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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 24, 2020 16:43:40 GMT -5
As I recall, at end of 2017 JT3 had lost the team. Trey Mourning had announced his intention to transfer; Tremont Waters had decommitted. In addition, there were transfer rumors linked to all of the players except for Kaleb Johnson. And, I really think the only reason there were no rumors about him is that none of the fans cared about him. On top of that, the student body HATED JT3, believing he was arrogant. It was really difficult to envision how JT3 would have fielded a team in 2018. I was admittedly late to the "Fire JT3" train. Looking back on it, the damage to the program was deeper than I recognized. The atmosphere at Cap One was truly miserable; the team depressed me.
This year, after Akinjo and LeBlanc announced their entry into the transfer portal -- and the news of allegations against LeBlanc, Gardner, and Alexander -- I really feared a return to a funereal atmosphere. Student turnout to the Syracuse game was a pleasant surprise to me; and they have really been following through for our home games. Student attendance can be better, but their numbers have been far better than the STH. It really feels as if the students like the team now.
I really like this team. They play with heart and clearly have responded to Ewing. You can feel the love at Cap One among those who do go to games. In addition, I have several friends who are paying attention and really like the team. (These are good sports fans, long-interested in the Hoyas, but they aren't willing to watch a train wreck).
As far as recruiting, we have to hit singles and doubles. I like that Ewing has said that he is looking for players with heart. And, for the first time in ages, it feels as if Georgetown is attracting guards. Even in the best of worlds, I am not sure Georgetown is going to get the blue-chippers that you covet. I suspect once the one-and-done rule has ended, the 5-star players and probably some 4-star players will bypass college altogether. Give me players like Jagan Mosely, Jahvon Blair, Mac McClung, Qudus Wahab, and Jamorko Pickett any day and all day.
We are by no means anywhere close to where we need to be. This year is a setback, no doubt. Nonetheless, fandom requires a leap of faith. And, I'm here for it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 24, 2020 16:49:34 GMT -5
I agree with this. Every team thinks their unheralded recruit will be a diamond in the rough or a perfect fit. I think this is just spin after missing out on higher ranked guys. I think people get (rightfully) excited because if there is ONE thing Ewing has shown, it's that he's a great talent evaluator. So, this isn't just some blind hope/optimism -- it's confidence that Ewing has AGAIN signed a great talent that is going to help. I would also suggest listening to the new Casual Hoya podcast discussing Clark and Beard (posted in the Kobe Clark recruiting thread) for an expert's take; the guy isn't a Georgetown fan and he is quite bullish on the two players. I think Ewing can evaluate talent in the sense that he has frequently identified high level guys before they blow up, yet they have usually chosen to go to different universities in the end. So, the real question is about evaluating talent we actually bring in. I am sure much of this is debatable but these are Ewing's recruits (I won't include Carter, Sodom, Alexander, Gardner, or Walker, since they barely played for him), and how I'd rate them: Underperforming Ranking/Transfer Reputation: Pickett: Given his recruiting ranking, he has definitely underperformed. Shown some progress the defensive end/rebounding, but his offensive game is still below average. Trey Dickerson: Great heart, but he performed very poorly overall. I am not sure expectations were high to begin with, but he just wasn't very effective. Akinjo: 4 star, despite all the plaudits he received, he really didn't perform to expectation, I would argue. Omer Yurtseven: For a guy who was a 5 star recruit, and took a year off to learn from Ewing (after a good ACC season), I think even before his injury, his performance was underwhelming. (And, I am a fan of Yurtseven, and want him back from injury, he just hasn't been as effective as I thought he'd be.) Met Expectations/Average: Blair: 3 star, unranked. I would say he's performed about to expectation, maybe slightly above. He's had some good games in McClung's absence, but the last game was pretty bad. Greg Malinowski: Pretty much played to expectations, I think, but very streaky. Above Expectations: McClung: 3 star, definitely performed above his ranking, but still struggles from efficiency. But, he brings a lot of athleticism, and he is basically the only Hoya who can create his own shot. LeBlanc: 4 star, largely performed at or above expectation, mostly based on his freshman year. Wahab: 4 star, has definitely played to expectations, and I think above expectations. So, I think the talent evaluation for guys who actually appear on our roster is a mixed bag. And that's not even considering that some of our most talented players decided to leave. Can there be diamonds in the rough? Absolutely. But, I don't think the last three years should cause us to expect to find them easily.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 16:51:14 GMT -5
I don't buy the "need better talent" idea. Top 40 classes aren't mediocre if you're doing that year-over-year.
