rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 14, 2020 10:45:34 GMT -5
? Whatever your feelings are about me it doesn’t change the fact that what I said above is factual. Imo the lesson here is It’s not always what a person says but how they say it that rubs people the wrong way. I think the reason some of your comments aren’t well received is because you’re kind of a jerk about it. Could be or it could be people don’t like hearing the reality and would rather live in fantasy. There are people on here that don’t always agree with my points but we can have conversations. There are others that just write it off and don’t want to hear it and say it’s ridiculous. I’ve tried to give those people their own threads so they can have a safe space. No, he’s right. You’re not good with words and it’s offputting. The way you frame an argument is almost more important that the argument itself. Hence not what you say but how you say it. I’m sure many posters around here could say the same about me, but it’s by choice on my end. Not here to coddle posters into believing my version of the truth. And it’s not because I’m callous, but it’s just more expedient to get to the bottom line than have to spell out step by step what I believe.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 14, 2020 10:46:39 GMT -5
We don't offer. They do "homework". They reach back to us when our team is in shambles. We get all of our coaches together on a Zoom w/ him. We get him. I get that he's not a priority recruit, and that he sort of fell into our lap, but as a process thing, I don't really know what goes on in our recruiting or why it is going so poorly. This was a softball question about how the staff wooed you on the Zoom call and his answer was that they didn't even send him a virtual campus tour which is weird because it'd literally be sending someone some links. That's not exactly flattering, and it's kind of reminiscent to the end-JT2 era that we're ending up with guys that are recruiting themselves. The default is that kids recruit programs until the programs start recruiting them. That’s pretty standard.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 14, 2020 10:47:35 GMT -5
Is this a recruit that demanded extra special attention? Personally - I don't think TJ gets a sniff from us unless our roster craters out in the last 5 months. It sounds like he & his dad thought maybe they were a little under-recruited and were looking for "bigger" spots and worked to promote themselves. To tie in HoyaTalk... KJ Feagin comes to mind. We weren't biting at the time, but now we're on a nation-wide scavenger hunt (Mid Michigan College?) & throwing out offers to just about anybody who can play in the upcoming semester. I'm not saying TJ can't be a successful player for us - just that our initial evaluations didn't make him someone we'd have offered. So why would we have courted him? As for Kirby... sure, he's far and away our most successful recruiter. But he seems to have fallen into this one. Feagin would have easily been the best guard PE coached @ Gtown, his Pops was correct in his assessment of him... This could be said for a number of the incoming players... As for TJ, I don't think he's a reach at all if he played out the year before committing he would have gotten some solid offers in my view... You and “reportedly” had a few since he decommitted!
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Post by hoyainla on May 14, 2020 11:02:09 GMT -5
Could be or it could be people don’t like hearing the reality and would rather live in fantasy. There are people on here that don’t always agree with my points but we can have conversations. There are others that just write it off and don’t want to hear it and say it’s ridiculous. I’ve tried to give those people their own threads so they can have a safe space. No, he’s right. You’re not good with words and it’s offputting. The way you frame an argument is almost more important that the argument itself. Hence not what you say but how you say it. I’m sure many posters around here could say the same about me, but it’s by choice on my end. Not here to coddle posters into believing my version of the truth. And it’s not because I’m callous, but it’s just more expedient to get to the bottom line than have to spell out step by step what I believe. That’s fine. In the end I think people know what I’m trying to say and either agree or disagree with it. If they agree they don’t care how it’s said and if they don’t they are going to think it’s said bad.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 14, 2020 11:23:53 GMT -5
Love this kid! He does his homework!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 11:33:03 GMT -5
Is this a recruit that demanded extra special attention? Personally - I don't think TJ gets a sniff from us unless our roster craters out in the last 5 months. It sounds like he & his dad thought maybe they were a little under-recruited and were looking for "bigger" spots and worked to promote themselves. To tie in HoyaTalk... KJ Feagin comes to mind. We weren't biting at the time, but now we're on a nation-wide scavenger hunt (Mid Michigan College?) & throwing out offers to just about anybody who can play in the upcoming semester. I'm not saying TJ can't be a successful player for us - just that our initial evaluations didn't make him someone we'd have offered. So why would we have courted him? As for Kirby... sure, he's far and away our most successful recruiter. But he seems to have fallen into this one. Feagin would have easily been the best guard PE coached @ Gtown, his Pops was correct in his assessment of him... This could be said for a number of the incoming players... As for TJ, I don't think he's a reach at all if he played out the year before committing he would have gotten some solid offers in my view... The waiting game has just as much to do with some of these offers as the SR year production. In TJ's case, I think both helped to get him to sign with the Hoyas. In June 2019 when he commited to Penn, he hadn't been a starter or distinguished himself in AAU ball... so our staff (seemingly & unsurprisingly) wasn't interested in bringing him on. Now he's shown a little. Will he be worthy of the spot? Who knows? All these kids are a crapshoot to some degree. But the CV is still thin compared to kids like Sibley, Beard, or even Clark. Whatever the reason, I'm not going to complain about our staff overlooking him last year (seems logical) or taking him now. I'll be rooting for him.
