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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 23, 2020 9:58:50 GMT -5
Seems like some are forgetting that everyone agreed that after the transfers the team had zero margin for error. Last night that margin was quickly exceeded by Allen's two quick fouls leading to limited early playing time, and Yurtseven's terrible first half shooting. This team just can't survive when stuff like that goes wrong. Other teams sub-out those players and bring in comparable or at least experienced replacements. The Hoyas either can't effectively sub or have to bring in someone who can't play the same role and thus changes the whole scheme. In these situations if the opponent is playing well it becomes nearly impossible to make up the deficit caused by the exceeded margin.
This team lives on a knife's edge and nothing that the coaches can do will change that this season. If everyone plays well they can beat any conference opponent. If there are any bad performances a loss is likely.
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Post by IDenj on Jan 23, 2020 10:08:31 GMT -5
Seems like some are forgetting that everyone agreed that after the transfers the team had zero margin for error. Last night that margin was quickly exceeded by Allen's two quick fouls leading to limited early playing time, and Yurtseven's terrible first half shooting. This team just can't survive when stuff like that goes wrong. Other teams sub-out those players and bring in comparable or at least experienced replacements. The Hoyas either can't effectively sub or have to bring in someone who can't play the same role and thus changes the whole scheme. In these situations if the opponent is playing well it becomes nearly impossible to make up the deficit caused by the exceeded margin. This team lives on a knife's edge and nothing that the coaches can do will change that this season. If everyone plays well they can beat any conference opponent. If there are any bad performances a loss is likely. That’s true. The hand he is playing with is far from ideal and it’s hard to fully evaluate him based on the current roster. However he is the HC and it does fall on him in the end. The part I’m looking at is the development of Yurt7 and Mac. The rest are complimentary pieces. Q is a frosh so it’s hard to evaluate because there’s no season to season comparison ( just game to game ).
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 23, 2020 12:14:06 GMT -5
Of course you can win at GU. The notion that you can’t is absurd. The issue is coaching and stagnant old guard. We need fiery new blood - the next JTJr. The roadmap is incredibly simple. Recruit the hell out of the DC/Balt area, play defense, snipe and run. No more playing through bigs or refusing to adapt to personnel. Fresh air!!! I think Pat can still be that guy. Learning the ropes as a HC isn’t easy and takes time. Look at the top guys in CBB right now...they took their lumps early in their careers. But the staff... needs to be young and locally connected. Has to happen this spring. I totally agree that learning the ropes as a HC takes time, but that was well-known by Georgetown when hiring Ewing. Typically a program like GU would not hire an inexperienced HC to take on a full rebuild competing in a top conference, but our administration operates and is influenced in unique ways. It was an unfortunate situation with the transfers earlier this year, but these were players Ewing personally recruited. He assessed them as players and people and decided they fit into what he was doing. He was wrong and he needs to deal with the consequences. Perhaps my strongest concern about Ewing and GU is, after 3 years, I still do not know the identity of a Pat Ewing coached team. Clearly the players and recruits do not know either or we would not be in a situation with only 7 viable scholarship players. Before Ewing can be successful, he needs to know what he wants his team to be and have a plan for how to get there. If someone asked what has been consistent in these 3 seasons - we play fast and without a plan for or concern about defense. I doubt that is what Ewing wants his teams to be known for.
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Post by justsaying on Jan 23, 2020 12:38:52 GMT -5
I think Pat can still be that guy. Learning the ropes as a HC isn’t easy and takes time. Look at the top guys in CBB right now...they took their lumps early in their careers. But the staff... needs to be young and locally connected. Has to happen this spring. I totally agree that learning the ropes as a HC takes time, but that was well-known by Georgetown when hiring Ewing. Typically a program like GU would not hire an inexperienced HC to take on a full rebuild competing in a top conference, but our administration operates and is influenced in unique ways. It was an unfortunate situation with the transfers earlier this year, but these were players Ewing personally recruited. He assessed them as players and people and decided they fit into what he was doing. He was wrong and he needs to deal with the consequences. Perhaps my strongest concern about Ewing and GU is, after 3 years, I still do not know the identity of a Pat Ewing coached team. Clearly the players and recruits do not know either or we would not be in a situation with only 7 viable scholarship players. Before Ewing can be successful, he needs to know what he wants his team to be and have a plan for how to get there. If someone asked what has been consistent in these 3 seasons - we play fast and without a plan for or concern about defense. I doubt that is what Ewing wants his teams to be known for. The identity was to be more pressing with uptempo. Think about it 4 rotational players gone. It changes what you want to do during the season. In this league with the physical play (from top to bottom maybe be the best plus maybe the toughest) now you have to pick your spots about pressing, foul trouble with a smaller rotation, resting high minute players to have ump at the end ... etc. Makes it hard to get to the intended identity. Teams knowing each other well, now teams will try to wear GU down during the course of the game. The GU plan is good, now just have to get back to the pieces.