As discussed ad nauseam on this site, we're not a Top 50 gettin' kind of team right now. Not many are. So aside from those 10-15 schools who play in that ballpark every year, we've got to scrounge to get ours. 75-200 kids (3/4 stars), JuCos & Grad xfers, the occasional high profile reg xfer and/or decommit, and a flier now and then. Hope the 3-stars play like 4-stars and a 4-star takes over and plays like an AA, and suddenly you're a top 15 team.
But in that model you've got to build on each class -- no letups. The more kids play with each other, the better the results. Individual experience and team experience are vastly underrated in the college game.
It's not a surprise that the #1 team in "Minutes Continuity" (essentially were this year's guys playing much last year) in the Big East is Seton Hall, while the bottom three teams are Georgetown, St John's, and DePaul.
I think Pat has done a very good job of cobbling talent together from all of those sources. He just needed to get that extra year this year for them all to gel. Look at Seton Hall this year - their recruiting math since 2016 looks almost exactly the same as ours.
I think a team next year of: Akinjo (Jr), McClung (Jr), Alexander (Sr), LeBlanc (Jr), Wahab (So) with Beard (Fr), Blair (Sr), Gardner (So), Sibley (Fr), Pickett (Sr), Igohoefe (So)
would've been a top-3 in the Big East level of talent and experience.
[Disregard whether they would want play w/ one another (James/Mac/etc) and the effect a fuller roster might have had on the 2020 recruits. It probably could've been positive if we'd had more success.]
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 24, 2020 17:00:13 GMT -5
I think people get (rightfully) excited because if there is ONE thing Ewing has shown, it's that he's a great talent evaluator. So, this isn't just some blind hope/optimism -- it's confidence that Ewing has AGAIN signed a great talent that is going to help. I would also suggest listening to the new Casual Hoya podcast discussing Clark and Beard (posted in the Kobe Clark recruiting thread) for an expert's take; the guy isn't a Georgetown fan and he is quite bullish on the two players. This great talent evaluator thing he always gets credit for seems a bit premature. It's spread around a lot but what is the basis for this? I think it all goes back to these big east freshman teams but they are just usage awards. Pat has played his freshman a lot so they get that award. It's possible that Pat is a great evaluator but what is the proof we have so far? I think it really comes down to Mac and Blair being "better" than the rankings would've predicted. Myron Gardner also had the look of a big east player despite his rankings. And while Tim I. didn't go through traditional rankings systems, I think first impressions are he could at least be a serviceable big east rotation player next year. And maybe Wahab > Baker is probably on people's mind. Ignores that we chased Baker hard but i imagine people have Wahab as outperforming his rank thus far. We can debate what expectations are for 3 star players, but I think that tends to drive the perception. Not meant to open a can of worms on Mac. I understand your views there, just trying to make the argument. I personally could go either way on it.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 24, 2020 18:25:29 GMT -5
This great talent evaluator thing he always gets credit for seems a bit premature. It's spread around a lot but what is the basis for this? I think it all goes back to these big east freshman teams but they are just usage awards. Pat has played his freshman a lot so they get that award. It's possible that Pat is a great evaluator but what is the proof we have so far? I think it really comes down to Mac and Blair being "better" than the rankings would've predicted. Myron Gardner also had the look of a big east player despite his rankings. And while Tim I. didn't go through traditional rankings systems, I think first impressions are he could at least be a serviceable big east rotation player next year. And maybe Wahab > Baker is probably on people's mind. Ignores that we chased Baker hard but i imagine people have Wahab as outperforming his rank thus far. We can debate what expectations are for 3 star players, but I think that tends to drive the perception. Not meant to open a can of worms on Mac. I understand your views there, just trying to make the argument. I personally could go either way on it. I think a lot of it simply comes down to Pat's usage of his guys especially when they are young. If you ask me the guys that he brought in so far that I think will overplay their ranking based on what we have seen it will maybe be Josh, James and Q. Those were also 3 of our 4 top rated recruits and Josh and James won't be here even if they do. I don't put Tim I in there because he wasn't really ranked but yes if you consider him a 0 star he obviously will outplay that. Jamorko greatly underplaying his ranking. I did not get the Myron love from a he was so