ndinsider.com/basketball/mens/noie-good-call-for-mike-brey-to-stall-historic-notre-dame-hoops-road-game/article_c6a05e73-71a1-5283-9285-840b490d3490.html
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 11, 2020 22:13:04 GMT -5
Our program hasn’t really had any good news in a while.
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 12, 2020 6:29:06 GMT -5
Our program hasn’t really had any good news in a while. Like a lot of things in life, I am sure there are 3 sides to this story. The ND side, the Georgetown side and then somewhere in the middle is the truth. Playing ND would have been an interesting game, but I think the staff looks to have put together a good OOC schedule for this year anyways.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 12, 2020 9:34:57 GMT -5
A quote from a reporter from the South Bend Tribune on the series being cancelled: "It all sounded well and good last offseason and even early last fall, then the Hoyas fell on rough times with losses, off-court issues, transfers and more losses. Think Ewing would rather have the guarantee 'W' game than rekindling the series. They pulled the plug on it in January, basically saying, yeah, we're not interested. Notre Dame filled that spot with Kentucky, will eventually restart the series with Marquette, still wants to do something with Villanova and wants to get back to the UCLA series sooner than later. So Georgetown goes to the back of the line, maybe for a long time." www.ndinsider.com/basketball/mens/chat-transcript-talk-notre-dame-mens-basketball-with-tom-noie/article_0b202261-3e32-5a09-a474-b0e9bb71943c.htmlAlso on another story, ND wil play at Howard in 2021-22. www.ndinsider.com/basketball/mens/noie-good-call-for-mike-brey-to-stall-historic-notre-dame-hoops-road-game/article_c6a05e73-71a1-5283-9285-840b490d3490.htmlNot a good look, if this is true.
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Post by SDHoya on Jun 12, 2020 10:36:45 GMT -5
A quote from a reporter from the South Bend Tribune on the series being cancelled: "It all sounded well and good last offseason and even early last fall, then the Hoyas fell on rough times with losses, off-court issues, transfers and more losses. Think Ewing would rather have the guarantee 'W' game than rekindling the series. They pulled the plug on it in January, basically saying, yeah, we're not interested. Notre Dame filled that spot with Kentucky, will eventually restart the series with Marquette, still wants to do something with Villanova and wants to get back to the UCLA series sooner than later. So Georgetown goes to the back of the line, maybe for a long time." www.ndinsider.com/basketball/mens/chat-transcript-talk-notre-dame-mens-basketball-with-tom-noie/article_0b202261-3e32-5a09-a474-b0e9bb71943c.htmlAlso on another story, ND wil play at Howard in 2021-22. www.ndinsider.com/basketball/mens/noie-good-call-for-mike-brey-to-stall-historic-notre-dame-hoops-road-game/article_c6a05e73-71a1-5283-9285-840b490d3490.htmlNot a good look, if this is true. Is it though? Aside from a 20 game schedule against one of the toughest conferences in the land, we also have lined up in 2020-21 (assuming no COVID related changes): 2 of UVA/UCLA/Kansas (Wooden Classic) Syracuse West Virginia (BE-B12 games) B10 team TBA (Gavitt Games) So, thats effectively 25 Q1 (or at worst high Q2) games scheduled for next year--can't imagine too many teams will have more. I certainly don't mind rekindling old-BE rivalries, but to be fair even without ND, we are still playing WV, Syracuse and UCONN (now also of the new BE). So, its hardly a priority. I would hope that the ND game is replaced with a solid mid-major game or something local.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:38:43 GMT -5
Not a good look, if this is true. Is it though? Aside from a 20 game schedule against one of the toughest conferences in the land, we also have lined up in 2020-21 (assuming no COVID related changes): 2 of UVA/UCLA/Kansas (Wooden Classic) Syracuse West Virginia (BE-B12 games) B10 team TBA (Gavitt Games) So, thats effectively 25 Q1 (or at worst high Q2) games scheduled for next year--can't imagine too many teams will have more. I certainly don't mind rekindling old-BE rivalries, but to be fair even without ND, we are still playing WV, Syracuse and UCONN (now also of the new BE). So, its hardly a priority. I would hope that the ND game is replaced with a solid mid-major game or something local. Yeah - I have no problem w/ us dropping them this year, and that "back of the line" comment just sounds silly.
