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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 13, 2020 9:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 13, 2020 10:29:39 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jul 13, 2020 23:53:07 GMT -5
There's going to be all sorts of attempts to fit a square peg in a round, incredibly contagious hole and ultimately there will not be any college football this fall. It's going to progress just like how every conference tried to make their conference tourneys work in basketball.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 11, 2020 17:31:07 GMT -5
Notre Dame looks to play this Fall while the Big 10 sits it out. Notre Dame now has a straight shot at the National Championship this year with only 11 games, and no longer having to play USC, Wisconsin or Stanford. Only CLemson stands in their way and the Irish play them at home.
This has very big future implications. If Notre Dame wins the Championship while Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin and Penn State are on the sidelines, Notre Dame will have the upper hand against all the BIG 10 schools they recruit against going forward. What prospect is going to risk his future at a Michigan or Illinois when politics of some other kind can potentially sideline a future career like it looks to have done in 2020.
Notre Dame pulls this off safely and wins, they may be garnering multiple national championships in the next ten or even five years.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 11, 2020 18:05:06 GMT -5
This has implications for Georgetown in the academic arena. If Notre Dame gets an Alabama-Clemson type money machine cranked up (current NBC contract times 3 or 4 each game? as all the Big 10 and Pac-10 media markets come under its domination) to add to their already large endowment,"Power 5-ish" status and commitment to what I call the "large C" Catholic (ones who attend church, take communion, believe in the repudiation of all original sin and the like) constituency, Georgetown will be in a very tough situation. If will be harder to win cross-admit battles with Notre Dame and if we start losing lots of them, we could be pushed into being the Boston College of DC, with BC's national ranking level which is something like ten places below ours in US News.
Time to be a Clemson fan this November 7th.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 11, 2020 18:46:17 GMT -5
This has implications for Georgetown in the academic arena. If Notre Dame gets an Alabama-Clemson type money machine cranked up to add to their already large endowment,"Power 5-ish" status and commitment to what I call the "large C" Catholic (ones who attend church, take communion, believe in the repudiation of original sin and the like) constituency, Georgetown will be in a very tough situation. If will be ever harder to win cross-admit battles with Notre Dame and if we start losing lots of them, we could be pushed into being the Boston College of DC, with BC's national ranking level which is something like ten places below ours in US News. Except ND already has a sizeable football revenue stream, $112 million a year, which ranks ahead of Clemson and trails Alabama. slapthesign.com/2020/02/29/notre-dame-football-comparing-financials/As to rankings, two points: 1. As to big c-Catholics, they're not looking at Georgetown. The University has made a variety of decisions (some intentional, others indirect) which don't appeal to that audience; but, to be fair, ND isn't the draw to the devout that it once was, either. Catholics are increasingly taking advantage of lower cost public education. (The rad-trad audience would like to tout the primacy of places like Steubenville and Ava Maria for Catholic education when both have high accept rates, low enrollment, and relatively low measures of scholarship outside theology.) 2. Georgetown wins admissions battles vs. Notre Dame on a regular basis but the kind of applicant applying to both is a limited crosstab, e.g., engineering majors aren't applying to Georgetown. Where Georgetown is vulnerable (and this may bear witness in the US News rankings next week which could be a big, big story if GU falls out of the top 25) is an ongoing change in US News methodology which is reducing the "reputation" scoring and ending high school counselor recommendations (who regularly place GU in the top 10) in favor of metrics on faculty resources and endowment per student, neither of which favors Georgetown. Here are some examples: 1. Princeton: $2,864,026 endowment per student 19. Notre Dame: $867,371 92. Boston College $196,367 145. Georgetown: $128,676 (The next Division I school on this list after Georgetown is Monmouth.). www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudentHow do you change this? It's numerator or denominator--either more and more fundraising or admit far fewer students. But one of Georgetown's existential issues with fundraising is that the major market donors are likely in the technology or science fields and not from the liberal arts...or especially foreign service, so they're not in Georgetown's alumni pool to begin with. Most attorneys or doctors will never make the money over their lifetimes to make a $25 million gift upon retirement. ND got a $100 million gift three years ago from an aviation executive in its class of 1978 who played in the marching band and that was his link to the school. Chances are good he wasn't coming to Georgetown in 1974. Georgetown was justifiably proud of raising $1.6 billion in its last campaign ending in 2016, but it was a fight to the finish. Does Georgetown want to match Notre Dame? They launched a $4 billion campaign the following year with a similarly sized alumni base, but one with more entrepreneurs and more high net worth individuals. The problem is, where in the Georgetown alumni base is that capacity to give? It's not altogether there, and it'a a LOT tougher to chase the philanthropic community that aren't connected to GU and try to make the case that their gift is better placed at Georgetown than Harvard, Hopkins, or 100 other schools. giving.nd.edu/boldly-notre-dame/our-priorities/
