wnyhoya
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 13, 2020 12:56:51 GMT -5
While this probably wouldn’t be to our benefit as Powell (has already tweeted about coming back) and who knows about Howard, Baldwin etc. Jagan Mosely and Terrell are so deserving of a march run, with both of them back and some wing depth behind Jamorko (kobe, jamari). Some depth at guard (beard, Harris), possibly adding a shooter in Walton or Brandon Murray?? Assuming Mac is back healthy and Blair back into a sixth man role, we’d be solidly suited to make it to March. Problem is I think this would really hurt our chances at Frankie Collins and I think he will be the next great Hoya PG if he comes here. seems a real toss up kinda situation for the Hoyas, but man I’d love to see jagan and Terrell back in blue and grey, those guys are leaders of men. True on Frankie, but he could also decide to stay in the Class of ‘21...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 13, 2020 13:02:55 GMT -5
While this probably wouldn’t be to our benefit as Powell (has already tweeted about coming back) and who knows about Howard, Baldwin etc. Jagan Mosely and Terrell are so deserving of a march run, with both of them back and some wing depth behind Jamorko (kobe, jamari). Some depth at guard (beard, Harris), possibly adding a shooter in Walton or Brandon Murray?? Assuming Mac is back healthy and Blair back into a sixth man role, we’d be solidly suited to make it to March. Problem is I think this would really hurt our chances at Frankie Collins and I think he will be the next great Hoya PG if he comes here. seems a real toss up kinda situation for the Hoyas, but man I’d love to see jagan and Terrell back in blue and grey, those guys are leaders of men. True on Frankie, but he could also decide to stay in the Class of ‘21... Yeah if we get him great, but how many times has that worked out getting someone to come here who is great at the last minute (except Akinjo, which maybe it would have been better if he hadn't come here). 5th year Mosley to me is the equivalent of a 4/5 star freshman. and 6th year Terrell Allen would be a 5 star freshman point guard. As we have seen this year you can never have too many good point/combo guards. Great point/combo guards and some big men can keep you competitive in every game without wings.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Mar 13, 2020 13:42:45 GMT -5
Powell will be 23 in July. If he has any nba aspirations, it’s time for him to move on.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2020 14:12:30 GMT -5
I think it's way to early to say what will happen. Like some others, I have mixed feelings on the extra year of eligibility, even though I would absolutely love to have Allen, Mosely, and Yurtseven back. It's not without consequences though - the younger guys would likely see less playing time across the board which might cause some guys to either do an extra high school year or not reclassify from 2021 to 2020 (for those that might otherwise be tempted this summer).
That said, giving everyone one more year would have the aggregate impact of making college teams across the board better, since everybody could retain their seniors (even if NBA pick guys leave). So yeah, we'd benefit but other teams would too.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 15, 2020 6:52:51 GMT -5
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 15, 2020 7:12:29 GMT -5
I said this in the other thread, so it’s a bit repetitive, but why would it make sense to grant an entire extra year of eligibility to every senior because about one-third of the teams are going to miss 4-5 games? And why would it apply only to seniors? Qudus Wahab played—and therefore missed—exactly the same number of postseason games this year as Jagan Mosely. I think we need to move on from this fantasy that the NCAA will grant this waiver, and more importantly, that it will somehow benefit us and not the myriad teams with deeper and more productive senior classes.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 15, 2020 8:02:25 GMT -5
I said this in the other thread, so it’s a bit repetitive, but why would it make sense to grant an entire extra year of eligibility to every senior because about one-third of the teams are going to miss 4-5 games? And why would it apply only to seniors? Qudus Wahab played—and therefore missed—exactly the same number of postseason games this year as Jagan Mosely. I think we need to move on from this fantasy that the NCAA will grant this waiver, and more importantly, that it will somehow benefit us and not the myriad teams with deeper and more productive senior classes. Thank you for this rational take.
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hoyajinx
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 15, 2020 9:04:52 GMT -5
I said this in the other thread, so it’s a bit repetitive, but why would it make sense to grant an entire extra year of eligibility to every senior because about one-third of the teams are going to miss 4-5 games? And why would it apply only to seniors? Qudus Wahab played—and therefore missed—exactly the same number of postseason games this year as Jagan Mosely. I think we need to move on from this fantasy that the NCAA will grant this waiver, and more importantly, that it will somehow benefit us and not the myriad teams with deeper and more productive senior classes. I completely agree with this, but I see why some people would want our seniors back. Allen was the first legitimate point guard we’ve had in some time, and it would be nice to get him for another year as we transition to the younger players. That said, I think you nailed it; there is absolutely no reason to give an extra year of eligibility to seniors.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 15, 2020 11:23:25 GMT -5
It’s time for seniors to move on with their lives.