great perspective. He did provide some things that this team needed, defense and toughness but you could tell his skill level was not close. I would say he was looking slightly better than his ranking though. Grayson I would say looked about properly ranked based on a very small sample size as well. Malcolm who knows but based on him not even playing this year I don't think he's lighting it up yet. Then we get to the 2 that I guess people point to. I would say Mac and Jahvon are playing to their ranking. They are so hard for most to accurately rate because they are inefficient scorers and that always get overvalued. I will just say if you would've asked what people though about Jahvon before they transfers they wouldve likely said overrated and now underrated. He was essentially the same rank as Mac and I would say that is about right. If you look at some similar ranked guys you will find Gillespie, Reed and Mamu. Those are guys that I would say have greatly outplayed their ranking. Another way to look at it is if Greg Elliott, same range as Mac/Blair, was on this team right now I am pretty sure he would be doing just as well and likely batter than those 2. Yes there are plenty of guys from that range that are worse than Mac/Blair. The truth is though that a lot of guys in that range that go to BE schools are depth recruits that aren't asked/given the opportunity to do much. Once they get sick of that they transfer out. For the Hoyas they get plenty of playing time which makes them seem better than they actually are. I have actually been alright with the level of talent Pat has brought it. The problem is that was mostly due to James, Josh, Q and Jamorko and the way he knocks it out of the park with transfers. I am not going to get into how the transfers play into his talent evaluation skills because that is a whole other can of worms. I just think this idea that we are bringing in a whole bunch of underrated guys is not true. I would say for the most part they have been what they should've been.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 24, 2020 18:36:36 GMT -5
I think people get (rightfully) excited because if there is ONE thing Ewing has shown, it's that he's a great talent evaluator. So, this isn't just some blind hope/optimism -- it's confidence that Ewing has AGAIN signed a great talent that is going to help. I would also suggest listening to the new Casual Hoya podcast discussing Clark and Beard (posted in the Kobe Clark recruiting thread) for an expert's take; the guy isn't a Georgetown fan and he is quite bullish on the two players. This great talent evaluator thing he always gets credit for seems a bit premature. It's spread around a lot but what is the basis for this? I think it all goes back to these big east freshman teams but they are just usage awards. Pat has played his freshman a lot so they get that award. It's possible that Pat is a great evaluator but what is the proof we have so far? I personally say he's good at identifying and evaluating talent because of his recruiting, not because of the players on the team. Ewing is often the first high major coach to give an offer to a player, or at least is ahead of the curve. This is from a post I made back in October:
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 24, 2020 19:31:17 GMT -5
Atmosphere - I know there is a lot of negativity around the program this season, but going to the last home game in 2017 felt like walking to a funeral. Student attendance has increased, and it feels like there's at least some hope around the program compared to back then. Weirdly, the last home game in 2017 has the 2nd highest attendance of our 61 Big East home games since realignment. I suppose I'd describe the atmosphere at Cap One as transitioning from Angry Mob to Deadmall. Perhaps it's because I've changed seats/perspectives this season, but just about every game I've attended, there's an overwhelming sense of emptiness and quiet (from people anyway--the pre-game music seems unnaturally loud and I can feel myself aging as I type this). My pet argument during the final JT3 season was that the Program was alienating (or already had) an entire generation of fans who, once they left, weren't likely to come back, and weren't likely to be replaced by the current generation. Three seasons in, I'm not sure there's anything on the court that would bring you back if you'd left, or keep you engaged if you were new to this. The attendance averages for BE games largely bear this out--9,181 in JTIII's final year; 8,623 in Ewing's first year; 9,549 last year(*); and this year w/ two decent weekend games left is likely to be somewhere in that same range. (*The Seton Hall home finale/crowd reaction was the first/only time during Ewing's tenure I've thought--we might have something here.) It feels like we're basically static--anyone who's still going to games is invested in this thing, for better or worse, for the long run. But we aren't expanding the fan base and we won't until we do normal