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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jul 24, 2020 11:06:19 GMT -5
Can't see it. You don't want to bulk him up to 225+ which is what you'd need to do. He's a point forward but a perimeter player in college.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jul 24, 2020 11:24:30 GMT -5
Can he play the 4 at all? Just trying to work out the 2021-2022 depth chart in my head. I know he's not a traditional PF, but if he and sibley could split time there, it would really open things up for all the guards we're about to have (especially if we still go after Malachi Smith and Aminu Mohammed) I think he is more of a 2/3 but at least definitely a 3 with his size and mobility. I think its more likely that Holloway will be asked to contribute at the 4. ...but I feel the same way ponds. This roster really looks like it needs another PF after this season especially if Mutumbo comes in who looks like a pure 5 at this point and as much as I want Malachi not sure how he fits w/what he have now...
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 24, 2020 11:50:17 GMT -5
Can he play the 4 at all? Just trying to work out the 2021-2022 depth chart in my head. I know he's not a traditional PF, but if he and sibley could split time there, it would really open things up for all the guards we're about to have (especially if we still go after Malachi Smith and Aminu Mohammed) Are traditional 4s like dinosaurs these days? It seems to be about stretching the D. He is definitely a wing with great vision.
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Post by wponds on Jul 24, 2020 12:07:42 GMT -5
Can he play the 4 at all? Just trying to work out the 2021-2022 depth chart in my head. I know he's not a traditional PF, but if he and sibley could split time there, it would really open things up for all the guards we're about to have (especially if we still go after Malachi Smith and Aminu Mohammed) Are traditional 4s like dinosaurs these days? It seems to be about stretching the D. He is definitely a wing with great vision. Agree with you there. Just was predicting someone coming on here and pointing out that we need a 'traditional 4' instead, so thought I'd get ahead of it
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 24, 2020 12:12:20 GMT -5
Can he play the 4 at all? Just trying to work out the 2021-2022 depth chart in my head. I know he's not a traditional PF, but if he and sibley could split time there, it would really open things up for all the guards we're about to have (especially if we still go after Malachi Smith and Aminu Mohammed) Are traditional 4s like dinosaurs these days? It seems to be about stretching the D. He is definitely a wing with great vision. Also about who you can defend. A guy who can come in and be versatile enough to bang down low/provide some post defense/clean the glass, but also with the quickness/instincts to rotate/hard-hedge on the PnR/close out on perimeter shooters (i.e. opposing stretch 4s) is badly needed. Currently no one on the roster who checks of all of these boxes.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jul 24, 2020 13:05:31 GMT -5
Are traditional 4s like dinosaurs these days? It seems to be about stretching the D. He is definitely a wing with great vision. Also about who you can defend. A guy who can come in and be versatile enough to bang down low/provide some post defense/clean the glass, but also with the quickness/instincts to rotate/hard-hedge on the PnR/close out on perimeter shooters (i.e. opposing stretch 4s) is badly needed. Currently no one on the roster who checks of all of these boxes. Is there currently anyone that the staff are recruiting that checks most if not all these boxes? Is there currently anyone in the 2021 class that we should be recruiting to check these boxes?
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Post by bostonfan on Jul 24, 2020 13:11:13 GMT -5
Also about who you can defend. A guy who can come in and be versatile enough to bang down low/provide some post defense/clean the glass, but also with the quickness/instincts to rotate/hard-hedge on the PnR/close out on perimeter shooters (i.e. opposing stretch 4s) is badly needed. Currently no one on the roster who checks of all of these boxes. Is there currently anyone that the staff are recruiting that checks most if not all these boxes? Is there currently anyone in the 2021 class that we should be recruiting to check these boxes? The KJ Adams kid looks like he fits that type of role and would check those boxes. Bigger and sounds like a really athletic kid. The Hoyas sound like they are in a good spot for him, but it is so hard to really know until they finally commit
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 24, 2020 13:19:52 GMT -5
Is there currently anyone that the staff are recruiting that checks most if not all these boxes? Is there currently anyone in the 2021 class that we should be recruiting to check these boxes? The KJ Adams kid looks like he fits that type of role and would check those boxes. Bigger and sounds like a really athletic kid. The Hoyas sound like they are in a good spot for him, but it is so hard to really know until they finally commit Boston: good call with Adams, he was the first that came to mind for me as well. I know it's a long list of needs to fill, but quite frankly those are areas where we consistently fall short. If the staff is insistent on running a defensive game plan that forces their 4s/5s to help and recover, they need to bring in guys who can successfully do it. Otherwise, they need to adjust their defensive scheme. Expecting to not address it in either way and still get positive results is a recipe for disaster. My original post was also meant to point out that we can't just focus on the offensive end when it comes to recruits. Guys need to be evaluated for who they can defend as well.
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Post by rhw485 on Jul 24, 2020 13:44:48 GMT -5
I think Jamorko Pickett is the new norm for a 4 in college basketball, and Jamari Sibley slots right in as the 4 going forward after next year.
There were two teams where it felt like Pickett was at a material size / strength disadvantage: Butler and Xavier. For Butler, Nze got him in legit foul trouble in the Indy game (which we somehow won anyway). Xavier it was more that we had Terrell Allen guarding Freemantle I think bc they went super sized and we wanted Mosely on Marshall. Our defensive rebounding wasn't great but I attribute that to starting a 6'4 SF more than anything else. Our offensive rebounding numbers were very strong.
