HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 17, 2020 12:02:43 GMT -5
Not sure where to post this but the article by The Hoya that came out after a big win is a disgrace. We are fighting for an NCAA berth, all the negativity that came with the article is just irresponsible. There's no mention of the Creighton win at all and the article was published yesterday. Instead it just refocuses the spotlight on the terrible turn of events that we are fighting through right now. I have way more to say about this but I'll stop for now. Embarrassing for the program sheesh. thehoya.com/commentary-a-tumultuous-mens-basketball-season-brings-the-programs-future-into-question/
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 17, 2020 12:42:27 GMT -5
Not sure where to post this but the article by The Hoya that came out after a big win is a disgrace. We are fighting for an NCAA berth, all the negativity that came with the article is just irresponsible. There's no mention of the Creighton win at all and the article was published yesterday. Instead it just refocuses the spotlight on the terrible turn of events that we are fighting through right now. I have way more to say about this but I'll stop for now. Embarrassing for the program sheesh. thehoya.com/commentary-a-tumultuous-mens-basketball-season-brings-the-programs-future-into-question/I agree, the remaining kids are working their butt off and this is all that can be published. The future is not in question, if the season ended today, they are a tournament team. Open season to bury the team, but at least wait until their dead first.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Jan 17, 2020 15:57:44 GMT -5
Wow. Talk about premature emasculation. Let this season play out before writing an article like this. I'm not completely in the tank for Patrick but give the guy a chance and if anything give him credit for how well this team has played after the departure of said transfers.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 17, 2020 16:16:15 GMT -5
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s4hoyas
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 17, 2020 16:37:44 GMT -5
This type of article harkens me back to Ernest Hemingway's definition of critics..."They are those who watch the battle from on high, then when its over, come down and shoot the survivors..."
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2020 16:49:42 GMT -5
We fired the last coach for missing the tournament 3 out of 4 years and losing his prize recruit. If we miss the tournament this year, Ewing will have missed the tournament 3 years running, lost his prize recruit - there are a lot of parallels here to the criteria people set for firing JT3.
I don't think he gets fired until after year 4 with no tournament, but I don't understand the shocked reactions here. Precedent has been set, and most of this board had the standard as making the Sweet 16, and considered just making the tournament a failure.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 17, 2020 17:07:20 GMT -5
Ewing was handed a dumpster fire. 💩🔥
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 17, 2020 17:21:12 GMT -5
We fired the last coach for missing the tournament 3 out of 4 years and losing his prize recruit. If we miss the tournament this year, Ewing will have missed the tournament 3 years running, lost his prize recruit - there are a lot of parallels here to the criteria people set for firing JT3. I don't think he gets fired until after year 4 with no tournament, but I don't understand the shocked reactions here. Precedent has been set, and most of this board had the standard as making the Sweet 16, and considered just making the tournament a failure. Apples and oranges. III inherited what became an exceptional freshman class when he started at GU and the disintegration of the program happened 100% under him. Meanwhile, Ewing was asked to come in and pick up the pieces. You had to give Ewing a grace period to get his feet under him and this program back on track. Whether that is 1 or 2 years is up to the individual. Anyway, my biggest issue of this article is the timing. You want to write off the team and coach, do it in March if we are sitting out another NCAA tournament. To publish this after the team's best win of the season and before another huge opportunity home game is in poor taste. If anything, if the team wins tomorrow, an article should be written about how these 7 players and their coach have overcome some ridiculous obstacles to find early season success. And enough with the projections to next season, no one knows what this roster will look like, yet everyone is 100% positive the Hoyas will be a mess. Perhaps some recruiting will happen between now and then. Who knows what the future will bring.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2020 17:26:15 GMT -5
Ewing was handed a dumpster fire. 💩🔥 LJ Peak left at the end of the year, Isaac Copeland and Paul White transferred during the season. Four players transferred midseason this year. Ewing inherited a brand new practice facility and two players that would be All-BE selections. Is the state of the program going into year 4 really any better at this point? There's still time for it to improve through recruiting, but I'm not sure we're that much farther along from where we started.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2020 17:28:29 GMT -5
While I might quibble with a few things in the article, I think it's a fairly realistic look at where when one takes off the Hoya-colored glasses. On a few items:
This is undoubtedly true. While I think Ewing and the team have done an admirable job of recovering from the departures this season, it's really indisputable that, as the roster stands today, 2020-2021 is going to be tough with a tiny roster of current scholarship players, and with Allen and Yurtseven likely gone.
