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Post by guru on Jan 3, 2020 17:19:10 GMT -5
Assigning the blame for why those transfers happened is always going to be a subjective exercise, but it doesn't change the fact that we're short-handed this year and basically starting over again next year. I agree, and I am really surprised this hasn't gotten more traction among our fans. I think it's likely because of our winning streak, but nonetheless it's hard to treat next year as anything but a near full rebuild. Perhaps others are just more optimistic but aside from McClung, we will have a roster with no players that are Big East caliber starters. All of the bigs are raw (Wahab, Ighoefe, Wilson) or freshman (Sibley). Right now, Pickett is the only wing, and while somewhat improved (yes, I know he starts but he really isn't a Big East quality starter), he's really never broken out, and the same could be said for Blair. Perhaps Harris helps as a guard, but he's a freshman. I realize Ewing is going to add pieces, but that's not a good base to start from, especially when you need graduate transfers if you want them to play immediately. Now...could things turn out okay? If: - McClung continues to improve and becomes more dominant. - Pickett actually turns into a high level Big East player. - One or more of the bigs develops quickly. - Sibley comes in ready Day 1 and helps. - Ewing picks up graduate transfer guard(s) who can immediately help. - Ewing picks up decommits/other good freshman. This is asking a lot though. It's not impossible, but highly improbable that we make the tournament next year, unless we get either (a) a major freshman recruit or (b) a major graduate transfer next year, or someone makes a McClung type jump. Without that, I think it's highly unlikely we get to the tournament next year on McClung alone, which means at best we will have made the tournament in 1 of 4 years (the same situation JT3 was in when he got fired). Possibly hasn’t gotten traction because thankfully not every poster is as hellbent on negativity and relitigating the end of the JT3 years as you and a handful of others seem to be. How about we just see how this year goes and reevaluate at the end of the season? I happen to think we can still be a very good team this year, and that that success could very well carry over to coming seasons. As you so hopefully say - “it’s not impossible.” As for the roster turmoil, that falls squarely on Ewing. He did not recruit the type of young men who would thrive at Georgetown. It was a bad situation - but this team is so much more fun to watch at the moment than they were before the debacle. In the end, this year’s team, after all it has been through already, is shaping out to be an incredibly fun group to follow and root for. I would think a fan would want to focus on that, and not imagined scenarios of doom in the seasons to come.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 23, 2020 18:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 23, 2020 19:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 23, 2020 19:41:03 GMT -5
Texas Southern now has a better chance to make the tournament before we do.......ducks and runs!!!
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 23, 2020 23:21:21 GMT -5
WTF Kid is tough, definitely should be playing for a high major school. This is the only transfer I wish stayed. I predict he will at least transfer to a mid major before his college career is done.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 23, 2020 23:23:05 GMT -5
WTF Kid is tough, definitely should be playing for a high major school. This is the only transfer I wish stayed. I predict he will at least transfer to a mid major before his college career is done. This move had nothing to do with basketball ability and everything to do with being dismissed from LSU, the allegations against him off the court, and semi-dismissed from Georgetown. I am sure his mini-Twitter tirade after he left didn't help either. He only has one year of eligibility left. I doubt he plays for anybody else other than Texas Southern. And if he does next year, it'll basically be half a year and he will be done.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 23, 2020 23:25:31 GMT -5
WTF Kid is tough, definitely should be playing for a high major school. This is the only transfer I wish stayed. I predict he will at least transfer to a mid major before his college career is done. This move had nothing to do with basketball ability and everything to do with being dismissed from LSU, the allegations against him off the court, and semi-dismissed from Georgetown. I am sure his mini-Twitter tirade after he left didn't help either. He only has one year of eligibility left. I doubt he plays for anybody else other than Texas Southern. And if he does next year, it'll basically be half a year and he will be done. Your right, I misread. I thought this was Gardner. Correct, Alexander has limited options.