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Post by mdtd on Jun 12, 2020 11:21:35 GMT -5
Not a good look, if this is true. Is it though? Aside from a 20 game schedule against one of the toughest conferences in the land, we also have lined up in 2020-21 (assuming no COVID related changes): 2 of UVA/UCLA/Kansas (Wooden Classic) Syracuse West Virginia (BE-B12 games) B10 team TBA (Gavitt Games) So, thats effectively 25 Q1 (or at worst high Q2) games scheduled for next year--can't imagine too many teams will have more. I certainly don't mind rekindling old-BE rivalries, but to be fair even without ND, we are still playing WV, Syracuse and UCONN (now also of the new BE). So, its hardly a priority. I would hope that the ND game is replaced with a solid mid-major game or something local. NCSOS is a big factor in being selected in tournaments, not just SOS. The committee(s) want to know if you made an effort to schedule and play good teams. If the rest of those games in the nonconference are filled with cupcakes, it's a bad look for the team. Rather, you schedule a beatable, yet solid opponent in Notre Dame and it adds another quality game. I worry that this is it with good opponents on our schedule. And yes, backing out of a tougher game to schedule a cupcake, as mentioned in the article, would be a bad look. It would appear to me that Ewing isn't confident in his team and he's trying to boost the win totals so the season doesn't look as bad, if what's said is true.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 12, 2020 11:36:51 GMT -5
NCSOS is a big factor in being selected in tournaments, not just SOS. The committee(s) want to know if you made an effort to schedule and play good teams. If the rest of those games in the nonconference are filled with cupcakes, it's a bad look for the team. Rather, you schedule a beatable, yet solid opponent in Notre Dame and it adds another quality game. I worry that this is it with good opponents on our schedule. And yes, backing out of a tougher game to schedule a cupcake, as mentioned in the article, would be a bad look. It would appear to me that Ewing isn't confident in his team and he's trying to boost the win totals so the season doesn't look as bad. The fan base isn't losing sleep over not playing ND but the quote in the article that stings is "Think Ewing would rather have the guarantee 'W' game than rekindling the series." Since Ewing made the mistake of dropping out of the PK16, the knock out there has been that he is scheduling light to protect the record. Yes, there are some good opponents this year but those are TV or conference tie-ins. We haven't seen any of the remainder and no one will be surprised if it's the usual collection of non-competitive games that are not helping Georgetown in crunch time. Georgetown can do better. I recall the great schedules JT III put together in his first four years, when he was sending a message Georgetown would play anyone, anywhere. Here's the 2007-08 non-conference schedule, where Georgetown finished 10-1 with four away games. William & Mary (Attendance: 11,364) Michigan (12,653) at Ball State (4,381) at Old Dominion (8,424) Fairfield (8,764) at Alabama (10,411) Jacksonville (8,216) Radford (Big South, played at McD Gym: 2,634) at #2 Memphis (18,864) American (10,564) Fordham (7,845)
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 12, 2020 11:53:09 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is that pulling out of the series with Notre Dame is a smart move. Notre wants it because it helps them recruiting wise in D.C. with Brey's connections to Dematha and the area. To be able to tell DC recruits that they could play a home game in front they're family is a good selling point to help further the case. Evidence that this is important is the fact they are rumored to play at Howard in the future. I'm sure that was added after Georgetown said no.
What does playing Notre Dame do for Georgetown. Maybe add a top 100 NET home game every other year. Yes ND would probably be a Q1 road game based on last season's NET rules but it doesn't help them recruiting wise as Georgetown plays Butler in Indiana every year.
