njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 17, 2020 22:07:26 GMT -5
The Hoya can use a better editor. It’s Bluejays. One word. The Blue Jays are a baseball team in Toronto.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 17, 2020 22:11:18 GMT -5
I think HoyaDr is right. This article was written in the manner of a summary of between-semester action designed to bring a casual fan up to speed. It ignored the real story about how the team has progressed, and unfairly assumes that a coaching change is warranted. While a campus newspaper doesn’t have to act as an extension of the university public relations department, it also doesn’t have to fabricate controversy.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jan 17, 2020 22:17:41 GMT -5
I think like most things this article was already written after the Villanova game and was all ready to be posted after the Creighton "loss". But unfortunately for them the Hoyas won. You often see that here where someone is all ready with their diatribe against the Hoyas but the Hoyas win and then they have to pull it back into their back pocket until the next big Hoya loss. This is a fair point. But when you're discussing the employment of a HC (and a Hoya legend to boot), you don't roll the dice like that. That's why there are message boards. For idiots like us to do that sort of thing.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 17, 2020 22:41:05 GMT -5
The Hoya can use a better editor. It’s Bluejays. One word. The Blue Jays are a baseball team in Toronto. And in the original opinion article, the author stated that Dante Harris plays for Alcoa High School. He transferred from that school two years ago and now attends and plays for Lakeway Christian School.
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Jan 18, 2020 0:01:11 GMT -5
Lot of words in response to this. All I can think is: screw it. Keep winning and prove them wrong. Or lose and make them seem prescient.
Either way, the results are all that will matter. Not any article.
Or as a wise man once said: only one thing left to do...
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 18, 2020 10:38:38 GMT -5
Ewing was handed a dumpster fire. 💩🔥 Yes, and he threw a couple more logs on this season. I’m not for firing him unless the team practically loses out. And the timing of the article is ridiculous; let the courageous remaining guys on the roster do their thing. But as TC said, let’s not act like the notion is absurd. This was supposed to be the season where we turned the corner. Instead, it’s been a lateral move at best...which would be a great save by Ewing but still requires some recruiting and on-court wins. And also, the defections fall completely and utterly at his feet. Those were his recruits, his guys, and so it’s his shtstorm. Full stop. He is absolutely 100% culpable for what happened with Akinjo, LeBlanc, Gardner and Alexander. That’s the deal when you’re the coach. Your guys; your mess. Let’s stop with the poor Pat narrative. You don’t get a free pass for being a poor judge of character. And let’s be clear...I like Pat personally and actually think he’s doing a very good job with the guys he has left. But he’s got to recruit exponentially better than he has to date to remain viable as a coach. He’s lost half the kids he’s brought in to one thing or another. At the very least, he has to acknowledge that, address a new approach and prove that he’s taking a new tack relative to recruiting. The old “operating behind closed doors crap” WILL NOT be sufficient to earn him necessary buy in from alums, fans and media. His PR people really need to help him make some clear, concise, positive statements about the new way he is going to do things. He needs to flip this situation in his favor and use it as a change mechanism that paints him as a progressive survivor and not a dinosaur. I think he’s smart enough to do it, but he sure hasn’t gotten much help from the laughable braintrust on the Hilltop. When are they going to join the 21st century and hire someone to help steer the PR ship? I do feel terrible for the pathetic lack of support the university has given him through this choppy season. Why would anyone want to come to GU...where we abandon our own to the wolves of public opinion in times of crisis? If Pat makes it through this mess, and I really hope he does, he will have done it in spite of the administration and operations clowns.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 18, 2020 10:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 18, 2020 11:05:08 GMT -5
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 18, 2020 11:40:57 GMT -5
Are you surprised that people writing for The Hoya are students? And, I’m not sure why this is so upsetting. One good game does not change the fact that the trajectory of the basketball team is not good. I disagree with their conclusion about Ewing being in trouble if they don’t make the tournament this year. Not because he wouldn’t deserve to be in trouble but because thats not how this school rolls. They’ll make that decision too late rather than too early. We’ll see how it unfolds It’s definitely in a gray area now and could go in either direction but to act like this article and opinion is ridiculous is to ignore what has happened over the past three years.