No, I don't think this is right. I fully expect Ewing to be here next year. All that said, after this year, Ewing will have been the coach for three years, and would be facing a third year without an NCAA tournament. And next year he fully owns the roster. So no, I don't think his job is in jeopardy but will the seat begin warming? Maybe, it really depends on how we finish the season, but with the depleted roster, I think it's a fair question to ask.
Frankly, given the current roster, and without Yurtseven and Allen, there is no way we will make the NCAA next season, unless Ewing recruits really well (very possible) in the next few months. So, if we don't make it this year, that'd be 4 years of no tournament.
Like I said, I can see why the article might get under some people's skin, but the reality is the article largely raises issues that I think are fair questions to ask.
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HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 17, 2020 17:37:43 GMT -5
Yes there are fair questions of the program but they were questions from last month. We have played many games since the transfers and the team has shown that it can make the NCAAs if it continues its current trajectory. I mean Lunardi and Palm both have Georgetown in their bracket projections updated as of THIS MORNING! The timing of the article is way off and the authors opinions need a bit of freshening up. If this was from some low level outside media outlet then OK but it's coming from Georgetown's own newspaper. Where is the support?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 17, 2020 19:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2020 19:36:30 GMT -5
Apples and oranges. III inherited what became an exceptional freshman class when he started at GU and the disintegration of the program happened 100% under him. Meanwhile, Ewing was asked to come in and pick up the pieces. You had to give Ewing a grace period to get his feet under him and this program back on track. Whether that is 1 or 2 years is up to the individual. I agree with everyone that the timing of the article is silly. Frankly, I think it's too early to comment intelligently on this year, considering that we have 14 games left. At 2-3 in the Big East, and 13 games to go, there is a wide range of possible outcomes, from making the tournament, to not. Let's see what happens and then we can more completely opine. However, on the quote above, I think there's a lot of revisionist history here. As someone who went to Georgetown entirely during the Esherick era (1999-2003), I can promise that those were terribly bleak years, aside from the unlikely run we made in 2001. On that recruiting class, Green was a good player, but he was not regarded as a program-changing recruit at the time, certainly not a 5 star recruit. Hibbert was not a well-regarded recruit. He wasn't on top 100 or top 150 lists. He wasn't even a good freshman at Georgetown, until he developed and made a huge turnaround as a sophomore. Other than that, much of the Final Four team included guys like Wallace, Summers, Sapp, Rivers, and Ewing Jr., who had nothing to do with Esherick. So yeah, Green and Hibbert absolutely helped a lot, but it's not as simple as saying they were Esherick recruits. Not to mention, if I recall, there were rumors Green might not even stay when the coaching change happened. No doubt, Ewing did not inherit a great situation, but Govan and Derrickson were really good top 100 players, and there were some decent role players on that team too (like Kaleb Johnson and Mosely). So yeah, Ewing did not inherit a great situation, but neither did JT3 (at Georgetown, at least, whenever there's a coaching change it's likely to be the case, because our coaches typically only change when the team is bad). (If I had to wager, this post will prompt guru to call me a JT3 apologist, or something like that.)
