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Post by justsaying on Apr 4, 2020 13:06:53 GMT -5
Some of you have already watched the HBO special "The Scheme" and for those that have not you may want to watch. For those of the program and staff criers of shortcomings maybe a needed watch.
When taped recording of such coaches as Will Wade discussing 100K+ payments to some players that maybe 4 stars players ( only guess what 5 stars are getting ) and the whole layout of the college recruiting, and the mentioning of other college staffs such as the Arizona's (ummh Akin...), the young subject at the center of the reporting admits he didn't invent all this he was just here to make money like everyone else (very knowledgeable and well known throughout the college coaches circles), then you maybe will start to realize the extreme battle this staff has just to fill a roster that is unless these kids will not take 100K+ that our staff is willing to offer (only guess we are not offering yet).
Also by the end of the report you will realize the all these various institutions know what there coaching staffs are doing and is fine with it for all the money that these programs are bringing in, the only time they will really have to deal with this if for whatever reason a coach get caught, or prostituting, or abuse of women just might be (that is if it comes to light) is something may have to take action on. The payment part is really not that out of bounds given the benefits they are going to receive. As the subject of this report alludes to all the big boys do it and some of the little boys.
So when you are complaining about not pulling top recruits or even top 4 star recruits you need to be discussing how far you want your program to go, that will be something to truely complain about.
One other thought the NCAA is fine with it along as you are not in the news and they do not have to respond in some way or other, that can only be the only guess of who with power was trying to keep the implicated coaches from testifying.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2020 14:01:46 GMT -5
Some of you have already watched the HBO special "The Scheme" and for those that have not you may want to watch. For those of the program and staff criers of shortcomings maybe a needed watch. When taped recording of such coaches as Will Wade discussing 100K+ payments to some players that maybe 4 stars players ( only guess what 5 stars are getting ) and the whole layout of the college recruiting, and the mentioning of other college staffs such as the Arizona's (ummh Akin...), the young subject at the center of the reporting admits he didn't invent all this he was just here to make money like everyone else (very knowledgeable and well known throughout the college coaches circles), then you maybe will start to realize the extreme battle this staff has just to fill a roster that is unless these kids will not take 100K+ that our staff is willing to offer (only guess we are not offering yet). Also by the end of the report you will realize the all these various institutions know what there coaching staffs are doing and is fine with it for all the money that these programs are bringing in, the only time they will really have to deal with this if for whatever reason a coach get caught, or prostituting, or abuse of women just might be (that is if it comes to light) is something may have to take action on. The payment part is really not that out of bounds given the benefits they are going to receive. As the subject of this report alludes to all the big boys do it and some of the little boys. So when you are complaining about not pulling top recruits or even top 4 star recruits you need to be discussing how far you want your program to go, that will be something to truely complain about.
One other thought the NCAA is fine with it along as you are not in the news and they do not have to respond in some way or other, that can only be the only guess of who with power was trying to keep the implicated coaches from testifying. Outside of the Miller & Wade tapes, this documentary wasn't about programs paying players, it was much more about agents & sneaker companies trying to influence kids to sign with them The only Big East team mentioned in the piece was Creighton but we now know Dawkins asked their assistant coach Preston Murphy to meet him as a favor so he could tell the undercover FBI guy that they met so he could keep the money.. Murphy was never paid. So unless you think all the BE teams are shady there's no reason Gtown shouldn't be able to compete with Programs like PC, Butler, Xavier, Seton Hall etc...
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Post by tupac on Apr 4, 2020 15:18:58 GMT -5
Some of you have already watched the HBO special "The Scheme" and for those that have not you may want to watch. For those of the program and staff criers of shortcomings maybe a needed watch. When taped recording of such coaches as Will Wade discussing 100K+ payments to some players that maybe 4 stars players ( only guess what 5 stars are getting ) and the whole layout of the college recruiting, and the mentioning of other college staffs such as the Arizona's (ummh Akin...), the young subject at the center of the reporting admits he didn't invent all this he was just here to make money like everyone else (very knowledgeable and well known throughout the college coaches circles), then you maybe will start to realize the extreme battle this staff has just to fill a roster that is unless these kids will not take 100K+ that our staff is willing to offer (only guess we are not offering yet). Also by the end of the report you will realize the all these various institutions know what there coaching staffs are doing and is fine with it for all the money that these programs are bringing in, the only time they will really have to deal with this if for whatever reason a coach get caught, or prostituting, or abuse of women just might be (that is if it comes to light) is something may have to take action on. The payment part is really not that out of bounds given the benefits they are going to receive. As the subject of this report alludes to all the big boys do it and some of the little boys. So when you are complaining about not pulling top recruits or even top 4 star recruits you need to be discussing how far you want your program to go, that will be something to truely complain about. One other thought the NCAA is fine with it along as you are not in the news and they do not have to respond in some way or other, that can only be the only guess of who with power was trying to keep the implicated coaches from testifying.