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Post by TC on Jan 18, 2020 11:56:08 GMT -5
Two students wrote one sentence you guys don't like and you guys are Twitter and Instagram stalking them? That seems totally reasonable. It's clear by the record listed in the piece that it was written after the Villanova game, not the Creighton game, but probably due to the vagaries of publishing it didn't come out until now. Unfortunate, and bad timing, but those things happen.
This really is all about the one sentence saying that Ewing's job being in jeopardy at the end of the year if the team doesn't win. I don't think his job is at stake this season, but I also don't think what was written was libelous, malicious, or crazy. JT3 was fired because he didn't win. If Ewing doesn't win, his job will be in jeopardy too. I think they are wrong on timeline, but why is that such a crazy thing to write?
The Hoya and The Voice are not extensions of our completely inept Athletic Department PR department. Has anyone in this thread ever read The Hoya or The Voice before? The campus papers' raison d'etre has always been to criticize stuff on campus - sometimes needlessly.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 18, 2020 11:59:00 GMT -5
Correct. Every journalism student aspires to be a famous muckraking investigative reporter. College newspapers are the perfect place to practice.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 18, 2020 12:02:22 GMT -5
Two students wrote one sentence you guys don't like and you guys are Twitter and Instagram stalking them? That seems totally reasonable. It's clear by the record listed in the piece that it was written after the Villanova game, not the Creighton game, but probably due to the vagaries of publishing it didn't come out until now. Unfortunate, and bad timing, but those things happen. This really is all about the one sentence saying that Ewing's job being in jeopardy at the end of the year if the team doesn't win. I don't think his job is at stake this season, but I also don't think what was written was libelous, malicious, or crazy. JT3 was fired because he didn't win. If Ewing doesn't win, his job will be in jeopardy too. I think they are wrong on timeline, but why is that such a crazy thing to write? The Hoya and The Voice are not extensions of our completely inept Athletic Department PR department. Has anyone in this thread ever read The Hoya or The Voice before? The campus papers' raison d'etre has always been to criticize stuff on campus - sometimes needlessly. Yup these clowns are public figures who thrust themselves in the public spotlight with their idiocy.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 18, 2020 12:34:43 GMT -5
My issue is not really the sentence about Ewing it is just the overall negative slant of the article in mid-January for a team that is actually included in many mock NCAAs. I understand the article if it was March and we were missing out on the NCAAs, but the reality is if we stay on the present track and make the NCAAs this season; Ewing is "on schedule" and there really should not be criticism. That is my problem with it. Reading this you would think we were circling the drain.
Ewing did make his own mess this season and beyond so if the team misses out on the NCAAs this season, I will be firmly in the camp of NCAAs next season or time to move on, but I am not giving up on this season yet and neither should the student paper.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 18, 2020 12:54:18 GMT -5
The article timing certainly seems like bad timing. If the team wins the next few (winnable) games, it will age even worse.
That being said if we lose 3 of the next 4, this article probably is not off base about the state of the program in Year 3 other than the jeopardy comment. In my opinion Ewing could almost lose every game left and he’s coming back. Next year I think is probably the first year he may even be considered to be on a hot seat, and given our history we’d have to be pretty bad for the administration to pull the cord.
So yes the article is premature. But in a month could it have been a fair commentary? Certainly. Hopefully we continue to win and it’s a moot point. Then perhaps a new article can be written: “Reports of the Hoyas demise have been greatly exaggerated”
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 18, 2020 15:21:39 GMT -5
I happen to think the article is perhaps a bit off base in spots, but I don't find the position in the article ridiculous. Instead, it speaks to what seems like a stagnant state of affairs that at some point affects most all fans.
Frankly, I think Ewing has done his best on court coaching this year. He has dealt with transfers and occasional injuries while still leading a team that plays hard. We have respectable wins over Syracuse, Creighton, Oklahoma St, SMU, and Texas. On the whole, Ewing has shown he can go toe to toe with major programs and beat them, even with a short-handed roster. We played an excellent Duke team hard. All of these things are good.
