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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 22, 2020 9:20:32 GMT -5
One thought would be to move all non-intentional contact sports (baseball, volleyball, gymnastics, etc.) to the Fall if they aren't already fall sports and push every intentional-contact (football, basketball, wrestling, soccer) to the Spring. It would involve moving mountains and you still will have transmission of the virus but you would need to trace & contain as much as possible. I think there is some validity to DFW's original point of how long are you going to wait? We all are keeping our fingers crossed for Jan/February when the timeline very well could be Fall of '21. Very few of these kids are high risk and those that are I don't think I would be on a campus in the fall (regardless of whether I was a student or a student/athlete). We are in weird times but I really hope in class instruction starts in the Fall in some capacity as it is very important for the kids education. You are learning from your peers as much as you are the professors.
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 22, 2020 9:47:02 GMT -5
I would think this needs to be announced by July at the latest? I’d think arenas and tv contracts are the bottleneck on the basketball side of making this change?
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 22, 2020 10:20:29 GMT -5
I would think this needs to be announced by July at the latest? I think arenas and tv contracts are the bottleneck on the basketball side of making this change? I wouoldn't be surprised if NHL and NBA don't use their normal arenas. NHL is already going to play this summer in two approved locations and NBA is in Orlando. I think NFL will be the true indicator since it would be much harder have all teams in one location without spreading games out 7 days a week.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 4, 2020 7:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Jul 6, 2020 11:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by centercourt400s on Jul 6, 2020 14:55:51 GMT -5
I'm getting more and more pessimistic that there will be a season. As soon as you start thinking about some of the obstacles it just seems to get increasingly improbable.
-Nightmare of staying safe with constant travel -The logistics and expense behind constant testing -Confusion over possible differing rules across conferences about testing -How does refereeing work? Refs will not only rightfully fear for their safety but with all their travel and exposure could be potentially huge threats to spread the virus. -What happens when a breakout occurs on a team? They forfeit games I guess but for how long? -If you just played a team that subsequently had a breakout, do you quarantine? For how long? That leads to other forfeits and a domino effect of missed games for multiple teams. -What happens when a positive test comes back in the middle of a tournament? Given the short time tournaments normally take, would the whole thing be cancelled? -Coaching staffs are much more at risk than college athletes. Will they want teams to play? -All this against the backdrop of greatly reduced revenue due to the likelihood of empty arenas.
Its just too much, I have to think it will all fall apart at some point before games are played. All it is going to take is one major school in one conference to cancel their season, or even part of their season and the whole thing would collapse.
An effective vaccine is a huge hope but even that could be undermined if there are distribution delays or if the nutty anti-vaxxers convince enough people to not take it.
Sorry, just feeling very pessimistic about the season right now.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jul 6, 2020 16:09:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure where I fall on whether a season takes place, but let's assume it doesn't. NCAA would likely have to give seniors another year of eligibility to play so where do we stand if that happens? Do people think most seniors will come back? Clock is ticking on the time to make money while playing ball, does someone like Jalen Harris/Pickett turn pro because they are already older. Would we be in a better place than others to recruit? We have less of a known bench compared to some other teams so I think we can offer more minutes. You'd likely see some more transfers. This would all be a (lusterfu(k logistically so not sure what to think.
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Post by TC on Jul 6, 2020 16:22:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure where I fall on whether a season takes place, but let's assume it doesn't. NCAA would likely have to give seniors another year of eligibility to play so where do we stand if that happens? Do people think most seniors will come back? Seniors would be able to be grad-transfer in that scenario. That's not just our three seniors + Harris - the entire senior class across college basketball would be grad transfer eligible immediately, provided they graduated. It'd also create a crunch, because so many grad transfers would flood out a section of incoming freshmen in the class of 2021.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 6, 2020 16:25:07 GMT -5
I'm getting more and more pessimistic that there will be a season. As soon as you start thinking about some of the obstacles it just seems to get increasingly improbable. -Nightmare of staying safe with constant travel -The logistics and expense behind constant testing -Confusion over possible differing rules across conferences about testing -How does refereeing work? Refs will not only rightfully fear for their safety but with all their travel and exposure could be potentially huge threats to spread the virus. -What happens when a breakout occurs on a team? They forfeit games I guess but for how long? -If you just played a team that subsequently had a breakout, do you quarantine? For how long? That leads to other forfeits and a domino effect of missed games for multiple teams. -What happens when a positive test comes back in the middle of a tournament? Given the short time tournaments normally take, would the whole thing be cancelled? -Coaching staffs are much more at risk than college athletes. Will they want teams to play? -All this against the backdrop of greatly reduced revenue due to the likelihood of empty arenas. Its just too much, I have to think it will all fall apart at some point before games are played. All it is going to take is one major school in one conference to cancel their season, or even part of their season and the whole thing would collapse. An effective vaccine is a huge hope but even that could be undermined if there are distribution delays or if the nutty anti-vaxxers convince enough people to not take it. Sorry, just feeling very pessimistic about the season right now. I don’t see how Fall sports are played. Without a national emergency declaration to prepare a proper national response, the positive cases will continue to increase exponentially. Trump will not declare one before the elections unless the daily deaths increase rapidly. Today, he tweeted that schools must open for the Fall semester and that Democrats don’t want schools to open to make him look bad. So, prepare for the situation to go from bad to worse before schools start.