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Post by IDenj on Jan 23, 2020 13:09:49 GMT -5
I totally agree that learning the ropes as a HC takes time, but that was well-known by Georgetown when hiring Ewing. Typically a program like GU would not hire an inexperienced HC to take on a full rebuild competing in a top conference, but our administration operates and is influenced in unique ways. It was an unfortunate situation with the transfers earlier this year, but these were players Ewing personally recruited. He assessed them as players and people and decided they fit into what he was doing. He was wrong and he needs to deal with the consequences. Perhaps my strongest concern about Ewing and GU is, after 3 years, I still do not know the identity of a Pat Ewing coached team. Clearly the players and recruits do not know either or we would not be in a situation with only 7 viable scholarship players. Before Ewing can be successful, he needs to know what he wants his team to be and have a plan for how to get there. If someone asked what has been consistent in these 3 seasons - we play fast and without a plan for or concern about defense. I doubt that is what Ewing wants his teams to be known for. The identity was to be more pressing with uptempo. Think about it 4 rotational players gone. It changes what you want to do during the season. In this league with the physical play (from top to bottom maybe be the best plus maybe the toughest) now you have to pick your spots about pressing, foul trouble with a smaller rotation, resting high minute players to have ump at the end ... etc. Makes it hard to get to the intended identity. Teams knowing each other well, now teams will try to wear GU down during the course of the game. The GU plan is good, now just have to get back to the pieces. I think if they can bring in 2-3 frosh that can play from day one plus 1-2 transfers who can step right in, the program can recover quickly. But that a huge IF. They cannot lose any of the players currently not set to graduate.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 23, 2020 13:21:42 GMT -5
I do not have much to say that hasn't been said already, but Pickett has been playing particularly bad on offense since conference play began. He's taking way too many bad/long twos and incredibly inefficient. In conference play, he is shooting 17-48 from two (35.4%), and 10-26 (38.5%) from three.
I thought Pickett had improved earlier this season, but his O rating in conference play is 89.7, about the same as his numbers in conference last year (and worse than freshman year).
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 23, 2020 13:37:27 GMT -5
I do not have much to say that hasn't been said already, but Pickett has been playing particularly bad on offense since conference play began. He's taking way too many bad/long twos and incredibly inefficient. In conference play, he is shooting 17-48 from two (35.4%), and 10-26 (38.5%) from three. I thought Pickett had improved earlier this season, but his O rating in conference play is 89.7, about the same as his numbers in conference last year (and worse than freshman year). I mean he is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play. Do you know who else is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play? Our starting shooting guard Mac McClung with a very miserable 23% from 3 and 69% from FT line. I know, I know....his eye/concussion/knee/flu/coronavirus has had a big impact. I miss the days when the boards coverage of our players shortcomings was balanced.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 23, 2020 13:44:06 GMT -5
I do not have much to say that hasn't been said already, but Pickett has been playing particularly bad on offense since conference play began. He's taking way too many bad/long twos and incredibly inefficient. In conference play, he is shooting 17-48 from two (35.4%), and 10-26 (38.5%) from three. I thought Pickett had improved earlier this season, but his O rating in conference play is 89.7, about the same as his numbers in conference last year (and worse than freshman year). I mean he is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play. Do you know who else is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play? Our starting shooting guard Mac McClung with a very miserable 23% from 3 and 69% from FT line. I know, I know....his eye/concussion/knee/flu/coronavirus has had a big impact. I miss the days when the boards coverage of our players shortcomings was balanced. I must have missed those days. Only been on this board since 2004.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 23, 2020 14:08:52 GMT -5