The problem for me is that even as these good things have happened, I find myself caring less. The problem for me is that it's hard to see what we are building here. There's a constant feeling of one steps forward, two steps back. In the waning moments of the JTIII era, the most consistent complaints were a rash of transfers, poor recruiting, an outdated offense, and poor defense. Three years into the Ewing era, not much has changed. He definitely has improved the offense a lot, but the other things remain problems. Recruiting successes have been undercut by transfers and de-commitments. The defense is weak (though we don't foul like we did at the end of JTIII's tenure).
I actually think we might squeak into the Tournament this year, but it's hard for me to see what that means long term. With all the departures, it strikes me that next year likely offers a significant rebuild. In that way, I have felt like we have been "rebuilding" for six or seven seasons now with only occasional successes. I would like to see some sign that we are headed toward consistent success.
It's stinging for me that over the last five years, we have a lot more in common with DePaul than we do with Villanova. That's not all Ewing's fault, and this team fully deserves the support of the fan base. That said, I get why it's frustrating. Moreover, the off-court incidents were really a problem for me. I expect all students at Georgetown to treat others with respect. The clumsy handling of the situation isn't something I have forgotten, and I don't think the initial response was acceptable.
So, I get the mixed feelings, even though I see the positives. It's just harder each year to keep paying attention.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 18, 2020 16:29:44 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 22, 2020 13:46:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree that GU will take a hard look at Ewing if he doesn't make the tournament this year or next. My impression is that the university is content with a clean, competitive program, and Patrick is delivering that now notwithstanding recent off-court events. Absent evidence that the wheels are coming off (JTIII) or bad public relations (Esherick), I suspect he's safe.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 22, 2020 14:05:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree that GU will take a hard look at Ewing if he doesn't make the tournament this year or next. My impression is that the university is content with a clean, competitive program, and Patrick is delivering that now notwithstanding recent off-court events. Absent evidence that the wheels are coming off (JTIII) or bad public relations (Esherick), I suspect he's safe. I just don't see how missing the tournament in your first four or five years doesn't count as "wheels falling off," unless you have a monster class coming in, or something of that nature. I mean, wasn't the reason we made a change in the first place because our team missed the tournament in 3 of 4 years? I mean, isn't that the reason the "wheels came off"? The fact that fans are using wildly different standards now than they did in 2016/2017 probably should not surprise me. I just thought many of the gripes with the previous regime were that we weren't making the tournament, and when we did (regardless of the high seeds), we flamed out in the first round. If we don't make the tournament by the end of 2021, I think pressure, etc. will be a lot different than it is today. Hopefully, we never see that day, because we make the tournament.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 22, 2020 14:16:21 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sure but I thought Ewing signed a 4 or 5-year deal when he was hired if so isn't it time for PE & Gtown to start talking extension?
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 22, 2020 15:35:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree that GU will take a hard look at Ewing if he doesn't make the tournament this year or next. My impression is that the university is content with a clean, competitive program, and Patrick is delivering that now notwithstanding recent off-court events. Absent evidence that the wheels are coming off (JTIII) or bad public relations (Esherick), I suspect he's safe. I just don't see how missing the tournament in your first four or five years doesn't count as "wheels falling off," unless you have a monster class coming in, or something of that nature. I mean, wasn't the reason we made a change in the first place because our team missed the tournament in 3 of 4 years? I mean, isn't that the reason the "wheels came off"? The fact that fans are using wildly different standards now than they did in 2016/2017 probably should not surprise me. I just thought many of the gripes with the previous regime were that we weren't making the tournament, and when we did (regardless of the high seeds), we flamed out in the first round. If we don't make the tournament by the end of 2021, I think pressure, etc. will be a lot different than it is today. Hopefully, we never see that day, because we make the tournament. It's just a difference in perception, I guess. It is certainly true that JTIII's inability to get into the tournament was a factor, but there was also a sense that things were falling apart and that the direction of the program was south. I also recall rumblings that his dismissal was actually a close call and that he might have survived had he been able to hang on to Waters. In other words, I think in GU's world stability matters as much as winning. If Patrick can hold steady, he has a puncher's chance of surviving regardless of what happens with the tournament.
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