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Post by BSM on Jun 1, 2020 23:38:09 GMT -5
And how does Archbishop Gregory respond? By entertaining Trump at the Basilica on Tuesday morning. Just the message to send. I know we pay lip service to interfaith dialogue and being ecumenical, but what better way to say up yours to the Episcopals?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 2, 2020 8:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by blueeagle on Jun 2, 2020 8:37:00 GMT -5
Don't judge a book by its cover. Wise words from George Elliott, but words we probably first heard from parents, teachers, guardians, etc. who wanted to impart simple yet insightful words to live by.
Unfortunately, the deaths of George Floyd, Auhmaud Arbery, and others have demonstrated that people of color continue to be hastily judged by their outward appearance with tragic consequences.
And now the president of the United States wants us to judge him by the cover of a book he is literally holding up as an empty prop.
There is a lot to unpack during this explosive flashpoint in our country's history. But I hope that everyone sees how this small, pathetic man has failed to grasp and abide by fundamental lessons we all should have learned in kindergarten.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jun 2, 2020 9:12:28 GMT -5
Can someone tell me what this guy did wrong? Where are those “patriots” who protested infringement of rights during the quarantine because they couldn’t get a haircut? They no doubt support the police here. How much proof do we need that Trump supporting “patriots” are almost as big of frauds as Trump himself? This video is extraordinarily troubling.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jun 2, 2020 9:18:03 GMT -5
Don't judge a book by its cover. Wise words from George Elliott, but words we probably first heard from parents, teachers, guardians, etc. who wanted to impart simple yet insightful words to live by. Unfortunately, the deaths of George Floyd, Auhmaud Arbery, and others have demonstrated that people of color continue to be hastily judged by their outward appearance with tragic consequences. And now the president of the United States wants us to judge him by the cover of a book he is literally holding up as an empty prop. There is a lot to unpack during this explosive flashpoint in our country's history. But I hope that everyone sees how this small, pathetic man has failed to grasp and abide by fundamental lessons we all should have learned in kindergarten. I’m not sure if you’ve seen on Twitter, but there are so many applauding him for his “big balls” in making that walk and his courage for standing up for Christianity. This was red meat for his profoundly gullible supporters, and these rubes predictably gobbled it up. This is third world strong-man garbage that real Republicans would have been appalled by. I am continually amazed how self-proclaimed Christians and Constitutionalists legitimize his actions.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 2, 2020 9:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 2, 2020 10:11:30 GMT -5
The Mayor of Charleston is my classmate. John Tecklenburg, C' 77.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 2, 2020 11:49:47 GMT -5
And how does Archbishop Gregory respond? By entertaining Trump at the Basilica on Tuesday morning. Just the message to send. I know we pay lip service to interfaith dialogue and being ecumenical, but what better way to say up yours to the Episcopals? Statement of Archbishop Gregory on Trump visit. He does not condone the visit and is not "entertaining" Trump. It sounds as if the Archdiocese of Washington has not sanctioned this visit. "I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree. Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace." adw.org/JPII Shrine is generally open to the public so can't expect the Archbishop to attempt to ban Trump - that wouldn't be Christian-like would it? Even wouldn't ban a sociopath. I have no doubt that this is an AG Barr idea since he is Catholic but not of the Opus Dei variety although people have doubts despite Opus Dei's statement that he is not so aligned. www.jp2shrine.org/en/index.html
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 2, 2020 13:13:05 GMT -5
The Sounds of Silence: this board's condemnation of people attacking police and their assets, of people burning down buildings, of masses rushing in with shopping carts to hold the merchandise they are stealing, of people desecrating monuments and churches, of people throwing bricks at or threatening representatives of the media, etc. There is one poster that routinely quotes statutes Trump or other members he considers to be enemies have violated. But, nothing on today's violence. Are you posters only interested in justice when it advances your agenda? Isn't it possible loudly and wholeheartedly to support peaceful demonstrations while, at the same time, voicing criticism of the violent acts? It's okay to be up in arms against racial injustice, in fact we should demand it of our local, county, state, and federal officials - but also in each of our daily lives. Treat each person with respect and dignity, as God would have us do. But, strongly oppose and condemn those who violently break our laws. My agenda is freedom. I just want what you have. If we're going to talk about "The Sounds of Silence" How long have you known about racial injustice, oppression, and mistreatment of minorities in this country? How many unarmed minorities have you seen had their lives stripped from them at the hands of law enforcement, or in the case of Ahmaud Arbery wanna be law enforcement for no other reason than their skin color being deemed a threat? How many times have you seen their economic situation, and job opportunities negatively effected by their skin color? If you know these things exist, and have existed for a long time. Why don't you lift your voice now to help us get free? When I read your lecture to me I realize how little you know me.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 2, 2020 13:25:53 GMT -5
Let's see - four police officers shot in St. Louis, one shot in Las Vegas, one a victim of a hit and run in the Bronx, another beaten in the Bronx, another injured in a tussle in Richmond, and an SUV driven through a line of law enforcement officers in Buffalo. Not to mention bricks and rocks thrown at officers. Except for a few words by hoyarooter, the Sounds of Silence continues.