I do not have much to say that hasn't been said already, but Pickett has been playing particularly bad on offense since conference play began. He's taking way too many bad/long twos and incredibly inefficient. In conference play, he is shooting 17-48 from two (35.4%), and 10-26 (38.5%) from three. I thought Pickett had improved earlier this season, but his O rating in conference play is 89.7, about the same as his numbers in conference last year (and worse than freshman year). I mean he is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play. Do you know who else is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play? Our starting shooting guard Mac McClung with a very miserable 23% from 3 and 69% from FT line. I know, I know....his eye/concussion/knee/flu/coronavirus has had a big impact. I miss the days when the boards coverage of our players shortcomings was balanced. I think 2003 was isolating Pickett because he is our starting 4 and shooting just 37%. I think you see guards that shoot 37% from the floor, Akinjo was probably around that last year and I have certainly seen other guards in that range as well. It is not good, but having your starting forward shooting such a low % is even more difficult to overcome. As an aside, not all of us are all-aboard on the Mac train. I like the kid's hustle and how he shows up every game to play hard. However, I am critical of his shot selection and inability to make his teammates better more often. He obviously feels the responsibility to create something on offense, especially when Yurt7 is struggling, which I do believe leads to a lot of poor shots. If we had viable alternatives, I would want him to sit more, but he really is the only creator of his own shot on this team.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 23, 2020 14:16:44 GMT -5
I mean he is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play. Do you know who else is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play? Our starting shooting guard Mac McClung with a very miserable 23% from 3 and 69% from FT line. I know, I know....his eye/concussion/knee/flu/coronavirus has had a big impact. I miss the days when the boards coverage of our players shortcomings was balanced. I think 2003 was isolating Pickett because he is our starting 4 and shooting just 37%. I think you see guards that shoot 37% from the floor, Akinjo was probably around that last year and I have certainly seen other guards in that range as well. It is not good, but having your starting forward shooting such a low % is even more difficult to overcome. As an aside, not all of us are all-aboard on the Mac train. I like the kid's hustle and how he shows up every game to play hard. However, I am critical of his shot selection and inability to make his teammates better more often. He obviously feels the responsibility to create something on offense, especially when Yurt7 is struggling, which I do believe leads to a lot of poor shots. If we had viable alternatives, I would want him to sit more, but he really is the only creator of his own shot on this team. I mean this is partly what I'm talking about. Why does it come across that he feels the need to create with Yurt struggling (49% from the floor struggling by the way) but Pickett isn't given the same built in excuse that he's trying to create. I'm a big fan of Mac's but this board is borderline unbearable with the excusing away his bad performances while bashing every other player on the roster for every bad possession. Right now, none of them are getting it done individually and I'm given no one a pass.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 23, 2020 14:24:26 GMT -5
I mean he is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play. Do you know who else is shooting a miserable 37% in conference play? Our starting shooting guard Mac McClung with a very miserable 23% from 3 and 69% from FT line. I know, I know....his eye/concussion/knee/flu/coronavirus has had a big impact. I miss the days when the boards coverage of our players shortcomings was balanced. I must have missed those days. Only been on this board since 2004. I joined in early 2004 as well. There has always been posters with their favorite players but it seems to have gotten ridiculous lately. The game threads are hilarious at times.
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Post by theboardkatt on Jan 23, 2020 14:39:09 GMT -5
I think 2003 was isolating Pickett because he is our starting 4 and shooting just 37%. I think you see guards that shoot 37% from the floor, Akinjo was probably around that last year and I have certainly seen other guards in that range as well. It is not good, but having your starting forward shooting such a low % is even more difficult to overcome. As an aside, not all of us are all-aboard on the Mac train. I like the kid's hustle and how he shows up every game to play hard. However, I am critical of his shot selection and inability to make his teammates better more often. He obviously feels the responsibility to create something on offense, especially when Yurt7 is struggling, which I do believe leads to a lot of poor shots. If we had viable alternatives, I would want him to sit more, but he really is the only creator of his own shot on this team. I mean this is partly what I'm talking about. Why does it come across that he feels the need to create with Yurt struggling (49% from the floor struggling by the way) but Pickett isn't given