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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 30, 2020 23:32:59 GMT -5
At first glance, I want to empathize with these parents and students. It would be impossibly frustrating if I had to do three semesters of my Georgetown experience from home. And there are certainly colleges that have made it look like things can work in an in person, on campus model.
At the same time, I am sure there is a ton of information here that I am not privy to. In particular, I have the feeling that the District is driving these decisions. They are, I'm sure, in close communication with all of the city's universities, because the city is most at risk here. Yes, students will get it, and yes, if it could be confined to Georgetown's campus, things probably wouldn't be that bad (that's also ignoring all of the faculty and staff it would put at risk, but I digress). Still, that's not the reality, especially in DC. There are almost no universities here where students are primarily confined to their campus. And given the District's success so far in containing community spread, I don't see why they would encourage a university like Georgetown to put 2,000 kids directly on top of each other in the Southwest Quad and Village C.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 31, 2020 0:40:03 GMT -5
The response from the EIC of the Voice:
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 2, 2020 8:26:50 GMT -5
From the man himself:
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 4, 2020 14:43:58 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 6, 2020 21:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 7, 2020 9:38:15 GMT -5
Here's the butting of heads ramping up a tad:
Word on the street is that they'll try to bring seniors back for Spring, but that's it.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 14, 2020 8:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 14, 2020 9:02:38 GMT -5
For over a decade Medical schools have always recorded their lectures, broad cast them live, and had them available to watch on replay after the fact. At least half of all students choose to just watch lectures from home rather than sit in the auditorium. I bet if in normal times college students were given the same option you'd see at least half of students to do lectures remotely as well. I feel a lot of this hand wringing over the quality not being the same is disingenuous.
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Post by tgo on Nov 14, 2020 11:47:48 GMT -5
For over a decade Medical schools have always recorded their lectures, broad cast them live, and had them available to watch on replay after the fact. At least half of all students choose to just watch lectures from home rather than sit in the auditorium. I bet if in normal times college students were given the same option you'd see at least half of students to do lectures remotely as well. I feel a lot of this hand wringing over the quality not being the same is disingenuous. Why does anyone attend GU or any school for that matter if classes are as valuable as watching a Ted Talk on Youtube? Maybe you are right that there is little to no difference for a large lecture class - yet half the people in your example chose to attend in person, why did they do that? If half the people think they would learn more in person is that not enough for some "hand wringing?" Of the half that watch it later, I am sure some of them didn't attend because they had another commitment they prioritized like a job, a big assignment for another class or they might have just been hung over. Those people would have liked to attend in person but appreciated the option that wasnt as good but that would be good enough. And not all people learn well in the same environment and with the same methods, is it ok to discount them and throw away their education? For what? After my freshman year i can only recall one class that was a large lecture class. almost all of them had 10 to 25 people and relied heavily on discussion amongst the students and from the give and take with the professor. Even with the best instructor on zoom, it is no where close to the same thing as an in person discussion. I cant imagine why anyone would choose to go to college this year and if me or my children were going in to or continuing college in the fall of 2021, I would not enroll, deposit etc until there was a firm commitment that school would actually be happening. I can't fathom why anyone would.
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Post by C86 on Nov 14, 2020 13:49:10 GMT -5
I wonder the extent to which GU's decisions will affect admissions for the class of 25. By the time these applicants graduate from high school, they could have spent up to a year and a half learning remotely. Would they be more inclined to attend colleges that have stayed open this year, and therefore would be be perceived as likely to open in the fall of 21?
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 15, 2020 13:08:27 GMT -5
For over a decade Medical schools have always recorded their lectures, broad cast them live, and had them available to watch on replay after the fact. At least half of all students choose to just watch lectures from home rather than sit in the auditorium. I bet if in normal times college students were given the same option you'd see at least half of students to do lectures remotely as well. I feel a lot of this hand wringing over the quality not being the same is disingenuous. Why does anyone attend GU The Tombs
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 15, 2020 13:32:00 GMT -5
Why does anyone attend GU The Tombs Wisey's?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 16, 2020 16:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2020 17:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by C86 on Nov 16, 2020 18:08:11 GMT -5
Forget it, Jake. It’s Georgetown.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 17, 2020 11:47:29 GMT -5
Forget it, Jake. It’s Georgetown. Which means that every student, but especially GUSA people, consider themselves to be an expert on everything More seriously, there really does appear to be pretty widespread opposition from students and also some faculty to this compressed schedule. It's tempting to blow it off as whining, First World Problems, etc... but that would be a mistake. Being transparent in your logic is not just good communications/PR, it's best practice generally. Unfortunately, Georgetown struggles with this.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 17, 2020 19:51:12 GMT -5
For over a decade Medical schools have always recorded their lectures, broad cast them live, and had them available to watch on replay after the fact. At least half of all students choose to just watch lectures from home rather than sit in the auditorium. I bet if in normal times college students were given the same option you'd see at least half of students to do lectures remotely as well. I feel a lot of this hand wringing over the quality not being the same is disingenuous. Why does anyone attend GU or any school for that matter if classes are as valuable as watching a Ted Talk on Youtube? Maybe you are right that there is little to no difference for a large lecture class - yet half the people in your example chose to attend in person, why did they do that? If half the people think they would learn more in person is that not enough for some "hand wringing?" Of the half that watch it later, I am sure some of them didn't attend because they had another commitment they prioritized like a job, a big assignment for another class or they might have just been hung over. Those people would have liked to attend in person but appreciated the option that wasnt as good but that would be good enough. And not all people learn well in the same environment and with the same methods, is it ok to discount them and throw away their education? For what? After my freshman year i can only recall one class that was a large lecture class. almost all of them had 10 to 25 people and relied heavily on discussion amongst the students and from the give and take with the professor. Even with the best instructor on zoom, it is no where close to the same thing as an in person discussion. I cant imagine why anyone would choose to go to college this year and if me or my children were going in to or continuing college in the fall of 2021, I would not enroll, deposit etc until there was a firm commitment that school would actually be happening. I can't fathom why anyone would. No one suggesting this be a permanent thing, but I think it's unreasonable to act like this isn't a viable option given the unprecedented circumstances.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 20, 2020 19:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 27, 2020 10:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 12, 2020 13:14:34 GMT -5
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