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Post by blueandgray on Mar 13, 2020 18:16:17 GMT -5
Just heard that the NCAA is considering extending eligibility for seniors in Spring sports that had their seasons cancelled. At the same time, they also mentioned extending eligibility for Fall sports that had the end of their seasons cancelled. Obviously there would be a ton to iron out as to how this would unfold, nonetheless its an interesting thought and possible move by the NCAA. Could have ripple effects that impact the Hoyas. Would love to hold on to the seniors who want to remain just a little but longer.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 13, 2020 18:36:19 GMT -5
I understand the sentiment and I feel bad for all the seniors that didnt get to finish their careers. That being said there is so much that would have to happen for this to work. Do you give everyone an extra year to make up for the lack of playing time for those that made their decision thinking a senior would be gone? Would already committed players be able to change their commitment? Would schools have to break commitments to get under the scholarship limit? Can these players transfer to a school that has their desired advanced degree since they are done with undergrad? The only thing the NCAA has going for it is that the Spring sports are the least "mainstream" of the seasons. If you do it for Spring how can you not do it for Winter? Is it only for those whose season didn't finish? If you play a Winter sport and didn't get to finish wouldn't you sue for your extra year?
The easier solution would be just to finish everything once this has calmed down presumably in the Summer. If kids are willing to come back for an entire extra year they surely would come back during the Summer.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 13, 2020 18:42:40 GMT -5
The Georgetown track and field people would obviously be eligible as their outdoor season is kaput.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 13, 2020 19:05:50 GMT -5
I understand the sentiment and I feel bad for all the seniors that didnt get to finish their careers. That being said there is so much that would have to happen for this to work. Do you give everyone an extra year to make up for the lack of playing time for those that made their decision thinking a senior would be gone? Would already committed players be able to change their commitment? Would schools have to break commitments to get under the scholarship limit? Can these players transfer to a school that has their desired advanced degree since they are done with undergrad? The only thing the NCAA has going for it is that the Spring sports are the least "mainstream" of the seasons. If you do it for Spring how can you not do it for Winter? Is it only for those whose season didn't finish? If you play a Winter sport and didn't get to finish wouldn't you sue for your extra year? The easier solution would be just to finish everything once this has calmed down presumably in the Summer. If kids are willing to come back for an entire extra year they surely would come back during the Summer. They’ve already cancelled because logistics of this would be too hard. Giving seniors an extra year of eligibility isn’t that much harder. Extend scholarship limit for one year and go back to normal routes the following year.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 13, 2020 19:59:18 GMT -5
I understand the sentiment and I feel bad for all the seniors that didnt get to finish their careers. That being said there is so much that would have to happen for this to work. Do you give everyone an extra year to make up for the lack of playing time for those that made their decision thinking a senior would be gone? Would already committed players be able to change their commitment? Would schools have to break commitments to get under the scholarship limit? Can these players transfer to a school that has their desired advanced degree since they are done with undergrad? The only thing the NCAA has going for it is that the Spring sports are the least "mainstream" of the seasons. If you do it for Spring how can you not do it for Winter? Is it only for those whose season didn't finish? If you play a Winter sport and didn't get to finish wouldn't you sue for your extra year? The easier solution would be just to finish everything once this has calmed down presumably in the Summer. If kids are willing to come back for an entire extra year they surely would come back during the Summer. They’ve already cancelled because logistics of this would be too hard. Giving seniors an extra year of eligibility isn’t that much harder. Extend scholarship limit for one year and go back to normal routes the following year. That's not very fair to athletes that made their decisions based on players leaving. Also do schools get unlimited scholarships next year? There will be competitive balance issues for schools that had more seniors this year. If you are a junior and a senior is coming back to you get an automatic waiver to transfer without sitting a year?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 13, 2020 20:19:27 GMT -5
They’ve already cancelled because logistics of this would be too hard. Giving seniors an extra year of eligibility isn’t that much harder. Extend scholarship limit for one year and go back to normal routes the following year. That's not very fair to athletes that made their decisions based on players leaving. Also do schools get unlimited scholarships next year? There will be competitive balance issues for schools that had more seniors this year. If you are a junior and a senior is coming back to you get an automatic waiver to transfer without sitting a year? Like many of you, I'm on the fence about granting extra eligibility to winter sports student athletes, and I can see the arguments on both sides. But all of the concerns about things like scholarship numbers, whether it's just for seniors or all players, transfer rules, fairness to the incoming class, etc. will have to be worked out for the spring sports already, so it's not like it will be more work for the NCAA to make those decisions for basketball when they're already making those decisions for every other spring sport. Also, not directed at you, but just mentioning that there is a thread on this topic in the recruiting sub forum already, so we should probably merge the discussions. hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/31988/ncaa-grants-additional-eligibility-athletes