the same built in excuse that he's trying to create. I'm a big fan of Mac's but this board is borderline unbearable with the excusing away his bad performances while bashing every other player on the roster for every bad possession. Right now, none of them are getting it done individually and I'm given no one a pass. Pickett is trying to create, the problem is that he can’t. Every time the ball touches the floor it is almost a guaranteed air ball, brick, turnover or jump ball. He can occasionally have a strong drive and finish, but that’s maybe 10-20% of the time. At least when McClung doesn’t convert it can be a close shot with a possible rebound or put back, or he’ll get his own miss. Speaking of players getting their own misses, I wish Blair would cut out his ridiculous extended 2 second follow through and run after some of his own misses. Can’t change the trajectory after it leaves your hand and he’s got a better idea of where it’s going to end up than anyone else
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 23, 2020 14:46:58 GMT -5
I mean this is partly what I'm talking about. Why does it come across that he feels the need to create with Yurt struggling (49% from the floor struggling by the way) but Pickett isn't given the same built in excuse that he's trying to create. I'm a big fan of Mac's but this board is borderline unbearable with the excusing away his bad performances while bashing every other player on the roster for every bad possession. Right now, none of them are getting it done individually and I'm given no one a pass. Pickett is trying to create, the problem is that he can’t. Every time the ball touches the floor it is almost a guaranteed air ball, brick, turnover or jump ball. He can occasionally have a strong drive and finish, but that’s maybe 10-20% of the time. At least when McClung doesn’t convert it can be a close shot with a possible rebound or put back, or he’ll get his own miss. Speaking of players getting their own misses, I wish Blair would cut out his ridiculous extended 2 second follow through and run after some of his own misses. Can’t change the trajectory after it leaves your hand and he’s got a better idea of where it’s going to end up than anyone else Again, let's not facts get in the way of our perceptions. TO's in Conference play: Pickett: 1.7 per game in 34 minutes averaged per contest McClung: 2.0 per game in 33 minutes averaged per contest
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Post by DallasHoya on Jan 23, 2020 14:55:22 GMT -5
I think 2003 was isolating Pickett because he is our starting 4 and shooting just 37%. I think you see guards that shoot 37% from the floor, Akinjo was probably around that last year and I have certainly seen other guards in that range as well. It is not good, but having your starting forward shooting such a low % is even more difficult to overcome. As an aside, not all of us are all-aboard on the Mac train. I like the kid's hustle and how he shows up every game to play hard. However, I am critical of his shot selection and inability to make his teammates better more often. He obviously feels the responsibility to create something on offense, especially when Yurt7 is struggling, which I do believe leads to a lot of poor shots. If we had viable alternatives, I would want him to sit more, but he really is the only creator of his own shot on this team. I mean this is partly what I'm talking about. Why does it come across that he feels the need to create with Yurt struggling (49% from the floor struggling by the way) but Pickett isn't given the same built in excuse that he's trying to create. I'm a big fan of Mac's but this board is borderline unbearable with the excusing away his bad performances while bashing every other player on the roster for every bad possession. Right now, none of them are getting it done individually and I'm given no one a pass. Pickett has scored more than 15 points only once this year and once the year before. He's never averaged in double figures, and this is the first year he is averaging more than 40% from the field. A scorer / creator he is not.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 23, 2020 15:03:51 GMT -5
My post was really just trying to make the point that Pickett takes a lot of long twos or bad twos and it's killing his efficiency. I did not intend it as a commentary on everybody else. Pickett played much better out of conference, but so far has been struggling in Big East play.
If we are going to talk about fairness, for all the crap Yurtseven gets here (and Govan last year, before him), Yurtseven is actually our top 3 most efficient Big East players. Here is everybody's O rating for conference play:
Wahab: 131.2 Mosely: 108.8 Yurtseven: 106.2 Allen: 97.7 Blair: 96.6 McClung: 95.8 Pickett: 89.7
So yes, if your point is that McClung hasn't been great in conference play, I absolutely will agree with you on that. He hasn't been good either. Really, nobody has been good outside Yurtseven, Wahab, and Mosely. Blair and Allen are good but sub-100 O ratings aren't that good.