While we convert yet another thread into Trump bashing.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jun 2, 2020 13:43:27 GMT -5
Let's see - four police officers shot in St. Louis, one shot in Las Vegas, one a victim of a hit and run in the Bronx, another beaten in the Bronx, another injured in a tussle in Richmond, and an SUV driven through a line of law enforcement officers in Buffalo. Not to mention bricks and rocks thrown at officers. Except for a few words by hoyarooter, the Sounds of Silence continues. While we convert yet another thread into Trump bashing. I’ll let Kareem’s quote do the talking for me. I’d like to think I wouldn’t loot or riot had I’d been at one of these protests, but I also haven’t been oppressed for my lifetime. Now talk about the literal hundreds of videos of peaceful protesters being attacked by police. Stop pretending you don’t support Trump. He just used your religion as a tool of manipulation and the Bible as a prop. Trump deserves nothing but ridicule and scorn for his photo op. You should be outraged.
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Post by BSM on Jun 2, 2020 15:03:25 GMT -5
And how does Archbishop Gregory respond? By entertaining Trump at the Basilica on Tuesday morning. Just the message to send. I know we pay lip service to interfaith dialogue and being ecumenical, but what better way to say up yours to the Episcopals? Statement of Archbishop Gregory on Trump visit. He does not condone the visit and is not "entertaining" Trump. It sounds as if the Archdiocese of Washington has not sanctioned this visit. "I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree. Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace." adw.org/JPII Shrine is generally open to the public so can't expect the Archbishop to attempt to ban Trump - that wouldn't be Christian-like would it? Even wouldn't ban a sociopath. I have no doubt that this is an AG Barr idea since he is Catholic but not of the Opus Dei variety although people have doubts despite Opus Dei's statement that he is not so aligned. www.jp2shrine.org/en/index.htmlI'm pleased/heartened/gladdened by the Archbishop's statement. Restores some faith in the hierarchy. I just wish he had been more pro-active. Trump didn't wake up this morning, decide to go to the Shrine and stop at a florist along the way. The visit was planned for a while; It was on the schedule; the media made multiple requests this morning for comment about the visit and the Archdiocese was silent. They finally issued the statement around the time Trump arrived at the Shrine--with the result that the initial media reports suggested that the Archdiocese had authorized the visit. I don't think it was Barr. Pat Cipollone, Trump's counsel, was General Counsel to the Knights of Columbus and sat on the Board for a time in the late 90's. Carl Anderson, the Supreme Knight, is a long time GOP fundraiser--legislative aide to Jesse Helms, worked in the Reagan White House--and sits on on the Board of Trustees of both Catholic University and the Basilica. I'm just hard pressed to believe that the K of C didn't give the Archdiocese a heads up. Maybe the letter is in the mail. It may be naive but I would have liked to see the Archbishop greet him on the steps and tell Trump he wasn't welcome. You think Trump would know the difference? Talk is cheap. I had uncles who were missionary priests in Rhodesia preaching equal rights before they were invited to leave. My family tradition is that clergy speak truth to power, which is why I was extremely disappointed in Archbishop Gregory last night when it appeared he had some involvement in the photo op. Props to the Archbishop.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 2, 2020 15:11:35 GMT -5
Statement of Archbishop Gregory on Trump visit. He does not condone the visit and is not "entertaining" Trump. It sounds as if the Archdiocese of Washington has not sanctioned this visit. "I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree. Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace." adw.org/JPII Shrine is generally open to the public so can't expect the Archbishop to attempt to ban Trump - that wouldn't be Christian-like would it? Even wouldn't ban a sociopath. I have no doubt that this is an AG Barr idea since he is Catholic but not of the Opus Dei variety although people have doubts despite Opus Dei's statement that he is not so aligned. www.jp2shrine.org/en/index.htmlI'm pleased/heartened/gladdened by the Archbishop's statement. Restores some faith in the hierarchy. I just wish he had been more pro-active. Trump didn't wake up this morning, decide to go to the Shrine and stop at a florist along the way. The visit was planned for a while; It was on the schedule; the media made multiple requests this morning for comment about the visit and the Archdiocese was silent. They finally issued the statement around the time Trump arrived at the Shrine--with the result that the initial media reports suggested that the Archdiocese had authorized the visit. I don't think it was Barr. Pat Cipollone, Trump's counsel, was General Counsel to the Knights of Columbus and sat on the Board for a time in the late 90's. Carl Anderson, the Supreme Knight, is a long time GOP fundraiser--legislative aide to Jesse Helms, worked in the Reagan White House--and sits on on the Board of Trustees of both Catholic University and the Basilica. I'm just hard pressed to believe that the K of C didn't give the Archdiocese a heads up. Maybe the letter is in the mail. It may be naive but I would have liked to see the Archbishop greet him on the steps and tell Trump he wasn't welcome. You think Trump would know the difference? Talk is cheap. I had uncles who were missionary priests in Rhodesia preaching equal rights before they were invited to leave. My family tradition is that clergy speak truth to power, which is why I was extremely disappointed in Archbishop Gregory last night when it appeared he had some involvement in the photo op. Props to the Archbishop. Thanks. Forgot about Cipollone. (BTW, I went to Catholic Law School - had too much fun at Georgetown to get in there!) EDIT: And I agree with you that Archbishop Gregory could have acted sooner and would have loved it if he "crashed" the photo op to gently chastise Trump to change the optics. Imagine the Secret Service stiffarming him away? I can't.