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Post by aggypryd on Jan 23, 2020 23:39:40 GMT -5
Damn... he couldn’t pick A&T?!?!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 24, 2020 0:11:34 GMT -5
Damn... he couldn’t pick A&T?!?! At least this season, Texas Southern is the second best SWAC team. Still, it will have to be weird for him going from SEC/Big East games to some really small venues and almost no television coverage in what is usually the worst or second worst conference in the country.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 24, 2020 0:39:03 GMT -5
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Post by kbones17 on Jan 24, 2020 1:50:25 GMT -5
Just goes to show you why we should be focusing more of our recruiting efforts on our region (DMV, northeast). Basically all of the transfers out of the program over the last few years have ended up much closer to home.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 24, 2020 2:33:50 GMT -5
This move had nothing to do with basketball ability and everything to do with being dismissed from LSU, the allegations against him off the court, and semi-dismissed from Georgetown. I am sure his mini-Twitter tirade after he left didn't help either. He only has one year of eligibility left. I doubt he plays for anybody else other than Texas Southern. And if he does next year, it'll basically be half a year and he will be done. Your right, I misread. I thought this was Gardner. Correct, Alexander has limited options. Gardner is the one I'd really like back (Josh, too, actually, unless I find out more things that would make me change my mind)
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Post by metaphor on Jan 24, 2020 10:03:21 GMT -5
Just goes to show you why we should be focusing more of our recruiting efforts on our region (DMV, northeast). Basically all of the transfers out of the program over the last few years have ended up much closer to home. Wasn'tTerrance Williams from the DMV. He transferred before he even arrived Sorry that was a cheap shot...I couldn't help myself. I actually agree with you that we should focus more on DMV area, the carolinas, and New England.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 24, 2020 10:48:01 GMT -5
Just goes to show you why we should be focusing more of our recruiting efforts on our region (DMV, northeast). Basically all of the transfers out of the program over the last few years have ended up much closer to home. 100% correct. Chasing kids across the country is not a recipe for success. You want east coast kids that can help you build a useful network. Kids say they want to get away from home, but getting a few 100 miles from home is usually good enough, when you are changing time zones and climates and the way people talk things start to be very unfamiliar for these kids. There is just so much talent between Boston and Virginia, even the tier 2 players are good enough to play in the BE.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 24, 2020 11:40:37 GMT -5
100% correct. Chasing kids across the country is not a recipe for success. You want east coast kids that can help you build a useful network. Kids say they want to get away from home, but getting a few 100 miles from home is usually good enough, when you are changing time zones and climates and the way people talk things start to be very unfamiliar for these kids. There is just so much talent between Boston and Virginia, even the tier 2 players are good enough to play in the BE. Good point--and with out of towners there is simply less information from coaches or teachers on who's a troublemaker and who's not. Don't doubt for a moment that John Thompson knew exactly who he was recruiting in the DC/Balt area because he had intel throughout the region. FWIW, nine of the last ten transfers have been outside of the Northeast. Stephen Domingo - California Isaac Copeland - North Carolina Paul White - Illinois Chris Sodom - TennesseeAntwan Walker - Washington DC James Akinjo - California Grayson Carter - Texas Josh LeBlanc - Louisiana Galen Alexander - Louisiana Myron Gardner - Michigan
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 24, 2020 12:34:39 GMT -5
100% correct. Chasing kids across the country is not a recipe for success. You want east coast kids that can help you build a useful network. Kids say they want to get away from home, but getting a few 100 miles from home is usually good enough, when you are changing time zones and climates and the way people talk things start to be very unfamiliar for these kids. There is just so much talent between Boston and Virginia, even the tier 2 players are good enough to play in the BE. Good point--and with out of towners there is simply less information from coaches or teachers on who's a troublemaker and who's not. Don't doubt for a moment that John Thompson knew exactly who he was recruiting in the DC/Balt area because he had intel throughout the region. FWIW, nine of the last ten transfers have been outside of the Northeast. Stephen Domingo - California Isaac Copeland - North Carolina Paul White - Illinois Chris Sodom - TennesseeAntwan Walker - Washington DC James Akinjo - California Grayson Carter - Texas Josh LeBlanc - Louisiana Galen Alexander - Louisiana Myron Gardner - MichiganI feel like this disproves some of the point being discussed. Yes getting guys that want to stay home is key. But of our transfers out, only Josh Leblanc really went "home". Everyone else has ended at schools that are still "away from home". That said, I agree with the premise that there is enough talent up and down the East coast that we should be able to recruit closer to home. In today's AAU culture though, it is not as realistic. You see these guys at national tournaments, it doesn't matter where they are from anymore...we don't live in a regional world anymore.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 24, 2020 13:05:43 GMT -5