With the addition of the rumored BIG EAST/PAC 12 challenge coming, asking with the GAVITT Games, BIG EAST Big 12 Battle, Syracuse & MTE's, I think it's smarter to be more selective in adding a multi year Home & Home series. Access is important for both parties and plenty of programs would jump at the chance to play in D.C. every other season. IMO a Boston College, another school in Texas to replace SMU, a Stanford or Cal Berkley, an SEC team like Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, or Tennessee, or even Memphis in the AAC makes more sense recruiting wise. Add Georgia Tech to that list as well. They all may not be better today in terms of pushing the NET rankings way up but these programs are all in recruiting hot beds that the Hoyas are active in and help them in recruiting in those areas.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 12, 2020 11:58:25 GMT -5
IMO a Boston College, another school in Texas to replace SMU, a Stanford or Cal Berkley, an SEC team like Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, or Tennessee, or even Memphis in the AAC makes more sense recruiting wise. Add Georgia Tech to that list as well. They all may not be better today in terms of pushing the NET rankings way up but these programs are all in recruiting hot beds that the Hoyas are active in and help them in recruiting in those areas. Agreed, but none of those are coming to the schedule. What is more likely? Maryland-Eastern Shore Mt. St. Mary's UNC-Asheville High Point Howard Norfolk State Radford
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 12, 2020 12:02:39 GMT -5
NCSOS is a big factor in being selected in tournaments, not just SOS. The committee(s) want to know if you made an effort to schedule and play good teams. If the rest of those games in the nonconference are filled with cupcakes, it's a bad look for the team. Rather, you schedule a beatable, yet solid opponent in Notre Dame and it adds another quality game. I worry that this is it with good opponents on our schedule. And yes, backing out of a tougher game to schedule a cupcake, as mentioned in the article, would be a bad look. It would appear to me that Ewing isn't confident in his team and he's trying to boost the win totals so the season doesn't look as bad. The fan base isn't losing sleep over not playing ND but the quote in the article that stings is "Think Ewing would rather have the guarantee 'W' game than rekindling the series." Since Ewing made the mistake of dropping out of the PK16, the knock out there has been that he is scheduling light to protect the record. Yes, there are some good opponents this year but those are TV or conference tie-ins. We haven't seen any of the remainder and no one will be surprised if it's the usual collection of non-competitive games that are not helping Georgetown in crunch time. Georgetown can do better. I recall the great schedules JT III put together in his first four years, when he was sending a message Georgetown would play anyone, anywhere. Here's the 2007-08 non-conference schedule, where Georgetown finished 10-1 with four away games. William & Mary (Attendance: 11,364) Michigan (12,653) at Ball State (4,381) at Old Dominion (8,424) Fairfield (8,764) at Alabama (10,411) Jacksonville (8,216) Radford (Big South, played at McD Gym: 2,634) at #2 Memphis (18,864) American (10,564) Fordham (7,845) Come on man....That's a ND beat writers opinion with no actual access or facts as to why the Hoyas pulled the plug. A lot of moving parts in the Hoyas schedule coming up in the next few years. Only the staff knows the details of what the future schedule looks like. They know the MTE's they are playing in and what years they are participating in the various Conference vs Conference challenges.... Like I said in my post above, scheduling Notre Dame does nothing to really help Georgetown but would have been a huge plus recruiting wise for Notre Dame in their efforts to continue raiding D.C. for players. Georgetown could & should be much more selective in picking a multi year series...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 12, 2020 12:05:38 GMT -5
IMO a Boston College, another school in Texas to replace SMU, a Stanford or Cal Berkley, an SEC team like Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, or Tennessee, or even Memphis in the AAC makes more sense recruiting wise. Add Georgia Tech to that list as well. They all may not be better today in terms of pushing the NET rankings way up but these programs are all in recruiting hot beds that the Hoyas are active in and help them in recruiting in those areas. Agreed, but none of those are coming to the schedule. What is more likely? Maryland-Eastern Shore Mt. St. Mary's UNC-Asheville High Point Howard Norfolk State Radford Lol..How do we know none of the schools I mentioned or others are going to be on future schedules? We didn't know about the possibly of Notre Dame until last fall...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 12, 2020 12:40:06 GMT -5
Lol..How do we know none of the schools I mentioned or others are going to be on future schedules? We didn't know about the possibly of Notre Dame until last fall... Obviously, we don't know. But recent trends would suggest that it's unlikely. Dean Smith used to commit to an out of state recruit that Carolina would schedule a game in their home region within their four years, not a small undertaking but a sign of commitment. Carolina played some unusual road games over the years (at Pepperdine, at Cornell, at Mercer) as a result. It's tougher now. Georgetown is obligated to a set number (though unpublicized) of games it must play at Capital One Arena, regardless of attendance. Had Mac McClung stayed, would Georgetown played next season at East Tennessee State, 32 miles from where half of Gate City would have shown up? Nice idea, but probably not. Any thoughts of a game in Toronto, for example, to honor Jahvon Blair would be tempered against that minimum commitment, the loss of home gate revenue, and that likely renders it a non-starter. The Georgia Techs and Stanfords of the world (usually) feel likewise, leaving GU with teams willing to travel to pick up a check. That doesn't address the issue of obvious local opponents that never make the schedule (GW, Mason, etc.) but it's not a easy process.