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Post by badgerhoya on Jun 2, 2020 15:24:27 GMT -5
Let's see - four police officers shot in St. Louis, one shot in Las Vegas, one a victim of a hit and run in the Bronx, another beaten in the Bronx, another injured in a tussle in Richmond, and an SUV driven through a line of law enforcement officers in Buffalo. Not to mention bricks and rocks thrown at officers. Except for a few words by hoyarooter, the Sounds of Silence continues. While we convert yet another thread into Trump bashing. I’ll add my $0.02 here. In my mind, the question comes down to how do we de-escalate the situation. Without question, what transpired in Minneapolis and Louisville has escalated tensions - and are part of a broader story where black people in this country are denied life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness by the state itself. And the de facto response in many jurisdictions has not been to absorb that anger into something productive, but rather reflect that via an us vs. them mentality where the protestors are seen as an “enemy” to be defeated. Thus, violence begets violence. Tear gas begets rocks and bricks. As for the damage done to businesses and other property, I don’t think anyone really is arguing that it’s ok on its face. Especially in the time of a pandemic and economic uncertainty, it feels like a double shot to the gut for these communities. I only hope that as normality returns, we all show our support to these communities - both with our wallets and our representatives - to help them rebuild and not just used as a prop for how our cities are wastelands.
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Post by blueeagle on Jun 2, 2020 15:28:30 GMT -5
Let's see - four police officers shot in St. Louis, one shot in Las Vegas, one a victim of a hit and run in the Bronx, another beaten in the Bronx, another injured in a tussle in Richmond, and an SUV driven through a line of law enforcement officers in Buffalo. Not to mention bricks and rocks thrown at officers. Except for a few words by hoyarooter, the Sounds of Silence continues. While we convert yet another thread into Trump bashing. This is not a zero sum game. We should not view this crisis through an us vs. them prism. We should not be arguing whose list of grievances is longer (though I do think one list is MUCH longer). Much like the debate of whether to open businesses vs. to stay at home due to COVID 19, one can take a position where it is not an either or choice of whether you support peaceful protesters or law enforcement. Trump wants us to frame the discussion in that way to sow divisions in our country that are unfortunately continuing to grow. Violence against people of color begat violence against police and property. And in response, the president's rhetoric has included words like domination, thugs, and jerks. He chooses to divide us. For that, I will not be silent.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 2, 2020 16:05:06 GMT -5
President Trump triggered sharp condemnation from top religious leaders for the second time in two days on Tuesday, with Washington Archbishop Wilton Gregory slamming his visit to a D.C. shrine honoring Pope John Paul II. www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/02/trump-catholic-shrine-church-bible-protesters/“As Trump visits the St John Paul II National Shrine today, I hope someone proclaims today's Gospel (Mark 12:13-17) where Herodians and Pharisees are called out for their hypocrisy,” Bishop John Stowe of Lexington, Ky., tweeted Tuesday morning. Sister Simone Campbell, who heads the social justice lobbying group Network, said in a statement: “President Trump is now using the Catholic faith in another photo op to defend his appalling refusal to address racism and police violence in the United States. He is trying to create a false dichotomy of peaceful protestors versus the Church. That could not be further from the truth, and any Christian who believes it does not understand Jesus’s message.” www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/06/02/washington-archbishop-wilton-gregory-calls-trumps-visit-john-paul-ii
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 18:51:27 GMT -5
My agenda is freedom. I just want what you have. If we're going to talk about "The Sounds of Silence" How long have you known about racial injustice, oppression, and mistreatment of minorities in this country? How many unarmed minorities have you seen had their lives stripped from them at the hands of law enforcement, or in the case of Ahmaud Arbery wanna be law enforcement for no other reason than their skin color being deemed a threat? How many times have you seen their economic situation, and job opportunities negatively effected by their skin color? If you know these things exist, and have existed for a long time. Why don't you lift your voice now to help us get free? When I read your lecture to me I realize how little you know me. I'm sorry you read that as a lecture instead of a plea for help.
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