Any news on Gardner? I feel like he was the one that got strangely caught up in the issues, but then had the case settled quickly and doesn't have much working against him now. Of any of the 4, I would have thought he was the one teams would have jumped at -- with age/years left to play, talent/toughness, and not really any baggage (get to another school and assuming nothing happens there, no one there will notice that he had a civil case settled out of court). Is there a snowball's chance in hell he could come back to the team? I feel like even just having him would have helped the team a lot with wing depth and toughness.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 24, 2020 13:55:46 GMT -5
Any news on Gardner? I feel like he was the one that got strangely caught up in the issues, but then had the case settled quickly and doesn't have much working against him now. Of any of the 4, I would have thought he was the one teams would have jumped at -- with age/years left to play, talent/toughness, and not really any baggage (get to another school and assuming nothing happens there, no one there will notice that he had a civil case settled out of court). Is there a snowball's chance in hell he could come back to the team? I feel like even just having him would have helped the team a lot with wing depth and toughness. I’m assuming he would have be taking classes on the hilltop to be eligible to play this semseter
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 24, 2020 14:17:46 GMT -5
Good point--and with out of towners there is simply less information from coaches or teachers on who's a troublemaker and who's not. Don't doubt for a moment that John Thompson knew exactly who he was recruiting in the DC/Balt area because he had intel throughout the region. FWIW, nine of the last ten transfers have been outside of the Northeast. Stephen Domingo - California Isaac Copeland - North Carolina Paul White - Illinois Chris Sodom - TennesseeAntwan Walker - Washington DC James Akinjo - California Grayson Carter - Texas Josh LeBlanc - Louisiana Galen Alexander - Louisiana Myron Gardner - MichiganI feel like this disproves some of the point being discussed. Yes getting guys that want to stay home is key. But of our transfers out, only Josh Leblanc really went "home". Everyone else has ended at schools that are still "away from home". That said, I agree with the premise that there is enough talent up and down the East coast that we should be able to recruit closer to home. In today's AAU culture though, it is not as realistic. You see these guys at national tournaments, it doesn't matter where they are from anymore...we don't live in a regional world anymore. Not sure how you could say some of these transfers didn't go "home". Stephen Domingo went to St. Ignatius in San Francisco and ended up transferring to Cal-Berkeley. Grayson Carter was from Dallas and transferred to UT-Arlington. LeBlanc was from Baton Rouge and transferred to LSU. Alexander was from Lafayette, LA and transferred to Texas Southern, which is a 3.5 hour drive from his hometown.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 24, 2020 14:29:14 GMT -5
I feel like this disproves some of the point being discussed. Yes getting guys that want to stay home is key. But of our transfers out, only Josh Leblanc really went "home". Everyone else has ended at schools that are still "away from home". That said, I agree with the premise that there is enough talent up and down the East coast that we should be able to recruit closer to home. In today's AAU culture though, it is not as realistic. You see these guys at national tournaments, it doesn't matter where they are from anymore...we don't live in a regional world anymore. Not sure how you could say some of these transfers didn't go "home". Stephen Domingo went to St. Ignatius in San Francisco and ended up transferring to Cal-Berkeley. Grayson Carter was from Dallas and transferred to UT-Arlington. LeBlanc was from Baton Rouge and transferred to LSU. Alexander was from Lafayette, LA and transferred to Texas Southern, which is a 3.5 hour drive from his hometown. Previously in this thread, someone had brought up 100 miles as being "away" for college. So that immediately removes Alexander from the discussion. I'm not sure why Domingo was included in this, he was thoroughly JT3 and he transferred due to personal performance. Grayson definitely went home but he left due to PT, not to go home or for any other reason. LeBlanc I acknowledged and he openly admitted to being homesick. As far as Alexander goes, 3.5 hour drive (218 miles) doesn't seem like it's "moving home" to me. If anything he was rejoining the coach that recruited him at LSU...not going home. So, for me, two of Pat's transfers went "home" and one was looking for PT, not "homesick". So to me that goes against the argument that "we need to recruit locally because players will get homesick and transfer home".
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