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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 25, 2020 9:53:29 GMT -5
Out of the 4 players who left, only 1 player is assumed left because of his role (Akinjo). I believe that the other substitution and rotation patterns would have worked themselves out. We have a coach that is seeing these situations as the head decider for the first time. Even after UNCG, I had confidence that Pat would figure out substitution patterns and lineups that worked and someone would have been on the bench unhappy. And maybe that player leaves. Or two players leave. But that should be because other guys outperformed them on the court. Not because we were scared of creating a competitive environment. Which Pat seems intent on doing. We are almost at three full seasons where he is the "head decider." That excuse is pretty much done, at this point. People have been saying this for three years. How much longer does he need? This season says nothing (positive or negative) about Ewing and roster management, since the 4 player departure robbed him of the ability to make choices. I think a coach needs at least six to eight, and really more in the range of ten years, to have "his" true roster in place.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 25, 2020 10:00:28 GMT -5
I think a coach needs at least six to eight, and really more in the range of ten years, to have "his" true roster in place. Craig Esherick got five years and more than a few folks here thought that was two years too many. I'm not sure anyone would have argued keeping him until 2009 to get "his" roster. Then only Big East coach that gets a term like that with no pressure is Dave Leitao. How's that going?
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 25, 2020 11:02:43 GMT -5
We are almost at three full seasons where he is the "head decider." That excuse is pretty much done, at this point. People have been saying this for three years. How much longer does he need? This season says nothing (positive or negative) about Ewing and roster management, since the 4 player departure robbed him of the ability to make choices. I think a coach needs at least six to eight, and really more in the range of ten years, to have "his" true roster in place. This is completely insane.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2020 11:41:25 GMT -5
5 years is reasonable because it is virtually unprecedented for a coach to struggle for that long and turn it around. The only example I can think of is Kevin Willard, who struggled mightily for about 5 years and was getting close to being fired, but then managed to make 4 tournaments in a row.
This is the exception that proves the rule, though. Usually, if you don't make it in your first 5 years you never will.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 26, 2020 12:22:51 GMT -5
Herb Sendek at NCSU.
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Post by TC on Feb 26, 2020 12:40:39 GMT -5
- that was 25 years ago (patience has gotten a lot shorter, contracts have gotten larger) - Sendek's teams improved from Y0 to Y1 to Y2 to Y3. He didn't get a "reset" or a do-over or a mulligan or whatever you want to call it. - NC State was the perennial bottom dwellar. Are we really the mid-90's NC State of the Big East? If so, ouch. My thought was that that was DePaul, but maybe it is us. - Herb Sendek made it out of the first weekend once in 10 years at NC State. I think the goal is to get to the NCAA's, but the people who wanted to fire JT3 complained endlessly about not getting out of the first weekend, and it doesn't seem like Herb Sendek's record would make them happy after 10 years. In the best case scenario, that's 5 years of no NCAA for 5 years of NCAAs and everyone wanting to fire the coach in year 10 when the program has been rebuilt.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 26, 2020 12:50:29 GMT -5
- that was 25 years ago (patience has gotten a lot shorter, contracts have gotten larger) - Sendek's teams improved from Y0 to Y1 to Y2 to Y3. He didn't get a "reset" or a do-over or a mulligan or whatever you want to call it. - NC State was the perennial bottom dwellar. Are we really the mid-90's NC State of the Big East? If so, ouch. - Herb Sendek made it out of the first weekend once in 10 years at NC State. I think the goal is to get to the NCAA's, but the people who wanted to fire JT3 complained endlessly about not getting out of the first weekend, and it doesn't seem like Herb Sendek's record would make them happy after 10 years. In the best case scenario, that's 5 years of no NCAA for 5 years of NCAAs and everyone wanting to fire the coach in year 10. NC State won four of the first six ACC titles and had nine titles in the first 30 years. None in the last 33. Geoegetown won four of the first six Big East titles and had seven titles in the first 30 years, but one in the last 31. Les Robinson's last five ACC finishes: 7th 8th 9th 8th 9th Herb Sendek's first five ACC finishes: 8th/NIT 8th/NIT 5th/NIT 6th/NIT 7th Georgetown's last five Big East finishes: 8th 9th 8th 6th/NIT 8th (trending)
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 26, 2020 13:25:37 GMT -5
For what it is worth: I never said NCSU under Sendek was the ideal- only that was an example, and one that took place less than twenty-five years ago.
My perspective is that we should walk before we run. Making the NCAAs would be a nice start and should not be accompanied by "that's not enough" cries.
Circling back to the topic of this thread: the answer is no. I want as much depth as possible and would love for us to play twelve guys at a frantic pace next year. Go as hard as humanely possible, sprinting everywhere and contesting literally everything, until you are about to pass out, at which point the next guy comes in. Wash and repeat for forty minutes.
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