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Post by tupac on Apr 4, 2020 15:19:29 GMT -5
Exactly
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Post by drquigley on Apr 8, 2020 15:53:49 GMT -5
I can see how competing against UNC/Kentucky/Az etc for talent puts us at a disadvantage. But hey, we are really competing against Nova, Xavier, PC etc and I don't see them cheating, or at least at the level of the aforementioned cheats. No the only thing holding us back is lack of talent. And I really believe that with a full, healthy squad this year we are at least 9-9 and an 8-9 NCAA seed.
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 8, 2020 21:34:15 GMT -5
I can see how competing against UNC/Kentucky/Az etc for talent puts us at a disadvantage. But hey, we are really competing against Nova, Xavier, PC etc and I don't see them cheating, or at least at the level of the aforementioned cheats. No the only thing holding us back is lack of talent. And I really believe that with a full, healthy squad this year we are at least 9-9 and an 8-9 NCAA seed. The talent is coming in 2020 and 2021. Go Hoyas!
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 10, 2020 20:34:48 GMT -5
I can see how competing against UNC/Kentucky/Az etc for talent puts us at a disadvantage. But hey, we are really competing against Nova, Xavier, PC etc and I don't see them cheating, or at least at the level of the aforementioned cheats. No the only thing holding us back is lack of talent. And I really believe that with a full, healthy squad this year we are at least 9-9 and an 8-9 NCAA seed. That NCAA seed is fairly unlikely.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 10, 2020 21:02:07 GMT -5
No way we go 10-10 next year in conference.
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 10, 2020 21:30:12 GMT -5
No way we go 10-10 next year in conference. Bigs R Us have more faith my Hoya brother. Anything possible with this Hoyas team in 2020/2021 season. Go Hoyas!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 10, 2020 22:58:17 GMT -5
I hope we achieve .500 next season. We lost some key upperclassmen and replaced them with freshmen for the most part, so the lack of experience will be a net negative. Mac needs to return healthy and Pickett & Blair need to be consistent.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 11, 2020 11:16:55 GMT -5
Getting back to The Scheme. Two things. One, I can't think of better cesspools for Akinjo and LeBlanc to spend the next year or two at than LSU and Arizona. The other is that the one thing missing from the documentary is that these kids are supposed to be students. They are getting scholarships that could be given to kids, especially low income and minority kids, who really need them and plan on using them to better their lives. I'm sorry but it just bothers me that these kids couldn't care less about the University they are attending or their fellow students and less talented fellow athletes. There are kids on these teams who really want to compete and win but who know they will never play professionally. We saw last year how these kids play their hearts out while their former teammates head for greener pastures.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 11, 2020 11:34:17 GMT -5
It’s a two way street, the schools don’t really care about the players or educating them. It’s only about dollars from donors, ticket sales, merchandise, sneaker companies, networks, etc. It’s a business and players are just cattle.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 11, 2020 17:01:11 GMT -5
It’s a two way street, the schools don’t really care about the players or educating them. It’s only about dollars from donors, ticket sales, merchandise, sneaker companies, networks, etc. It’s a business and players are just cattle. But is that what we at GU want to think of our basketball players?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 11, 2020 18:39:48 GMT -5
Getting back to The Scheme. Two things. One, I can't think of better cesspools for Akinjo and LeBlanc to spend the next year or two at than LSU and Arizona. The other is that the one thing missing from the documentary is that these kids are supposed to be students. They are getting scholarships that could be given to kids, especially low income and minority kids, who really need them and plan on using them to better their lives. I'm sorry but it just bothers me that these kids couldn't care less about the University they are attending or their fellow students and less talented fellow athletes. There are kids on these teams who really want to compete and win but who know they will never play professionally. We saw last year how these kids play their hearts out while their former teammates head for greener pastures. It's comical to me that you're putting the onus on the players when all the adults running college athletics are making a very nice living...