expanding-the-fan-base things like winning important games. Anecdotally, I also wonder how much of the attendance figures this year are inflated by an unusually robust set of promotions/deals and giveaways--the SFS100 event giving away free tickets to alums on that scale is unprecedented in the 20 years I've been around, but hey--10,000+ for a DePaul game! One random "are we better off" point to consider re: culture/perception of the Program, even vis a vis attendance: how much is the positive view of the remaining seven rotation players and how hard they play balanced/mitigated by the negative view of the four who transferred, particularly because 2.5 of those were over allegations that brought very public and very negative attention to the Program? I bring that up not in the abstract--multiple friends in my season ticket group cancelled their tickets over it, and I had a lot of conversations over those few weeks with people I didn't know followed Georgetown basketball. That saga is ultimately paragraph 1 when the story of this season is written, and that factors into whether you think we're in a better place than 2017.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 24, 2020 19:33:06 GMT -5
This great talent evaluator thing he always gets credit for seems a bit premature. It's spread around a lot but what is the basis for this? I think it all goes back to these big east freshman teams but they are just usage awards. Pat has played his freshman a lot so they get that award. It's possible that Pat is a great evaluator but what is the proof we have so far? I personally say he's good at identifying and evaluating talent because of his recruiting, not because of the players on the team. Ewing is often the first high major coach to give an offer to a player, or at least is ahead of the curve. This is from a post I made back in October: Ledlum got offered very late and after tons of big schools Florida, Seton Hall, Notre Dame to name a few Whitney offered pretty late and after Cuse, Oregon, Illinois etc Gaffney offered very late after everyone and their mother RJ Davis was full blow up when Pat offered. He already had offers from Seton Hall, St. John's, Maryland etc. I would say of the guys mentioned though Pat was the earliest on him. I am not saying he's not a good evaluator. I see no proof that he isn't. I also see no real proof that he is. If a player like Dante or Kobe (which he could) turn out to be good that would be a good hit. The others he was joining the party. When you offer a lot of people some are going to go up. Especially since rankings are correlated to offers.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 24, 2020 20:14:46 GMT -5
I'd say yes, but only because JT3 set the bar pretty low. It wasn't just a matter of being competitive -- after Waters decommitted, there were serious questions as to whether JT3 could even put five Division I-level guys on the court. And while student uproar didn't really move the needle much, it counts for something. Patrick isn't quite there yet.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 24, 2020 21:24:01 GMT -5
I personally say he's good at identifying and evaluating talent because of his recruiting, not because of the players on the team. Ewing is often the first high major coach to give an offer to a player, or at least is ahead of the curve. This is from a post I made back in October: Ledlum got offered very late and after tons of big schools Florida, Seton Hall, Notre Dame to name a few Whitney offered pretty late and after Cuse, Oregon, Illinois etc Gaffney offered very late after everyone and their mother RJ Davis was full blow up when Pat offered. He already had offers from Seton Hall, St. John's, Maryland etc. I would say of the guys mentioned though Pat was the earliest on him. I am not saying he's not a good evaluator. I see no proof that he isn't. I also see no real proof that he is. If a player like Dante or Kobe (which he could) turn out to be good that would be a good hit. The others he was joining the party. When you offer a lot of people some are going to go up. Especially since rankings are correlated to offers. Totally fair, I’ll give you that Ewing was later on Ledlum and Gaffney than I realized. Davis didn’t fully blow up until April or so, and Ewing offered him in Jan/Feb. The Hoyas were also the earliest offer of his final four teams (I think, couldn’t verify Pitt). Similarly, Beard had a lot of high major offers last year, but none of them were still valid when Georgetown offered him. But I know Ewing gives a lot of offers, which is why I highlighted guys Ewing was going hard after and had visits or scheduled visits. I gave those examples because as much as I don’t like rankings, they’re easier to point to than stats since so much of those are opportunity, like you talked about in another post. Anyways, it at least doesn’t feel like Ewing just chases top 100 players because of their ranking, and Ewing goes hard after a player he likes regardless of ranking.