If we're worried about the 10-15 minutes Sibley doesn't play in 2 years...1) that seems like way too far away to worry about and 2) if it's against a team that has sized up, you can absolutely steal 10 min w Tim I or Malcolm Wilson against a big team or Kobe Clark against a smaller team. I don't think Wilson is really a 4, but against a team that goes super sized as well then it won't matter for that particular game.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jul 24, 2020 14:31:23 GMT -5
I think Jamorko Pickett is the new norm for a 4 in college basketball, and Jamari Sibley slots right in as the 4 going forward after next year. There were two teams where it felt like Pickett was at a material size / strength disadvantage: Butler and Xavier. For Butler, Nze got him in legit foul trouble in the Indy game (which we somehow won anyway). Xavier it was more that we had Terrell Allen guarding Freemantle I think bc they went super sized and we wanted Mosely on Marshall. Our defensive rebounding wasn't great but I attribute that to starting a 6'4 SF more than anything else. Our offensive rebounding numbers were very strong. If we're worried about the 10-15 minutes Sibley doesn't play in 2 years...1) that seems like way too far away to worry about and 2) if it's against a team that has sized up, you can absolutely steal 10 min w Tim I or Malcolm Wilson against a big team or Kobe Clark against a smaller team. I don't think Wilson is really a 4, but against a team that goes super sized as well then it won't matter for that particular game. Don't disagree w/anything you just said but that is also making the assumption that Sibley is a guaranteed difference maker. Which obviously I hope he is but what if he's not or he has some growing pains being the new starter once Pickett is gone. Wilson is not a 4. Clark is not a 4. Holloway plays like a 4 but is slightly undersized. I agree you can probably steal some minutes using a combination of all of them but I personally would prefer we have someone else competing at that position w/Sibley to not only push him but also provide depth in the front court. Continuing to focus on guards with the last 2 commits and presumably Beard on the way just feels like the wrong position to focus on. Have faith in the guys were bringing in and fill needed positions. God forbid Sibley gets injured his sophomore year then what do we have to go with?
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Post by DallasHoya on Jul 24, 2020 15:00:03 GMT -5
I think Jamorko Pickett is the new norm for a 4 in college basketball, and Jamari Sibley slots right in as the 4 going forward after next year. There were two teams where it felt like Pickett was at a material size / strength disadvantage: Butler and Xavier. For Butler, Nze got him in legit foul trouble in the Indy game (which we somehow won anyway). Xavier it was more that we had Terrell Allen guarding Freemantle I think bc they went super sized and we wanted Mosely on Marshall. Our defensive rebounding wasn't great but I attribute that to starting a 6'4 SF more than anything else. Our offensive rebounding numbers were very strong. If we're worried about the 10-15 minutes Sibley doesn't play in 2 years...1) that seems like way too far away to worry about and 2) if it's against a team that has sized up, you can absolutely steal 10 min w Tim I or Malcolm Wilson against a big team or Kobe Clark against a smaller team. I don't think Wilson is really a 4, but against a team that goes super sized as well then it won't matter for that particular game. Don't disagree w/anything you just said but that is also making the assumption that Sibley is a guaranteed difference maker. Which obviously I hope he is but what if he's not or he has some growing pains being the new starter once Pickett is gone. Wilson is not a 4. Clark is not a 4. Holloway plays like a 4 but is slightly undersized. I agree you can probably steal some minutes using a combination of all of them but I personally would prefer we have someone else competing at that position w/Sibley to not only push him but also provide depth in the front court. Continuing to focus on guards with the last 2 commits and presumably Beard on the way just feels like the wrong position to focus on. Have faith in the guys were bringing in and fill needed positions. God forbid Sibley gets injured his sophomore year then what do we have to go with? It's been a long time since anyone on this board had any reason to complain about focusing too much on guards. Not that I disagree, but all this board has talked about for about the past ten years is that we weren't focusing enough on recruiting guards.
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Post by rhw485 on Jul 24, 2020 15:07:55 GMT -5
I think Jamorko Pickett is the new norm for a 4 in college basketball, and Jamari Sibley slots right in as the 4 going forward after next year. There were two teams where it felt like Pickett was at a material size / strength disadvantage: Butler and Xavier. For Butler, Nze got him in legit foul trouble in the Indy game (which we somehow won anyway). Xavier it was more that we had Terrell Allen guarding Freemantle I think bc they went super sized and we wanted Mosely on Marshall. Our defensive rebounding wasn't great but I attribute that to starting a 6'4 SF more than anything else. Our offensive rebounding numbers were very strong. If we're worried about the 10-15 minutes Sibley doesn't play in 2 years...1) that seems like way too far away to worry about and 2) if it's against a team that has sized up, you can absolutely steal 10 min w Tim I or Malcolm Wilson against a big team or Kobe Clark against a smaller team. I don't think Wilson is really a 4, but against a team that goes super sized as well then it won't matter for that particular game. Don't disagree w/anything you just said but that is also making the assumption that Sibley is a guaranteed difference maker. Which obviously I hope he is but what if he's not or he has some growing pains being the new starter once Pickett is gone. Wilson is not a 4. Clark is not a 4. Holloway plays like a 4 but is slightly undersized. I agree you can probably steal some minutes using a combination of all of them but I personally would prefer we have someone else competing at that position w/Sibley to not only push him but also provide depth in the front court. Continuing to focus on guards with the last 2 commits and presumably Beard on the way just feels like the wrong position to focus on. Have faith in the guys were bringing in and fill needed positions. God forbid Sibley gets injured his sophomore year then what do we have to go with? Very fair. I guess I just dont think a freshman we can realistically get is a better bet than sophomore Sibley. I imagine we'd go grad transfer route to fill in rotation and offer some insurance at that point.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jul 24, 2020 15:16:02 GMT -5
Every good team needs a multi dimensional player like Kobe who does so many things well...his value is greater than his ranking because of that...he's the ultimate all purpose, glue guy that makes any team better without having "star" numbers in any one category... He could be another Eric Smith. I like the idea of what he brings to the table.
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