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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 25, 2020 11:26:12 GMT -5
Our offense has changed since conference play has started. When we played Ok St, SMU, and Syracuse we had much better ball movement. Our guards (particularly Allen) have not been penetrating-kicking out like we did with success against the three opponents mentioned above. Our offense in conference has been dump it to the post and stand around/if post gets doubled you might get it back for a decent shot. Teams have figured out that you can limit Allen's effectiveness by not helping on his dribble penetration and staying home on shooters. They would rather him try to get to the basket on his own or pull up from mid range than give up open 3s by overhelping. That being said, we still have gotten our fair share of open looks and lightly contested 3s the last 2 games. They just aren't going down. The stress of falling behind huge in conference road games is impacting our perimeter shooting; may be just my eyes but it feels like our guys are putting too much pressure on themselves to hit shots and close a double digit gap. The good teams don't panic when they get down 8-12 points, and we're not there yet.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 25, 2020 12:10:19 GMT -5
Our offense has changed since conference play has started. When we played Ok St, SMU, and Syracuse we had much better ball movement. Our guards (particularly Allen) have not been penetrating-kicking out like we did with success against the three opponents mentioned above. Our offense in conference has been dump it to the post and stand around/if post gets doubled you might get it back for a decent shot. A point I made before the BE season started when the Board was excited about our 6-0 run after the transferees left is still valid. WE ARE NOT PLAYING AU, STAMFORD,UMBC, OK STATE ANYMORE. We were able to do stuff against these teams that we can't against our BE opponents. BE teams are loaded with quality defenders as well as offenses that can take advantage of our defensive weaknesses. To paraphrase Dorothy, "We're not in OOC anymore".
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 25, 2020 22:25:15 GMT -5
Our offense has changed since conference play has started. When we played Ok St, SMU, and Syracuse we had much better ball movement. Our guards (particularly Allen) have not been penetrating-kicking out like we did with success against the three opponents mentioned above. Our offense in conference has been dump it to the post and stand around/if post gets doubled you might get it back for a decent shot. A point I made before the BE season started when the Board was excited about our 6-0 run after the transferees left is still valid. WE ARE NOT PLAYING AU, STAMFORD,UMBC, OK STATE ANYMORE. We were able to do stuff against these teams that we can't against our BE opponents. BE teams are loaded with quality defenders as well as offenses that can take advantage of our defensive weaknesses. To paraphrase Dorothy, "We're not in OOC anymore". This is what you said before the BE season started, Queegs, "Assuming we still have a team to field, I see us beating Provy twice and splitting with everyone else. That's 10-8. That's my story and I'm sticking to it." Hard to take you seriously when are wrong most of the time.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 26, 2020 12:22:46 GMT -5
A point I made before the BE season started when the Board was excited about our 6-0 run after the transferees left is still valid. WE ARE NOT PLAYING AU, STAMFORD,UMBC, OK STATE ANYMORE. We were able to do stuff against these teams that we can't against our BE opponents. BE teams are loaded with quality defenders as well as offenses that can take advantage of our defensive weaknesses. To paraphrase Dorothy, "We're not in OOC anymore". This is what you said before the BE season started, Queegs, "Assuming we still have a team to field, I see us beating Provy twice and splitting with everyone else. That's 10-8. That's my story and I'm sticking to it." Hard to take you seriously when are wrong most of the time. Thanks Prof, so you now agree that I'm right some of the time. Like most people I didn't see Providence coming based on their OOC record. But we can still sweep St. John's, Creighton and DePaul and maybe eek out 2-3 more BE wins. But the point I was making in my reply to pahoya was that it is obvious now that the BE season has begun and we can see with our own eyes how tough the BE is and how depleted we really are that any efforts to compare our OOC performance with how we are performing now is meaningless. We never faced a Marcus Howard or a Myles Powell or guys like Baldwin, Bey, Gill, and Watson during our OOC games. But keep track of my comments. It's good to know someone is listening.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 26, 2020 12:32:33 GMT -5
Hard to overcome 4 key defections mid-season. The 6-0 run made me hope for a miracle run, but the BE is loaded this year. Plus, these teams know how to play us. Unfortunately, it looks like 7-11 in league play and NIT is the reality, at best.