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Post by mapei on Feb 24, 2020 21:55:14 GMT -5
I don't think it's a great sign that we're pointing to players Patrick lost out on to argue that he's a good recruiter.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 24, 2020 22:03:25 GMT -5
Atmosphere - I know there is a lot of negativity around the program this season, but going to the last home game in 2017 felt like walking to a funeral. Student attendance has increased, and it feels like there's at least some hope around the program compared to back then. Weirdly, the last home game in 2017 has the 2nd highest attendance of our 61 Big East home games since realignment. I suppose I'd describe the atmosphere at Cap One as transitioning from Angry Mob to Deadmall. Perhaps it's because I've changed seats/perspectives this season, but just about every game I've attended, there's an overwhelming sense of emptiness and quiet (from people anyway--the pre-game music seems unnaturally loud and I can feel myself aging as I type this). My pet argument during the final JT3 season was that the Program was alienating (or already had) an entire generation of fans who, once they left, weren't likely to come back, and weren't likely to be replaced by the current generation. Three seasons in, I'm not sure there's anything on the court that would bring you back if you'd left, or keep you engaged if you were new to this. The attendance averages for BE games largely bear this out--9,181 in JTIII's final year; 8,623 in Ewing's first year; 9,549 last year(*); and this year w/ two decent weekend games left is likely to be somewhere in that same range. (*The Seton Hall home finale/crowd reaction was the first/only time during Ewing's tenure I've thought--we might have something here.) It feels like we're basically static--anyone who's still going to games is invested in this thing, for better or worse, for the long run. But we aren't expanding the fan base and we won't until we do normal expanding-the-fan-base things like winning important games. Anecdotally, I also wonder how much of the attendance figures this year are inflated by an unusually robust set of promotions/deals and giveaways--the SFS100 event giving away free tickets to alums on that scale is unprecedented in the 20 years I've been around, but hey--10,000+ for a DePaul game! One random "are we better off" point to consider re: culture/perception of the Program, even vis a vis attendance: how much is the positive view of the remaining seven rotation players and how hard they play balanced/mitigated by the negative view of the four who transferred, particularly because 2.5 of those were over allegations that brought very public and very negative attention to the Program? I bring that up not in the abstract--multiple friends in my season ticket group cancelled their tickets over it, and I had a lot of conversations over those few weeks with people I didn't know followed Georgetown basketball. That saga is ultimately paragraph 1 when the story of this season is written, and that factors into whether you think we're in a better place than 2017. I think the Villanova 2017 attendance is just coincidental. It was probably just a game that people circled before the season to attend. Though I know a lot of people probably also attended to either show their support or to show their protest of the coach. I guess angry mob to dead mall is progress? In 2016 and 2017 a lot of loyal season ticket holders were verbally upset with the perforce and style of play. Now they are either silent or supportive, so that’s a plus. But I think you’re over exaggerating by calling it a dead mall, or maybe it’s just your new seats. The students have been much louder than past seasons. When the team gives the crowd reason to be loud, they have tried to be loud. The Providence and Seton Hall games were great last year, and the Syracuse and end of DePaul games were good this year. It’s just tough to build crowd momentum when the team doesn’t hold momentum on the court. For the promotions, I actually think they have done less promotions his year than Chris Grosse used to do. Nearly every game for like 3 years you could get a free or $5 ticket. I’m not saying that as a negative, I’m just saying I don’t think that has inflated attendance this season. I understand the complications of the positive of the remaining players vs the negative of the players that left. Everyone is entitled to their opinions on that. Every sports fan has to have their own bar for what they can tolerate of their teams when it comes to off court behavior. I only know one person that didn’t want to attend games after the December news, but to be honest he has had the program at arms length ever since someone threw away his tifo in 2017 anyway. I hear you that he program being so obtuse in 2017 was brutal and pushed a lot of fans away. But I think a lot of the most ardent anti JT3 fans were more broadly anti Thompson, so the Ewing hire didn’t do much to address their concerns (looking at you Vince Trantolo). But on the topic of attendance, I know a lot of us are in the big Hoyas Facebook group, and that group has really highlighted to me how many non-alumni fans there are out there. I know a bunch of you here are not alumni, but it’s just more readily apparent on there. That’s why I feel like getting a WCAC star recruit is just as important as improving results to increase attendance and further improving the atmosphere at games.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 24, 2020 22:04:00 GMT -5
I don't think it's a great sign that we're pointing to players Patrick lost out on to argue that he's a good recruiter. I never said he was a good recruiter. I have been saying he is a good identifier of talent.
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 24, 2020 22:22:17 GMT -5
I get it’s a crapshoot based on timing sometimes, but mediocre programs stumble into being ranked periodically. It’s crazy that this program may go 6 years without being ranked for even one single week. Texas and Oklahoma State were actually ranked this year even for goodness sake. Every BE team but DePaul has been ranked at some point.