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 12, 2020 13:03:34 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is that pulling out of the series with Notre Dame is a smart move. Notre wants it because it helps them recruiting wise in D.C. with Brey's connections to Dematha and the area. To be able to tell DC recruits that they could play a home game in front they're family is a good selling point to help further the case. Evidence that this is important is the fact they are rumored to play at Howard in the future. I'm sure that was added after Georgetown said no. What does playing Notre Dame do for Georgetown. Maybe add a top 100 NET home game every other year. Yes ND would probably be a Q1 road game based on last season's NET rules but it doesn't help them recruiting wise as Georgetown plays Butler in Indiana every year. With the addition of the rumored BIG EAST/PAC 12 challenge coming, asking with the GAVITT Games, BIG EAST Big 12 Battle, Syracuse & MTE's, I think it's smarter to be more selective in adding a multi year Home & Home series. Access is important for both parties and plenty of programs would jump at the chance to play in D.C. every other season. IMO a Boston College, another school in Texas to replace SMU, a Stanford or Cal Berkley, an SEC team like Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, or Tennessee, or even Memphis in the AAC makes more sense recruiting wise. Add Georgia Tech to that list as well. They all may not be better today in terms of pushing the NET rankings way up but these programs are all in recruiting hot beds that the Hoyas are active in and help them in recruiting in those areas. Supposedly ND’s plan was to do back to back games in DC, with the Howard game during the week and the Georgetown game on the weekend. I think someone mentioned that the Howard coach has ND ties. Not disagreeing with anything you’re saying, just mentioning that aspect.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 12, 2020 14:58:05 GMT -5
T he truth of the matter is that pulling out of the series with Notre Dame is a smart move. Notre wants it because it helps them recruiting wise in D.C. with Brey's connections to Dematha and the area. To be able to tell DC recruits that they could play a home game in front they're family is a good selling point to help further the case. Evidence that this is important is the fact they are rumored to play at Howard in the future. I'm sure that was added after Georgetown said no. What does playing Notre Dame do for Georgetown. Maybe add a top 100 NET home game every other year. Yes ND would probably be a Q1 road game based on last season's NET rules but it doesn't help them recruiting wise as Georgetown plays Butler in Indiana every year. With the addition of the rumored BIG EAST/PAC 12 challenge coming, asking with the GAVITT Games, BIG EAST Big 12 Battle, Syracuse & MTE's, I think it's smarter to be more selective in adding a multi year Home & Home series. Access is important for both parties and plenty of programs would jump at the chance to play in D.C. every other season. IMO a Boston College, another school in Texas to replace SMU, a Stanford or Cal Berkley, an SEC team like Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, or Tennessee, or even Memphis in the AAC makes more sense recruiting wise. Add Georgia Tech to that list as well. They all may not be better today in terms of pushing the NET rankings way up but these programs are all in recruiting hot beds that the Hoyas are active in and help them in recruiting in those areas. I don't really understand the first point, which has been made often in relation to recruiting. A few thoughts: (1) We have not recruited particularly well in the DC area, in fact, one could argue it's been downright poor. So, I am not really sure how much worse it could get because we play Notre Dame. (2) Sure, recruits would always love the chance to play in front of their family and friends, but is this really the "but for" factor in a recruit choosing a school? I find it hard to believe a kid would think, "I am really not sure about Notre Dame, but since they're playing in DC, and I'm from DC, I am going to go to Notre Dame"? This isn't meant to focus on Notre Dame, it's true of literally any other school. Whether those teams play in DC really is irrelevant, I think. (3) In light of what someone else said about Howard, it sounds more that Notre Dame was trying to get two games in one trip, rather than there being some special benefit from being in DC. Listen, I admit I do not know these teenager's mentalities. So if Yaboy and others come here and tell me that it really does matter to recruits, I may change my mind. I just think this isn't a reason to avoid games with Notre Dame. (4) There are benefits: - Notre Dame is likely going to be a top 50ish type team most years, but usually not TOO good. In other words, we will always have a chance to win even the away games. - Good for strength of schedule metrics; helps for NCAA selection. - It's the type of opponent likely to get us a decent television slot, maybe a good weekend placement. - Notre Dame has a fair amount of alumni in the DC area, so it could help when the home game occurs. As long as we have other solid games, I don't care about it too much. It's just that home-and-homes are tough to come by these days, especially with the growing conference schedule, and I think we should be looking to add these types of games, not delete them.