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 15, 2020 11:28:24 GMT -5
It isn't going to happen - seniors or not.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 15, 2020 12:33:30 GMT -5
I said this in the other thread, so it’s a bit repetitive, but why would it make sense to grant an entire extra year of eligibility to every senior because about one-third of the teams are going to miss 4-5 games? And why would it apply only to seniors? Qudus Wahab played—and therefore missed—exactly the same number of postseason games this year as Jagan Mosely. I think we need to move on from this fantasy that the NCAA will grant this waiver, and more importantly, that it will somehow benefit us and not the myriad teams with deeper and more productive senior classes. Thank you for this rational take. Rationality isn’t necessarily the same thing as accuracy. All the poster did was ask a bunch of questions. Those questions actually have just answers. But why go any further?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 15, 2020 14:08:26 GMT -5
Figured this is the best place to put this. Open the thread in Twitter to see FLHoya’s list of his top 20 memorable but under appreciated Hoya games of the last 20 years, including some YouTube links to the game videos.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 15, 2020 14:11:32 GMT -5
I said this in the other thread, so it’s a bit repetitive, but why would it make sense to grant an entire extra year of eligibility to every senior because about one-third of the teams are going to miss 4-5 games? And why would it apply only to seniors? Qudus Wahab played—and therefore missed—exactly the same number of postseason games this year as Jagan Mosely. I think we need to move on from this fantasy that the NCAA will grant this waiver, and more importantly, that it will somehow benefit us and not the myriad teams with deeper and more productive senior classes. Cause Qudus Wahab and others in theory have another shot at March Madness. The seniors, especially the ones who have used up there eligibility don't. This season is basically a season that doesn't count. People are always whining and crying on here that we are going to be losing Jagan and Terrell next year. Yet here's an opportunity for them to play one more year and . . . <shakes head>
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Post by Elvado on Mar 15, 2020 14:15:58 GMT -5
I said this in the other thread, so it’s a bit repetitive, but why would it make sense to grant an entire extra year of eligibility to every senior because about one-third of the teams are going to miss 4-5 games? And why would it apply only to seniors? Qudus Wahab played—and therefore missed—exactly the same number of postseason games this year as Jagan Mosely. I think we need to move on from this fantasy that the NCAA will grant this waiver, and more importantly, that it will somehow benefit us and not the myriad teams with deeper and more productive senior classes. Cause Qudus Wahab and others in theory have another shot at March Madness. The seniors, especially the ones who have used up there eligibility don't. This season is basically a season that doesn't count. People are always whining and crying on here that we are going to be losing Jagan and Terrell next year. Yet here's an opportunity for them to play one more year and . . . <shakes head> As regards our Seniors, they played their full year and did not lose one minute to this pandemic.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 15, 2020 14:20:23 GMT -5
Cause Qudus Wahab and others in theory have another shot at March Madness. The seniors, especially the ones who have used up there eligibility don't. This season is basically a season that doesn't count. People are always whining and crying on here that we are going to be losing Jagan and Terrell next year. Yet here's an opportunity for them to play one more year and . . . <shakes head> As regards our Seniors, they played their full year and did not lose one minute to this pandemic. They were sick. Especially Allen and Mac. Might have been corona. Even cramped up in the last game.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 15, 2020 14:38:19 GMT -5
As regards our Seniors, they played their full year and did not lose one minute to this pandemic. They were sick. Especially Allen and Mac. Might have been corona. Even cramped up in the last game. Takes some long arms for that reach...
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 15, 2020 20:24:09 GMT -5
Thank you for this rational take. Rationality isn’t necessarily the same thing as accuracy. All the poster did was ask a bunch of questions. Those questions actually have just answers. But why go any further? But rather than answering the questions, instead we’re just going to say that there are “answers” and stop there. OK . . .
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 15, 2020 20:53:25 GMT -5
Rationality isn’t necessarily the same thing as accuracy. All the poster did was ask a bunch of questions. Those questions actually have just answers. But why go any further? But rather than answering the questions, instead we’re just going to say that there are “answers” and stop there. OK . . . Wait did I miss the part where this is a classroom of common knowledge and I’m the professor?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 16, 2020 7:23:56 GMT -5
You called me out for asking questions and not providing answers, and now in multiple posts you’ve failed to provide these supposed answers. The reason is obvious—the “answers” don’t satisfactorily answer the questions.
There is absolutely no logical reason to give every player (or even just every senior) an entire year of eligibility because 68 out of 300+ teams didn’t get to play in the NCAA (call it 100 if you want to include the NIT). Half of the teams in the tournament lose in the first round. This would mean giving hundreds of players an entire year because a small subset of them missed out on one NCAA game and maybe 2-3 games in their league tournaments.
As others have pointed out, Georgetown had already completed its season by losing in the BET before the cancelation came down. Our guys did not miss a single game due to the virus. The same is true of all of the smaller-conference teams who lost in their league tournaments before the postseason was canceled.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 16, 2020 9:25:10 GMT -5
You called me out for asking questions and not providing answers, and now in multiple posts you’ve failed to provide these supposed answers. The reason is obvious—the “answers” don’t satisfactorily answer the questions. There is absolutely no logical reason to give every player (or even just every senior) an entire year of eligibility because 68 out of 300+ teams didn’t get to play in the NCAA (call it 100 if you want to include the NIT). Half of the teams in the tournament lose in the first round. This would mean giving hundreds of players an entire year because a small subset of them missed out on one NCAA game and maybe 2-3 games in their league tournaments. As others have pointed out, Georgetown had already completed its season by losing in the BET before the cancelation came down. Our guys did not miss a single game due to the virus. The same is true of all of the smaller-conference teams who lost in their league tournaments before the postseason was canceled. He’s not very good at answering questions directed at him. Just move on from interacting with him if you are expecting any real dialogue.
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