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Post by justsaying on May 14, 2020 12:52:50 GMT -5
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When asked about what the staff has been telling him: “They have been watching full game footage & liking what they see. They are just building a great culture at Georgetown. From what I see Coach is about building great men.”
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Post by rockhoya on May 14, 2020 14:18:21 GMT -5
No, he’s right. You’re not good with words and it’s offputting. The way you frame an argument is almost more important that the argument itself. Hence not what you say but how you say it. I’m sure many posters around here could say the same about me, but it’s by choice on my end. Not here to coddle posters into believing my version of the truth. And it’s not because I’m callous, but it’s just more expedient to get to the bottom line than have to spell out step by step what I believe. That’s fine. In the end I think people know what I’m trying to say and either agree or disagree with it. If they agree they don’t care how it’s said and if they don’t they are going to think it’s said bad. We can agree on that!
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on May 15, 2020 12:44:38 GMT -5
Berger's 247sports.com interview on its Hoya page is well worth reading...
So, Kirby was scouting Berger's ranked teammates and was struck by his play. Not sure how that amounts to having "fallen into" a player, but whatever. Glad coach Kirby has an eye for talent.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 15, 2020 13:59:15 GMT -5
I'm not saying TJ can't be a successful player for us - just that our initial evaluations didn't make him someone we'd have offered. So why would we have courted him? As for Kirby... sure, he's far and away our most successful recruiter. But he seems to have fallen into this one. At the point where you are extending someone an official offer, maybe you send them a virtual campus tour or something? That's the part I find a little ridiculous. We have sent virtual tours to recruits, so I don't know if he decided to commit before we got to that point, or exactly how it developed. Does seem odd though.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:11:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:36:04 GMT -5
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dense
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Post by dense on May 24, 2020 16:54:37 GMT -5
Its been disabled for copy but follow the link
I really think this kid is going to help next year. This game is a good illustration. If he was playing under jt3, he have more of an impact cause he is a lethal shooter. This game i had him for 25 points and 6-11 3s. But most of the misses were on line just short. Also he makes smart plays all thru in this game, sometimes he isn't strong with the ball but he makes a lot of good decisions. Not worried about his release point at all.
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Post by zxhoya on May 24, 2020 17:11:39 GMT -5
Its been disabled for copy but follow the link I really think this kid is going to help next year. This game is a good illustration. If he was playing under jt3, he have more of an impact cause he is a lethal shooter. This game i had him for 25 points and 6-11 3s. But most of the misses were on line just short. Also he makes smart plays all thru in this game, sometimes he isn't strong with the ball but he makes a lot of good decisions. Not worried about his release point at all. I agree 100% Dense. I watched this game this morning and I think we are lucky to be getting this young man, he's a good ball handler and play maker but he's not a point guard. He has a great, effortless stroke with a pretty quick release and a very effective pump fake and side step to get off his shot. Coaching staff are getting players who know how to play, good basketball IQ as young players can only help.
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Post by dense on May 24, 2020 17:31:55 GMT -5
Its been disabled for copy but follow the link I really think this kid is going to help next year. This game is a good illustration. If he was playing under jt3, he have more of an impact cause he is a lethal shooter. This game i had him for 25 points and 6-11 3s. But most of the misses were on line just short. Also he makes smart plays all thru in this game, sometimes he isn't strong with the ball but he makes a lot of good decisions. Not worried about his release point at all. I agree 100% Dense. I watched this game this morning and I think we are lucky to be getting this young man, he's a good ball handler and play maker but he's not a point guard. He has a great, effortless stroke with a pretty quick release and a very effective pump fake and side step to get off his shot. Coaching staff are getting players who know how to play, good basketball IQ as young players can only help. Totally agree, he is not a full-time PG at the BE level. He just knows how to find shots without hogging the ball. This game shows how rankings work. He is not the most physically gifted player on the floor but he is the epitome of Organized ball player. At the park you don't pick this kid right away but he can put the ball in the basket.
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Post by jwp91 on May 24, 2020 17:46:28 GMT -5
We have been desperate for shooters, and this kid fits the bill perfectly.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 24, 2020 18:31:08 GMT -5
We have been desperate for shooters, and this kid fits the bill perfectly. Anybody who can shoot well will/should get a fair amount of immediate minutes, unless they are sorely lacking in other ways (and even then, that is not necessarily a deal breaker). I am looking forward to seeing Berger.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 18:54:17 GMT -5
His shot could get him on the court. His defense could keep him off it.
Athleticism has improved a little as he's got stronger.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 24, 2020 19:29:19 GMT -5
I’ll trade threes for twos. 😂
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Post by hoyaroc on May 24, 2020 20:46:10 GMT -5
TJ plays off ball very well. He needs to get stronger and add some weigh. He’s definitely has a three point shot and basketball IQ.
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