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 17, 2020 19:37:09 GMT -5
The school paper should rally the troops, not tell them to stay home. ☹️👎🏻
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Post by bicentennial on Jan 17, 2020 19:46:23 GMT -5
As a long time fan and Alum, I am disheartened by so much about what has happened on campus this year. This was a week when the school paper should have rallied around the team's win while two of the starters were severely ill but still played. Instead two fascist bully boy journalists chose this time to attempt to kick the coach and the players in the head instead of relishing the win. As we all remember, at the end of November two players announced their decision to transfer, prompting the discovery of restraining orders that had been filed against one of those players as well as against two other players. A few weeks later, inexplicably, more than 60 professors decided to write but also publish a letter to the university administration condemning that administration's fair, mandated process under Title Nine. Following this, the two other players named in the restraining order announced their transfer. A week later the players were cleared by the police and presumably had already been cleared by the University. Despite this extreme adversity, the remaining players on the team rallied around each other and their coach. They have played basketball extremely well. Normally, I am for a measured response and moderation but it seems our society and the university I love, has become dominated by extreme voices. It is my hope that any students who read this, would strongly support the team, the administration and their coach. With student support and the energy it provides during a game, this team and this coach should make it back to the NCAA this year. Without student support and the energy it brings, this team may falter. The students who don't attend the games and don't support their fellow student-athletes will have no one to blame for the losses but themselves. Should students feel that they need to protest, I would encourage them to rally for the removal of the Hoya editorial board who chose to publish such an oddly timed piece. Should that protest not be enough, they could also request removal of tenure from the professors who published the letter presumably violating the Title Nine rights of students.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 17, 2020 20:19:30 GMT -5
As a long time fan and Alum, I am disheartened by so much about what has happened on campus this year. This was a week when the school paper should have rallied around the team's win while two of the starters were severely ill but still played. I nstead two fascist bully boy journalists chose this time to attempt to kick the coach and the players in the head instead of relishing the win. As we all remember, at the end of November two players announced their decision to transfer, prompting the discovery of restraining orders that had been filed against one of those players as well as against two other players. A few weeks later, inexplicably, more than 60 professors decided to write but also publish a letter to the university administration condemning that administration's fair, mandated process under Title Nine. Following this, the two other players named in the restraining order announced their transfer. A week later the players were cleared by the police and presumably had already been cleared by the University. Despite this extreme adversity, the remaining players on the team rallied around each other and their coach. They have played basketball extremely well. Normally, I am for a measured response and moderation but it seems our society and the university I love, has become dominated by extreme voices. It is my hope that any students who read this, would strongly support the team, the administration and their coach. With student support and the energy it provides during a game, this team and this coach should make it back to the NCAA this year. Without student support and the energy it brings, this team may falter. The students who don't attend the games and don't support their fellow student-athletes will have no one to blame for the losses but themselves. Should students feel that they need to protest, I would encourage them to rally for the removal of the Hoya editorial board who chose to publish such an oddly timed piece. Should that protest not be enough, they could also request removal of tenure from the professors who published the letter presumably violating the Title Nine rights of students. Fascist bully boy? Seriously?
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 17, 2020 21:07:12 GMT -5
Butler's coach is certainly in line to be Big East coach of the year this year, but if we make it to the dance despite all of this year's developments, I would consider that an A+ performance by Ewing.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 17, 2020 21:17:52 GMT -5
The timing sucks. And, as other posters stated, it's too early to evaluate this year. Comment on the departures? Fine. Project "what ifs" in mid-January? Why? There's a reason they play the games and this season is far from over. The story they're reporting is, essentially, about what's already happened. It can wait until we have a better idea of what's going to happen because the stuff that already occurred will still have occurred. It's pointless, at best, to publish it now. At worst, it's disrespectful to the guys that are still our Georgetown Hoyas and are busting their asses with very little support from their classmates as it is.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 17, 2020 21:31:09 GMT -5
I think like most things this article was already written after the Villanova game and was all ready to be posted after the Creighton "loss". But unfortunately for them the Hoyas won. You often see that here where someone is all ready with their diatribe against the Hoyas but the Hoyas win and then they have to pull it back into their back pocket until the next big Hoya loss.
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HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 17, 2020 21:42:00 GMT -5
I think like most things this article was already written after the Villanova game and was all ready to be posted after the Creighton "loss". But unfortunately for them the Hoyas won. You often see that here where someone is all ready with their diatribe against the Hoyas but the Hoyas win and then they have to pull it back into their back pocket until the next big Hoya loss. It seems like the authors started writing the article weeks ago and slowly updated it. Unfortunately they did not change the overall theme of the article based on our recent results and relative success compared to our roster talent. This is lazy writing and it's even worse that they decided to publish it as is.
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