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Post by sleepy on Mar 13, 2020 20:27:58 GMT -5
They’ve already cancelled because logistics of this would be too hard. Giving seniors an extra year of eligibility isn’t that much harder. Extend scholarship limit for one year and go back to normal routes the following year. That's not very fair to athletes that made their decisions based on players leaving. Also do schools get unlimited scholarships next year? There will be competitive balance issues for schools that had more seniors this year. If you are a junior and a senior is coming back to you get an automatic waiver to transfer without sitting a year? There isn’t going to be a perfect solution but all of those issues you pointed out seem much easier to reconcile than the canceling of the final tournaments in a senior year. Some teams will definitely have a competitor balance issue but you can still only play five players at once and depth can only help you so much. Everything else will work itself out once they figure out how it will work. They’ll have to do it for spring sports anyways so doesn’t seem that crazy to include the other winter sports.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 14, 2020 12:18:53 GMT -5
I think this is a great idea for the spring-sport athletes, but the suggestion that it be extended to winter-sport athletes makes no sense at all. The season had already concluded for the vast majority of them. Giving the entire senior class an extra year of eligibility because about one-third of the teams won’t get to play in the NCAA, NIT, etc. is overkill. Would that create a nationwide bumper crop of grad transfers? And why stop at the seniors? The underclassmen are missing the same tournament games. I understand that the situation sucks, but I don’t think giving everyone an extra year of eligibility because some people missed out on a couple of games is the solution.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 15, 2020 14:13:23 GMT -5
I think there's some on here who don't want Jagan and Terrell to come back next year because it will make our team good and that would interfere with their plans.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 15, 2020 14:55:40 GMT -5
We finished 8th. We bring Allen and Mosely back, we finish 8th again. You are assuming other teams wouldn’t bring players back. A healthy Mac may help, but our recruiting class isn’t going to catapult us anywhere.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 15, 2020 14:56:36 GMT -5
I will agree with you that Jagan and Terrell should have their eligibility extended commensurate with how many games GU missed due to Covid 19.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 15, 2020 15:36:42 GMT -5
We finished 8th. We bring Allen and Mosely back, we finish 8th again. You are assuming other teams wouldn’t bring players back. A healthy Mac may help, but our recruiting class isn’t going to catapult us anywhere. Yea that's the dumb part about all of this from the Hoyas perspective. Its not like this just applies to Georgetown and we would be the only ones that benefit. I could see if we were Butler, Marquette, Seton Hall etc but as much as I appreciate what Jagan and Terrell brought they aren't worth those other better teams not losing their seniors from a purely basketball point of view. That doesn't even bring into account that they got to play their entire senior season.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 15, 2020 15:59:21 GMT -5
I think there's some on here who don't want Jagan and Terrell to come back next year because it will make our team good and that would interfere with their plans. They would definitely be better with those guys but I don't think they'd be anywhere near as good as you think.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2020 13:25:45 GMT -5
As others have said, if all seniors are allowed to come back, everyone will be better next year. Sure, Powell and others may go if there's an NBA draft. Would Allen/Mosely make us better? Absolutely. Would I love to have them back? Absolutely. Do I think it would drastically change the trajectory for next season? Possibly at the margins. But it's not like it's the difference from being in the bottom 3 of the league and an NCAA bid.
Knowing what I know now, without Allen, Mosely, and Yurtseven, we will likely be projected somewhere between 9-11 in the Big East. With Allen and Mosely, how high would we be instead? 7-8 at best? I just don't think it makes that big a difference. While they played their butts off, keep in mind we are talking about the same guys who struggled on offense and couldn't defend. That wouldn't change much if they come back.
After thinking about it, I think that you probably need to move on, and extend no waivers. I mean, there are going to be several high school seniors who miss their prom, which stinks for them of course, but they're not going to stay in high school an extra year just to go to the prom. That's sort of what people want to do with the NCAA tournament. I totally understand why it's unfair and really stinks. If I were a Dayton fan, for example, I would be outraged. But, some things are bigger than sports and result in unfair outcomes, and this is one of those - hopefully rare - instances.
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 18, 2020 14:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 18, 2020 14:52:05 GMT -5
this is the only sensible decision.
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Post by TC on Mar 18, 2020 16:41:58 GMT -5
The only sensible decision is Terrell Allen getting another year!
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 20, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -5
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