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 11, 2020 18:53:02 GMT -5
Notre Dame looks to play this Fall while the Big 10 sits it out. Notre Dame now has a straight shot at the National Championship this year with only 11 games, and no longer having to play USC, Wisconsin or Stanford. Only CLemson stands in their way and the Irish play them at home. This has very big future implications. If Notre Dame wins the Championship while Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin and Penn State are on the sidelines, Notre Dame will have the upper hand against all the BIG 10 schools they recruit against going forward. What prospect is going to risk his future at a Michigan or Illinois when politics of some other kind can potentially sideline a future career like it looks to have done in 2020. Notre Dame pulls this off safely and wins, they may be garnering multiple national championships in the next ten or even five years. This is as dumb as your “Trump is doing a good job” take.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 11, 2020 20:10:14 GMT -5
Notre Dame looks to play this Fall while the Big 10 sits it out. Notre Dame now has a straight shot at the National Championship this year with only 11 games, and no longer having to play USC, Wisconsin or Stanford. Only CLemson stands in their way and the Irish play them at home. This has very big future implications. If Notre Dame wins the Championship while Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin and Penn State are on the sidelines, Notre Dame will have the upper hand against all the BIG 10 schools they recruit against going forward. What prospect is going to risk his future at a Michigan or Illinois when politics of some other kind can potentially sideline a future career like it looks to have done in 2020. Notre Dame pulls this off safely and wins, they may be garnering multiple national championships in the next ten or even five years. This is as dumb as your “Trump is doing a good job” take. If Duke wins tomorrow it will be real dumb.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 12, 2020 18:48:15 GMT -5
Notre Dame looks to play this Fall while the Big 10 sits it out. Notre Dame now has a straight shot at the National Championship this year with only 11 games, and no longer having to play USC, Wisconsin or Stanford. Only CLemson stands in their way and the Irish play them at home. This has very big future implications. If Notre Dame wins the Championship while Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin and Penn State are on the sidelines, Notre Dame will have the upper hand against all the BIG 10 schools they recruit against going forward. What prospect is going to risk his future at a Michigan or Illinois when politics of some other kind can potentially sideline a future career like it looks to have done in 2020. Notre Dame pulls this off safely and wins, they may be garnering multiple national championships in the next ten or even five years. This is as dumb as your “Trump is doing a good job” take. I don't see how you go from "Notre Dame is playing while the Big 10 sits out" to "Notre Dame becomes college footballs preeminent program" is three sentences.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 13, 2020 14:28:18 GMT -5
You are right, it will take about a dozen more wins and a complete formal affirmation by the Big 10 and Pac 10 conferences of their decision to scuttle the 2020 season to move beyond the 3 sentences.
After that, ND goes from competing for and losing talent (and coaching as well as player talent) to Stanford, USC, UCLA, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin and OSU, to winning it across the board as they make the argument that they had the player's and coaches backs in 2020 while the Big 10 and Pac 10 didn't make an effort to even try and do a safe season.
As to what Georgetown should do because of the impact I think this will have on us, I would suggest that our senior officials lobby the Big/PAC 10 to open up in the same manner UND is doing, as well as lobbying our own Patriot League and the Ivy League to have some abbreviated athletic season in the coming months.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 16, 2020 8:39:20 GMT -5
Big 10 Football Back today. Notre Dame program for pigskin domination Dashed!
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 16, 2020 8:48:36 GMT -5
Notre Dame now has a harder path-they have to win 12 games while Michigan, OSU et al only need 9 wins to get in the playoff
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 16, 2020 11:12:39 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Sept 16, 2020 11:33:10 GMT -5
Notre Dame now has a harder path-they have to win 12 games while Michigan, OSU et al only need 9 wins to get in the playoff Hey - nobody really gives a rat’s heinie about your hot takes on Notre Dame football. While not quite as irrelevant as your political posts, you are nonetheless, in both cases, fluffing the board with piffle.
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