I’m not saying this as an argument for or against anything either. Just a damning statement of how off the radar this program has fallen.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Feb 25, 2020 0:09:38 GMT -5
Certainly last week was frustrating, but people are underestimating the talent Ewing has brought in. This is the best the new Big East has ever been top to bottom. We would not be having this thread with a healthy Mac. I'm also mildly optimistic about the recruiting class. There may not be any immediate stars, but Beard, Sibley, and Clark have all performed well against high level competition. As a long time season ticket holder through some very lean years, I have enjoyed attending just about every game the past two years. We may not always win, but we generally have competed and made runs even games we lost. I cannot say the same for the end of the JT3 era.
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Post by ewingitrust on Feb 25, 2020 0:14:56 GMT -5
Yes. Given the fact we're in the 14th game in the big east season and we're still mentioned in bubble tourney talk is a miracle given all that's happened. He's maxed out the roster best he's can. Mac, Blair, Pickett and Wahab are good cornerstones. He's improved his x and o's. Wins at okla st, smu, at st johns, butler, cuse were exhilarating. Im very optimistic about the future...its gonna take an extra yr. But i believe coach ewing will us to consistent ncaa tournaments. He's just getting started. Players will come.
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Post by practice on Feb 25, 2020 6:36:27 GMT -5
I was as big a Fire JT3 proponent as there was. I also was pretty down on the Ewing selection -- I had hoped that firing John Thompson's oldest son would have led to a truly open and national search for the next coach. Unfortunately, JT2 is still Coach Emeritus of Georgetown -- he attends practices, he sits effectively at the end of the bench, his best player is coach and his other son runs around the games like he's owner/GM. Ewing in turn has been a mixed bag -- he can coach, he's found some talent, and this current roster of 7ish guys are believers. On the other hand, his style is not for everyone -- many of today's 18 to 21 year olds are surprisingly sensitive to criticism and are less focused on the team. The churn of players has been rough -- and despite the many reasons, the head coach needs to bear a fair amount of responsibility. The biggest criticism I have -- and it is something that was inherited from at least JT3 and never addressed is the lack or really troubled state of the program's connection with DMV basketball.
How Ewing ended up with not one legitimate local coach or former player with local ties on the coaching staff is beyond me. Keith Stevens of Team Takeover or his guy should be on that staff. We don't have one player from the WCAC. Pickett is the only player on the roster who is from the area. It's outrageous and a complete failure that Georgetown is not able to recruit locally. Although look a the last few players from the DMV: Pickett, Antwan Walker (gone), Derrickson (left early to the G-League), Copeland (transferred), Campbell (transferred, Whittington (gone), and Hopkins (booed and maligned for four years.)
Look at local guys who are either done playing or near the end of their overseas playing careers: Austin Freeman, Chris Wright, Jason Clark, Markel Starks, Hopkins, Kaleb Johnson ... are any of them ready to coach and recruit?
In my humble opinion, until Ewing -- or the next coach -- builds a DMV pipeline to Georgetown there are going to be problems with sustained success. I know kids are interested in going to schools all over the country -- but is Philadelphia really exotic? College park? We need a HS, EBYL, AAU whatever coach from here and we needed him 3 years ago.
All that being said, I strongly believe that if Ewing has the players then he can be wildly successful.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 25, 2020 7:50:59 GMT -5
Basically, the clock has reset for Ewing. Year four is now year one, so we need to be good by year six. Good meaning NCAAs and over .500 in the BE.
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Post by HoyaSC on Feb 25, 2020 8:37:53 GMT -5
One of my buddies who is a big college football fan coined what he calls, "The Arkansas Test." It works like this.... If you're not sure whether you should keep your current coach, you call up Arkansas and ask, "Hey, Arkansas, do you want our coach?" If Arkansas replies, "No," then you fire his ass.
For college basketball, I propose The Seton Hall Test.....
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 25, 2020 9:16:16 GMT -5
Went to the Dematha/St. Paul game. We need to fill our roster with some 2nd & 3rd type guys from those schools. Yes we aren't getting Roach & Timberlake, but kids like Chuck Harris, McDaniel and the kid from Dematha (Hawkins) played a nice game. Get a roster with some of those kids on the back end of the roster and suddenly you can regain some local interest. I saw Tony Skinn there, Jay Wright. Kiels is going to be good but he definitely carries some extra weight. He will be a load though. Dickinson is hot garbage. The kid plays soft and he would make it tough for me to watch the hoyas over the next four years.
Basically we need some low profile local guys so we can build the pipeline to these schools so when we can show some on-court success, we are positioned for the next Timberlake. That kids is tough.
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