For all the talk our offense gets (ranked 24th now, after last night), in conference play, our offensive efficiency is 6 of 10, and our defense is 10 of 10. Put more simply, we have largely stunk on both sides of the ball in Big East play.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 23, 2020 15:06:21 GMT -5
Pickett is trying to create, the problem is that he can’t. Every time the ball touches the floor it is almost a guaranteed air ball, brick, turnover or jump ball. He can occasionally have a strong drive and finish, but that’s maybe 10-20% of the time. At least when McClung doesn’t convert it can be a close shot with a possible rebound or put back, or he’ll get his own miss. Speaking of players getting their own misses, I wish Blair would cut out his ridiculous extended 2 second follow through and run after some of his own misses. Can’t change the trajectory after it leaves your hand and he’s got a better idea of where it’s going to end up than anyone else Again, let's not facts get in the way of our perceptions. TO's in Conference play: Pickett: 1.7 per game in 34 minutes averaged per contest McClung: 2.0 per game in 33 minutes averaged per contest Your stats are not adjusted for tempo, and thus, not telling. In Big East play, McClung's turnover rate is 10.5, compared to Pickett's 15.8. So, Pickett is turning it over almost 50% more than McClung. So yeah, Pickett turns it over a lot. When you consider that McClung handles the ball a lot more than Pickett too (and thus more chances to turn it over), it's not even close. You can critize McClung for being inefficient and a bad defender, but he simply doesn't turn it over much. In fact, in both conference play and overall, he has turned it over less than anybody else on our team.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 23, 2020 15:07:10 GMT -5
I mean this is partly what I'm talking about. Why does it come across that he feels the need to create with Yurt struggling (49% from the floor struggling by the way) but Pickett isn't given the same built in excuse that he's trying to create. I'm a big fan of Mac's but this board is borderline unbearable with the excusing away his bad performances while bashing every other player on the roster for every bad possession. Right now, none of them are getting it done individually and I'm given no one a pass. Pickett has scored more than 15 points only once this year and once the year before. He's never averaged in double figures, and this is the first year he is averaging more than 40% from the field. A scorer / creator he is not. I don't even know where to begin with this. Mac is one more conference game performance from dipping below 40%. He is shooting 22% in conference from 3 and still hoisting over 5 game. He is by definition a volume scorer which means without volume his scoring doesn't materialize. Pickett isn't a volume scorer but is hitting at a similar percentage in conference this year so why he is getting bashed while you guys are defending Mac is beyond me. They are giving us the same sub par performance in conference on the offensive end. One guy is above average on defense and the other isn't. We need both of them to step it up on the offensive side of the ball.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 23, 2020 15:10:16 GMT -5
Again, let's not facts get in the way of our perceptions. TO's in Conference play: Pickett: 1.7 per game in 34 minutes averaged per contest McClung: 2.0 per game in 33 minutes averaged per contest Your stats are not adjusted for tempo, and thus, not telling. In Big East play, McClung's turnover rate is 10.5, compared to Pickett's 15.8. So, Pickett is turning it over almost 50% more than McClung. So yeah, Pickett turns it over a lot. When you consider that McClung handles the ball a lot more than Pickett too (and thus more chances to turn it over), it's not even close. You can critize McClung for being inefficient and a bad defender, but he simply doesn't turn it over much. In fact, in both conference play and overall, he has turned it over less than anybody else on our team. So Pickett should be penalized for swinging the ball more as opposed to holding on to it and forcing more 3 pt shots and drives to the basket. I may go back and chart every shot both of them have taken and I'd bet for every bad airball from Pickett inside the 3 pt line there is an airball 3 and wild drive by Mac. I'm not saying Pickett doesn't deserve criticism, I'm just saying they both do.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 23, 2020 15:12:00 GMT -5
Pickett has scored more than 15 points only once this year and once the year before. He's never averaged in double figures, and this is the first year he is averaging more than 40% from the field. A scorer / creator he is not. I don't even know where to begin with this. Mac is one more conference game performance from dipping below 40%. He is shooting 22% in conference and still hoisting over 5 game. He is by definition a volume scorer which means without volume his scoring doesn't materialize. Pickett isn't a volume scorer but is hitting at a similar percentage in conference this year so why he is getting bashed while you guys are defending Mac is beyond me. They are giving us the same sub par performance in conference on the offensive end. One guy is above average on defense and the other isn't. We need both of them to step it up on the offensive side of the ball. This isn't complicated. Both of them are inefficient, but Pickett is more inefficient. It's not just about shooting percentage. Other things matter, like how often you get to the line (McClung shoots a lot more free throws than Pickett), and Turnovers (McClung's turnover rate is lower than Pickett's). In other words, in a theoretical world where the team's dependence was solely on Pickett or McClung, the McClung version would score more points. But, neither would be efficient.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 23, 2020 15:15:54 GMT -5
I don't even know where to begin with this. Mac is one more conference game performance from dipping below 40%. He is shooting 22% in conference and still hoisting over 5 game. He is by definition a volume scorer which means without volume his scoring doesn't materialize. Pickett isn't a volume scorer but is hitting at a similar percentage in conference this year so why he is getting bashed while you guys are defending Mac is beyond me. They are giving us the same sub par performance in conference on the offensive end. One guy is above average on defense and the other isn't. We need both of them to step it up on the offensive side of the ball. This isn't complicated. Both of them are inefficient, but Pickett is more inefficient. It's not just about shooting percentage. Other things matter, like how often you get to the line (McClung shoots a lot more free throws than Pickett), and Turnovers (McClung's turnover rate is lower than Pickett's). In other words, ina theoretical world where the team's dependence was solely on Pickett or McClung, the McClung version would score more points. But, neither would be efficient. I won't argue that but in that same theoretical world, our defense would be worse than it already is and that is pretty bad.
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