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Post by mdtd on Jan 26, 2020 14:24:26 GMT -5
This is what you said before the BE season started, Queegs, "Assuming we still have a team to field, I see us beating Provy twice and splitting with everyone else. That's 10-8. That's my story and I'm sticking to it." Hard to take you seriously when are wrong most of the time. Thanks Prof, so you now agree that I'm right some of the time. Like most people I didn't see Providence coming based on their OOC record. But we can still sweep St. John's, Creighton and DePaul and maybe eek out 2-3 more BE wins. But the point I was making in my reply to pahoya was that it is obvious now that the BE season has begun and we can see with our own eyes how tough the BE is and how depleted we really are that any efforts to compare our OOC performance with how we are performing now is meaningless. We never faced a Marcus Howard or a Myles Powell or guys like Baldwin, Bey, Gill, and Watson during our OOC games. But keep track of my comments. It's good to know someone is listening. Matt Coleman, Vernon Carey, Cassius Stanley, Tre Jones, Lamar Stevens, Myreon Jones, Jericho Sims, Kendric Davis, Isiaha Mike, Elijah Hughes, Lindy Waters and Josh Sharkey who at the time led the NCAA in assists and steals and is now in fourth in the country in both should and do compare to those four. Baldwin and Bey are top tier of the bunch I listed but the other two aren't even close to the top. Vernon Carey is #30 on the Athletic's big board which we all have referred to (I think that's too low but besides the point) and he doesn't compare to Gill or Watson? Tre Jones is #20, but he's not up there? Look, I understand that NBA future isn't everything and you (I think) are trying to say that playing in the Big East is a different beast, but the argument you made here is pretty ridiculous.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 26, 2020 19:31:34 GMT -5
Thanks Prof, so you now agree that I'm right some of the time. Like most people I didn't see Providence coming based on their OOC record. But we can still sweep St. John's, Creighton and DePaul and maybe eek out 2-3 more BE wins. But the point I was making in my reply to pahoya was that it is obvious now that the BE season has begun and we can see with our own eyes how tough the BE is and how depleted we really are that any efforts to compare our OOC performance with how we are performing now is meaningless. We never faced a Marcus Howard or a Myles Powell or guys like Baldwin, Bey, Gill, and Watson during our OOC games. But keep track of my comments. It's good to know someone is listening. Matt Coleman, Vernon Carey, Cassius Stanley, Tre Jones, Lamar Stevens, Myreon Jones, Jericho Sims, Kendric Davis, Isiaha Mike, Elijah Hughes, Lindy Waters and Josh Sharkey who at the time led the NCAA in assists and steals and is now in fourth in the country in both should and do compare to those four. Baldwin and Bey are top tier of the bunch I listed but the other two aren't even close to the top. Vernon Carey is #30 on the Athletic's big board which we all have referred to (I think that's too low but besides the point) and he doesn't compare to Gill or Watson? Tre Jones is #20, but he's not up there? Look, I understand that NBA future isn't everything and you (I think) are trying to say that playing in the Big East is a different beast, but the argument you made here is pretty ridiculous. I was referring to the 6 OOC teams we played in our 6 game OOC winning streak after the transfers left. Yes the guys from Duke and Penn State compare to the best of the BE and could explain why we lost to them.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2020 14:17:19 GMT -5
Matt Coleman, Vernon Carey, Cassius Stanley, Tre Jones, Lamar Stevens, Myreon Jones, Jericho Sims, Kendric Davis, Isiaha Mike, Elijah Hughes, Lindy Waters and Josh Sharkey who at the time led the NCAA in assists and steals and is now in fourth in the country in both should and do compare to those four. Baldwin and Bey are top tier of the bunch I listed but the other two aren't even close to the top. Vernon Carey is #30 on the Athletic's big board which we all have referred to (I think that's too low but besides the point) and he doesn't compare to Gill or Watson? Tre Jones is #20, but he's not up there? Look, I understand that NBA future isn't everything and you (I think) are trying to say that playing in the Big East is a different beast, but the argument you made here is pretty ridiculous. I was referring to the 6 OOC teams we played in our 6 game OOC winning streak after the transfers left. Yes the guys from Duke and Penn State compare to the best of the BE and could explain why we lost to them. SMU just beat #20 Memphis. When is your nonsense going to stop?
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Post by thedragon on Jan 27, 2020 14:44:59 GMT -5
A win tomorrow and the Hoyas will be back in the tournament in most bracket projections (for example currently "Next Four Out" by Lunardi). This isnt to say the Hoyas will make the tourney or even that a win tomorrow is likely. Merely a sense of the fact that the teams goals are still very attainable, even though reading this board would have one believe that the team is on the brink of disaster.