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jul 6, 2020 18:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by hoya95 on Jul 6, 2020 22:55:30 GMT -5
Now there's a proposal to move the basketball season up a couple of weeks. Still think they'll have to go the other way. They could try to start the season in January (when hopefully there is a treatment at least) and then do a "May Madness" or something. Since the start of the NBA season is going to be delayed next year too, there shouldn't be a conflict with the NBA playoffs. We'll see, I guess. www.si.com/college/2020/07/06/ncaa-asks-conferences-to-start-season-early
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jul 7, 2020 6:13:22 GMT -5
IMO, the only logical path is conference games only starting in January.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 7, 2020 6:36:40 GMT -5
IMO, the only logical path is conference games only starting in January. The non-conference schedule is contractual. Do those contracts have a force majeure clause to enable Georgetown to be released from its contractual obligations to play the games? A force majeure event refers to the occurrence of an event which is outside the reasonable control of a party and which prevents that party from performing its obligations under a contract. English common law has no general concept of force majeure. A party’s ability to claim relief for a force majeure event therefore depends upon the terms of the contract, and the force majeure provision in particular. Force majeure provisions are express terms and will not ordinarily be implied into contracts governed by English law. www.shearman.com/perspectives/2020/03/covid-19--force-majeure-event
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 7, 2020 6:53:18 GMT -5
The school is also in a conference that had an insurance policy protecting their conference tournament against natural disaster, so one might expect similar measures in this instance.
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Post by bostonfan on Jul 7, 2020 8:28:48 GMT -5
With Georgetown announcing that mostly only freshman will be allowed on campus to start the Fall term, I am not sure how this impacts athletics at the school. Would they make an exception and let scholarship athletes on campus to train and start seasons when other students are not allowed? They say they have not made any final decisions on fall sports, but it does not seem to be trending in a direction that would allow for sports this fall/winter.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jul 7, 2020 12:11:33 GMT -5
IMO, the only logical path is conference games only starting in January. The non-conference schedule is contractual. Do those contracts have a force majeure clause to enable Georgetown to be released from its contractual obligations to play the games? A force majeure event refers to the occurrence of an event which is outside the reasonable control of a party and which prevents that party from performing its obligations under a contract. English common law has no general concept of force majeure. A party’s ability to claim relief for a force majeure event therefore depends upon the terms of the contract, and the force majeure provision in particular. Force majeure provisions are express terms and will not ordinarily be implied into contracts governed by English law. www.shearman.com/perspectives/2020/03/covid-19--force-majeure-eventForce Majeure clauses don;t have to be in the contract in order for a party to negate their responsibilities. The Doctrine of Impossibility/Impracticability can and will be used to renege on a contractual obligation with no fault due to Covid-19. Don't think there would be any issues with getting out of our obligation. Georgetown definitely has top lawyers and this would likely be a straightforward matter.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 7, 2020 16:58:39 GMT -5
The only way I can see anyone having a season is really to go to a conference bubble format (with players having online classes) and only play games in conference till having a bubble NCAA tourney. I think that lowers the risk the best.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 7, 2020 17:06:06 GMT -5
The non-conference schedule is contractual. Do those contracts have a force majeure clause to enable Georgetown to be released from its contractual obligations to play the games? A force majeure event refers to the occurrence of an event which is outside the reasonable control of a party and which prevents that party from performing its obligations under a contract. English common law has no general concept of force majeure. A party’s ability to claim relief for a force majeure event therefore depends upon the terms of the contract, and the force majeure provision in particular. Force majeure provisions are express terms and will not ordinarily be implied into contracts governed by English law. www.shearman.com/perspectives/2020/03/covid-19--force-majeure-eventForce Majeure clauses don;t have to be in the contract in order for a party to negate their responsibilities. The Doctrine of Impossibility/Impracticability can and will be used to renege on a contractual obligation with no fault due to Covid-19. Don't think there would be any issues with getting out of our obligation. Georgetown definitely has top lawyers and this would likely be a straightforward matter. There are arguments both ways. It depends on the contractual language, but it is no slam dunk (pun intended).
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