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 12, 2020 16:04:11 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is that pulling out of the series with Notre Dame is a smart move. Notre wants it because it helps them recruiting wise in D.C. with Brey's connections to Dematha and the area. To be able to tell DC recruits that they could play a home game in front they're family is a good selling point to help further the case. Evidence that this is important is the fact they are rumored to play at Howard in the future. I'm sure that was added after Georgetown said no. What does playing Notre Dame do for Georgetown. Maybe add a top 100 NET home game every other year. Yes ND would probably be a Q1 road game based on last season's NET rules but it doesn't help them recruiting wise as Georgetown plays Butler in Indiana every year. With the addition of the rumored BIG EAST/PAC 12 challenge coming, asking with the GAVITT Games, BIG EAST Big 12 Battle, Syracuse & MTE's, I think it's smarter to be more selective in adding a multi year Home & Home series. Access is important for both parties and plenty of programs would jump at the chance to play in D.C. every other season. IMO a Boston College, another school in Texas to replace SMU, a Stanford or Cal Berkley, an SEC team like Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, or Tennessee, or even Memphis in the AAC makes more sense recruiting wise. Add Georgia Tech to that list as well. They all may not be better today in terms of pushing the NET rankings way up but these programs are all in recruiting hot beds that the Hoyas are active in and help them in recruiting in those areas. Supposedly ND’s plan was to do back to back games in DC, with the Howard game during the week and the Georgetown game on the weekend. I think someone mentioned that the Howard coach has ND ties. Not disagreeing with anything you’re saying, just mentioning that aspect. Great plan for ND if it was to spend a week in DC recruiting and playing games at Howard & Georgetown. Beneficial for Howard because unfortunately mid majors rarely host P6 programs. Outside of solid gate numbers because of the potential of attracting ND alums, no really other unique benifits for Georgetown. As someone who's put together a college schedule (at a smaller level) there are a lot of aspects that go into play and recruiting advantages play a significant part. With all the scheduling pretty much solidified for the next few years, The Hoyas staff is looking at about 5 games a year it has to schedule. So they have to be ultra selective. I'm sure some fans are disappointed but if the staff replaces that game with a quality OOC opponent that makes more sense and checks all the boxes for the staff, athletic department & conference, what difference will not playing ND make. All signs show Coach Ewing is continuing JT3's tough scheduling approach outside of his first season. Georgetown also doesn't have a choice as they have the BIG EAST Conference/FOX Sports pressure to meet their demands of a marketable schedule as well as Cap 1 lease to maximize. Also to answer a question that was posed by some others of whether getting the opportunity to play at home is important for out state recruits. No it's not the biggest selling point but it is absolutely a sweetener that recruits take into consideration. It's also used as incentive for the family who might be having some reservations of never getting to see their child play in person while in college.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jun 13, 2020 11:48:12 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is that pulling out of the series with Notre Dame is a smart move. Notre wants it because it helps them recruiting wise in D.C. with Brey's connections to Dematha and the area. To be able to tell DC recruits that they could play a home game in front they're family is a good selling point to help further the case. Evidence that this is important is the fact they are rumored to play at Howard in the future. I'm sure that was added after Georgetown said no. What does playing Notre Dame do for Georgetown. Maybe add a top 100 NET home game every other year. Yes ND would probably be a Q1 road game based on last season's NET rules but it doesn't help them recruiting wise as Georgetown plays Butler in Indiana every year. With the addition of the rumored BIG EAST/PAC 12 challenge coming, asking with the GAVITT Games, BIG EAST Big 12 Battle, Syracuse & MTE's, I think it's smarter to be more selective in adding a multi year Home & Home series. Access is important for both parties and plenty of programs would jump at the chance to play in D.C. every other season. IMO a Boston College, another school in Texas to replace SMU, a Stanford or Cal Berkley, an SEC team like Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, or Tennessee, or even Memphis in the AAC makes more sense recruiting wise. Add Georgia Tech to that list as well. They all may not be better today in terms of pushing the NET rankings way up but these programs are all in recruiting hot beds that the Hoyas are active in and help them in recruiting in those areas. Supposedly ND’s plan was to do back to back games in DC, with the Howard game during the week and the Georgetown game on the weekend. I think someone mentioned that the Howard coach has ND ties. Not disagreeing with anything you’re saying, just mentioning that aspect. Kenny Blakey, Howard’s Coach, played at Duke and then was on Mike Brey’s staff at Delaware.
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Post by hoya59er on Jun 14, 2020 16:36:03 GMT -5
Notre Dame is a prestige opponent, which would be a draw for our home game. Just seems to me it should be shame on us for backing out.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 22, 2020 12:15:30 GMT -5
nopoe nd too far corona IF WE HAVE A SEASON
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