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 11, 2020 21:01:24 GMT -5
Getting back to The Scheme. Two things. One, I can't think of better cesspools for Akinjo and LeBlanc to spend the next year or two at than LSU and Arizona. The other is that the one thing missing from the documentary is that these kids are supposed to be students. They are getting scholarships that could be given to kids, especially low income and minority kids, who really need them and plan on using them to better their lives. I'm sorry but it just bothers me that these kids couldn't care less about the University they are attending or their fellow students and less talented fellow athletes. There are kids on these teams who really want to compete and win but who know they will never play professionally. We saw last year how these kids play their hearts out while their former teammates head for greener pastures. Why do you feel (and assume) the players don’t value an education? Why do you feel they can’t be students and athletes at the same time?
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Post by drquigley on Apr 12, 2020 19:56:07 GMT -5
Getting back to The Scheme. Two things. One, I can't think of better cesspools for Akinjo and LeBlanc to spend the next year or two at than LSU and Arizona. The other is that the one thing missing from the documentary is that these kids are supposed to be students. They are getting scholarships that could be given to kids, especially low income and minority kids, who really need them and plan on using them to better their lives. I'm sorry but it just bothers me that these kids couldn't care less about the University they are attending or their fellow students and less talented fellow athletes. There are kids on these teams who really want to compete and win but who know they will never play professionally. We saw last year how these kids play their hearts out while their former teammates head for greener pastures. Why do you feel (and assume) the players don’t value an education? Why do you feel they can’t be students and athletes at the same time? Are you kidding? These students left GU, an elite educational institution, for Arizona, LSU, and Southern Dogpatch. Did you watch The Scheme? Wade and Miller have been paying kids for years. If you (and/or your parents) valued an education you wouldn't go anywhere near those schools.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 12, 2020 19:59:16 GMT -5
Why do you feel (and assume) the players don’t value an education? Why do you feel they can’t be students and athletes at the same time? Are you kidding? These students left GU, an elite educational institution, for Arizona, LSU, and Southern Dogpatch. Did you watch The Scheme? Wade and Miller have been paying kids for years. If you (and/or your parents) valued an education you wouldn't go anywhere near those schools. Why do you think a player who got paid (deservingly so I’d say) would not also value an educational opportunity?
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Post by drquigley on Apr 12, 2020 20:03:50 GMT -5
Getting back to The Scheme. Two things. One, I can't think of better cesspools for Akinjo and LeBlanc to spend the next year or two at than LSU and Arizona. The other is that the one thing missing from the documentary is that these kids are supposed to be students. They are getting scholarships that could be given to kids, especially low income and minority kids, who really need them and plan on using them to better their lives. I'm sorry but it just bothers me that these kids couldn't care less about the University they are attending or their fellow students and less talented fellow athletes. There are kids on these teams who really want to compete and win but who know they will never play professionally. We saw last year how these kids play their hearts out while their former teammates head for greener pastures. It's comical to me that you're putting the onus on the players when all the adults running college athletics are making a very nice living... I'm not exonerating the coaches, athletic department heads, and the NCAA. I'm just upset that the terrible three left the team in mid season. Akinjo especially should be a pariah. It just screams, "me, me , me".
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Post by drquigley on Apr 12, 2020 20:07:31 GMT -5
Are you kidding? These students left GU, an elite educational institution, for Arizona, LSU, and Southern Dogpatch. Did you watch The Scheme? Wade and Miller have been paying kids for years. If you (and/or your parents) valued an education you wouldn't go anywhere near those schools. Why do you think a player who got paid (deservingly so I’d say) would not also value an educational opportunity? Because I like to think (obviously naively to people on this Board) that a kid who would leave GU to go to a school whose basketball program reeks of corruption just because he could get more playing time is not what I picture as someone who would consider himself a "student athlete"
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 12, 2020 20:15:25 GMT -5
Why do you think a player who got paid (deservingly so I’d say) would not also value an educational opportunity? Because I like to think (obviously naively to people on this Board) that a kid who would leave GU to go to a school whose basketball program reeks of corruption just because he could get more playing time is not what I picture as someone who would consider himself a "student athlete" These guys are in college to prepare for a chance at professional basketball. Don’t kid yourself that the guys at Georgetown are any different.
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