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Post by professorhoya on May 10, 2020 18:59:28 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 10, 2020 19:20:19 GMT -5
Yes, and that’s Duke. LSU, Arizona, Kansas, Memphis, Louisville and others care even less about breaking the rules. Hard to compete for prized recruits.
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TC
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Post by TC on May 10, 2020 19:25:29 GMT -5
This time it's different with Holmgren and Cisse!
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Post by EtomicB on May 10, 2020 21:23:30 GMT -5
Do you want kids whose families are looking(demanding) benefits? I have no problem with kids getting all they can from their talents...
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Post by Elvado on May 11, 2020 5:27:08 GMT -5
This will all get buried and Count Chocula will remain the self-anointed paragon of virtue in college basketball.
Why would they care about Zion when they still have not whacked Duke for using an ineligible Corey Magette 20 years ago?
Let’s hear Jay Bilas explain this one, after he gets his head out of Chocula’s lap...
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Post by bostonfan on May 11, 2020 7:21:03 GMT -5
This will all get buried and Count Chocula will remain the self-anointed paragon of virtue in college basketball. Why would they care about Zion when they still have not whacked Duke for using an ineligible Corey Magette 20 years ago? Let’s hear Jay Bilas explain this one, after he gets his head out of Chocula’s lap... Duke cheats? Shocking!!!!!!
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Post by centercourt400s on May 11, 2020 8:03:42 GMT -5
I propose that we stop calling Duke, Kansas, UNC, Kentucky et al. bluebloods and start calling then greenbloods.
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Post by centercourt400s on May 11, 2020 8:28:42 GMT -5
Sports Illustrated article, by Pat Forde: "The Kansas case is winding its way toward a hearing. So is North Carolina State’s case. Memphis is immersed in a battle with the NCAA. Louisville just received a Notice of Allegations last week. So have Oklahoma State, USC, South Carolina and TCU. Creighton and Auburn won’t confirm or deny receiving an NOA, but it is highly likely that both have. Alabama, Arizona and LSU would seem to be on deck. If all 13 of those schools do wind up receiving Notices of Allegations, that’s 17 percent of the membership of the Power-6 basketball conferences. That’s not a small number of implicated programs. And yet that number wouldn’t include Duke, the national leader in talent procurement in recent years. That’s why a lot of people in college basketball would like to see Gina Ford’s provocative questions answered by Zion Williamson, under oath if need be." www.si.com/college/2020/05/10/why-zion-williamson-lawsuit-should-worry-duke
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Post by hoya73 on May 11, 2020 9:23:54 GMT -5
K's picture has always appeared alongside the definition of "sanctimonious bastard" in my dictionary.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 11, 2020 9:39:37 GMT -5
K's picture has always appeared alongside the definition of "sanctimonious bastard" in my dictionary. Funny...my dictionary doesn't have any adjectives.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 11, 2020 9:43:20 GMT -5
Do you want kids whose families are looking(demanding) benefits? I have no problem with kids getting all they can from their talents... As long as they follow the rules. Then again, when parents, other family members, colleges, shoe companies, agents etc. don't follow the rules it is hard to expect the players to be the only ones that do.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 11, 2020 10:30:42 GMT -5
Not to rein in our collective glee over the thought of Duke getting called out, and recognizing that his professional representative might have a fair amount of inside knowledge, separate nearly identical Interrogatories like these often suggest that the other side knows, or possibly just strongly suspects, that some type of "benefit" was requested/demanded, and may have been received - but does not know exactly who gave it so they make separate demands for all possible sources. So Count K and the Devils may figure out a way to deflect any wrongdoing onto one or both of the shoe companies, which in turn would accept blame in order to maintain the relationship.
But it is still fun to fantasize about Count K breaking into a sweat as he rises from his Blue and White padded coffin each evening.
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TC
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Post by TC on May 11, 2020 10:45:38 GMT -5
Isn't this all going to be basically legal now with the endorsements thing?
Nothing at all will happen to Coach K but I'm sure the NCAA will bring a can of whoopass to whatever minor violation happens at the next midmajor to make up for it.
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Post by justsaying on May 11, 2020 13:00:10 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/the-new-zion-williamson-scandal-is-the-ncaas-nightmare/ar-BB13V4n1?li=BBnb7Kz"If you think Nike-sponsored Duke is immune to this system, or uniquely clean, you're naive. If you think that of any big school, you're naive. You don't succeed at getting players like Zion Williamson without getting in the mud with everyone else, because if you don't get in the mud, you get outspent and left behind, and then you lose money and get fired. Simple! Oh, and in the endless no-accountability circle, it's probably worth noting this short graph from Schlabach's story: Duke said it conducted a months-long investigation into Avenatti's allegations and found no evidence of wrongdoing. You don't say! The people accused of being in bed with shoe reps who throw cash and benefits at major recruits and their families in order to filter them to friendly schools say there's nothing to see here? Well, I guess it's time to move on!"
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Post by justsaying on May 11, 2020 13:08:48 GMT -5
If any of this is close to being credible; Coach Ollie's infractions weren't even close and you see what happened to him.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 11, 2020 13:26:46 GMT -5
Isn't this all going to be basically legal now with the endorsements thing? Nothing at all will happen to Coach K but I'm sure the NCAA will bring a can of whoopass to whatever minor violation happens at the next midmajor to make up for it. Players will be able to make money from their likeness - jerseys with their names, images in video games, etc. - I think commercial endorsements although I have not read the specifics yet. I don't think schools will be able to woo players with no-show or overpaid jobs for their family members, new houses or free rentals, a tractor, etc.
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Post by SSHoya on May 11, 2020 13:31:16 GMT -5
If any of this is close to being credible; Coach Ollie's infractions weren't even close and you see what happened to him. As we used to say in the Navy, "Different spanks for different ranks."
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Post by swhoya on May 11, 2020 13:41:37 GMT -5
Do you want kids whose families are looking(demanding) benefits? I have no problem with kids getting all they can from their talents... Whether they should benefit is a totally legitimate question, and a concept I tend to agree with. I'm not okay with a small handful of schools/players doing it in contravention of the rules. If we're going to do it, let's do it on the up-and-up and with established boundaries. Otherwise, it's just going to be the rich getting richer.
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TC
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Post by TC on May 11, 2020 13:50:06 GMT -5
Isn't this all going to be basically legal now with the endorsements thing? Nothing at all will happen to Coach K but I'm sure the NCAA will bring a can of whoopass to whatever minor violation happens at the next midmajor to make up for it. Players will be able to make money from their likeness - jerseys with their names, images in video games, etc. - I think commercial endorsements although I have not read the specifics yet. I don't think schools will be able to woo players with no-show or overpaid jobs for their family members, new houses or free rentals, a tractor, etc. They won't need to do any of those things with the commercial endorsements passed. They can basically shovel all of the money through that pipeline legally.
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Post by professorhoya on May 11, 2020 13:51:02 GMT -5
If any of this is close to being credible; Coach Ollie's infractions weren't even close and you see what happened to him. I think this is one place where it's apt to pull the Race Card. Kevin Ollie had the book thrown at him and his career destroyed for much less while white coaches like Coach K, Bill Self, Roy Williams, Sean Miller, Will Wade get off with a slap of the wrist. Considering how few African American coaches there are in the power 5 conferences/big six this separate but unequal treatment is extremely egregious by the NCAA. theundefeated.com/features/where-are-the-black-basketball-coaches-in-the-power-5-conferences/
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