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Post by mdtd on Jan 27, 2020 15:42:04 GMT -5
A win against a top 20 team will help. Hoyas have to control the tempo in order to win this game. Get the offense flowing and don't let Butler determine how this game goes. Should have more momentum and come out with that fire that is needed. That can only help in this one.
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Post by vv83 on Jan 27, 2020 15:50:20 GMT -5
Has anyone heard whether Aaron Thompson is likely to play? He sat out their last game with a sprained wrist. During the game the announcers said he might be back for the Georgetown game.
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Post by jester on Jan 27, 2020 19:04:46 GMT -5
Agree while we face an uphill battle, its all relative - for example BYU is "in" now due to record/strength, but has one Quad 1 win, and only one other chance for another one, vs Gonzaga, and may stay put there. Meanwhile you may end up with a bunch of teams in Big 10 with crappy records but 6+ quad 1 wins. I think we need a few signature wins or separate ourselves from 2/3 of Xavier/Depaul/Providence, and we will be at least in consideration if bubble stays wide.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 28, 2020 6:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 28, 2020 7:14:06 GMT -5
Some interesting matchup decisions on defense right off the bat for this team.
Pickett probably is well suited to guard McDermott but I think he's going to have to start on Nze. That puts Mosely on McDermott and Mac on Tucker or Thompson with Allen guarding Baldwin I think. As much as I'd love to deploy Mosely on Baldwin, I think we saw Allen was unable to guard someone materially bigger in the Xavier game.
They use McDermott as a screener a fair amount so thats something different for Mosely to deal with. I personally would switch any McDermott ball screens and force them to grind down their offense to post him up. And would like to see us go under Baldwin screens and make him shoot. Hopefully the six days of prep has helped come up with a sound game plan
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Post by calhoya on Jan 28, 2020 7:43:35 GMT -5
Well Ewing's finally had a little time between games to see if there are any adjustments that can be made with this greatly reduced line-up. Can Yurtseven play a strong game on both ends without foul trouble? Can anyone consistently hit the perimeter shot? Is there any defensive alignment that can bring the Hoyas up to at least a respectable level? Will anyone show for this late game on a Tuesday night? Here's hoping that we see ball movement, aggressive work on the boards, unselfish, team-oriented play and a solid win against a well-coached team that has in my opinion over-achieved this year without elite talent.
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 28, 2020 9:29:48 GMT -5
It opened at Hoyas -1 and has moved to -1.5 this morning
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 28, 2020 10:41:29 GMT -5
GAMEDAY!!!
I'm excited to see if Pat has come up with any new wrinkles. The guys should be plenty rested up so I want to see us come out with intensity, we can't show up late. Stick with your man on defense and don't have lapses. Offense will come, we just need to clean up the defense. Winning this game can start the road back to being squarely in the tournament...if we can't beat tournament teams, why should we be in the NCAAs. This is a winnable game though, just don't let a random go off from 3. Play hard defense, stay focused, and REBOUND!
Go Hoyas!
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 28, 2020 10:56:34 GMT -5
This is a winnable game at home. Butler plays like Butler always plays. They don't overwhelm you with athletes, but they play smart and take care of the ball and don't beat themselves. Reduce the turnovers and take care of the rebounding and the Hoyas should be there at the end. Need to knock down open shots tonight.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 28, 2020 11:30:12 GMT -5
I was referring to the 6 OOC teams we played in our 6 game OOC winning streak after the transfers left. Yes the guys from Duke and Penn State compare to the best of the BE and could explain why we lost to them. SMU just beat #20 Memphis. When is your nonsense going to stop? Probably when we show that we can beat a quality (ranked) BE team - like Butler tonight. Look my point was that trying to take anything away from those post transfer OOC wins is ridiculous. Ideally PE has used the last 6 days to learn from our 7 BE games and make some adjustments. These last 7 games are a lot more representative of what we can expect for the next 5 weeks than what we saw in those 6 OOC wins.
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 28, 2020 17:46:59 GMT -5
It’s almost like if the offense is in a funk, Mac will take over and do his thing, which isn’t always helpful. It’s up to Mac to force his teamates to keep it moving by NOT taking the shot. Act like a point guard, when necessary.
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