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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2019 17:25:36 GMT -5
Two Comments: 1. It seems that the University needs to make a statement, i.e., say something. 2. This whole episode(s) has been a disaster for the University and for the basketball team/program.These transfers, and the university professors' letter, firmly moves this from "basketball story" to an embarrassment for the university at large. While I think the university will be fine, I hate to see this type of publicity.
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Post by hoyaduck on Dec 13, 2019 17:26:58 GMT -5
Winter break tryouts for walk ons? Let me find my basketball shoes.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Dec 13, 2019 17:28:24 GMT -5
Hie did Alexander claim to have a 3.1 GPA when he’s in his first semester and exams aren’t even over? My thoughts too when I read his letter. Maybe he added up his midterm scores and a few quizzes and gave himself a GPA.
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Post by 757hoya on Dec 13, 2019 17:29:03 GMT -5
Given that I post all the time, I'll assume I am not one of the people you are identifying. That said, what do you expect? When things go really well, people flood the board. When things go really bad, they do the same. As someone who tirelessly defended JT3 to the bitter end, I am well aware of these people. That said, come on. As a fan, I am massively frustrated. Things looked up coming into this year. The tournament looked like a real possibility. The 2020 recruiting class was shaping up. And, now we are starting next year from a place and roster far worse than what Ewing inherited. To act like Ewing has no responsibility for this mess - and people questioning it are out of bounds - is really just taking being a homer to an extreme level. I don’t agree that it’s worse than what he inherited, honestly. Not happy with the players’ conduct and roster stability, but the on-court product is much better right now IMO. And let’s not pretend that in the current environment of college basketball, restocking talent quickly is all that hard. I’m more concerned with the type of person we are bringing in. Excatly. This is definitely NOT what most of us had envisioned for this team before this season began. BUT you have to pull up the weeds so the garden can grow... Sure it sucks to have four very good basketball players by most accounts, just up and leave your program. But we need kids that WANT to be Hoyas, first and foremost. And understand what that means and how it is to be represented, both on and off the court. Sometimes you gamble on talent, despite some rough-around-the-edges type of personalities, hoping guidiance and culture can help mold ppl for the better. It doesn't always work, for a number of reasons. I refuse to get down on the entire program because a few kids didn't meet the standard of their predecessors. It happens...we move forward. For whatever reason, those four individuals were not fits for the culture PE is trying to build. I wish them all well in their endeavors, post-Georgetown. But unless some light is shed on PE and his lack of leadership or oversight, this isn't anything we can't recover from. Programs have recovered from worst.... MUCH worst. We have a slew of scollies open to top level talented scholar athletes. Kids who are looking to come into a place and get immediate playing time and showcase themselves. In one of the premier conferences for college basketball, at a program with a recognizable name and history. Its not a matter of ' if' but ' when' imo. Talent will come. We get through this season, show grit and determination to go along with some upside of the players already here and kids will take notice. This story is still being written...
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 13, 2019 17:37:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m good with it. At this point, I think there are 5 mpg available for me to play SG. How's your handle? Terrible, but at least I’m a streaky shooter who can sometimes drain a couple of wide open mid-range jumpers in a row. I still think the team might need me soon.
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Post by DallasHoya on Dec 13, 2019 17:45:00 GMT -5
At least the soccer game starts in 15 minutes.
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Post by DallasHoya on Dec 13, 2019 17:48:00 GMT -5
Surprised about Gardner. He had denied everything from the beginning, resolved the legal situation, was getting minutes and playing better, likely starter next year. Unfortunately, we may never know what truly happened.
Feel bad for Y7. Sat out a year for this.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Dec 13, 2019 17:51:09 GMT -5
Well some teams only play a 7 man rotation and do good with it.but the Hoyas like to play uptempo and I don’t think they can play that way now.the starters will be to tired to do it.so I guess they will start playing a slower tempo other win they press some.the offense will be easier to defend to with the Hoyas not pushing the tempo fast. They will need time to adjust to this so the next few games will probably get how they will play the rest of the season once big east games start.i don’t see how you can push the tempo without any depth,you can’t you have to slow it down pound it inside to yurtseven and Pickett down low and spot up for open threes.press some at Times to try get a few easy buckets and play hard half court defense and rebound and cut the turnovers down even more.little room for error now. With not much depth and that means double and triple teams down low,have to hit open shots. Tough blow but have to keep grinding.
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Post by guru on Dec 13, 2019 17:53:38 GMT -5
Surprised about Gardner. He had denied everything from the beginning, resolved the legal situation, was getting minutes and playing better, likely starter next year. Unfortunately, we may never know what truly happened. Feel bad for Y7. Sat out a year for this. Don’t feel bad for him. He’s much more of a centerpiece now - and if the team somehow makes the tourney and makes some noise, he’s in great shape.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 13, 2019 18:05:23 GMT -5
Hard to imagine any of this happens if only Ewing starts Josh like any reasonable coach would. This was quite the domino of events.
1. Josh doesn't play as much as he and everyone with 2 eyes though he should so he gets Editeded. Maybe he was suspended for a reason to be found out later but is still punished after the fact. 2. James also gets mad because Josh isn't playing enough because he has the aforementioned 2 eyes. 3. The team has a bad loss. 4. Josh and James decide to transfer. 5. The university puts out on of the worst "transfer" announcements known to man. 6. People starting digging and find the TRO info. 7. All hell breaks loose. 8. The Hoyas are left with 7 scholarship basketball players on the eve of playing bitter rival Syracuse.
I am not sure what the best conclusion of the legal case for the long term health of the program. If the players are truly innocent the school looks bad for not protecting them and essentially hanging them out to dry when they absolutely could have defended them. If they are guilty they look bad for playing the players and having a systemic issue. Anyone who thinks that this couldn't have been handled better by the university PR department or whomever is ultimately in charge of that is insane. This kind of stuff goes on at pretty much every university and is handled with by not hiding behind FERPA. I am not going to say this was a case of the cover up being worse than the crime because I don't know if a crime was committed, but I know something close to a cover up was until Josh got Editeded and decided to pack up. I guess you could say fortunately the Georgetown staff they didn't have to deal with it a lot so they were unprepared. That is no excuse. Someone has to pay the price. Those that have more of the facts will have to determine that. The university's decades long poor communication policy finally caught up to them in a big time way though that's for sure.
P.S. can someone tell me who the posters are that have come out from under their rocks in this thread. I want to make sure to keep track of them.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 13, 2019 18:09:50 GMT -5
Can Alexander transfer back to an SEC school? Where does he go from here?
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Post by hoyadestroya on Dec 13, 2019 18:10:51 GMT -5
Well my stomach just turned finding this news out, from the Syracuse news no less. I'm going to stop reading this board, enjoy the night , the game and then come back and see what everyone thinks the Hoyas go from here.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 13, 2019 18:35:55 GMT -5
Maybe, I am just an eternal optimist, but I really don't see--or envision--doom and gloom here. As for the University, I actually applaud them. They did what they had to do. They were trying to be fair to all involved, here, and when they had concluded their investigation, they acted. That's called leadership and integrity, as far as I am concerned. As for Pat, we cannot blame him for this fiasco. I have no doubt, the last thing he would have wanted was for this development and outcome. He loses two of his most productive players--his eyes and head on the court in Akinjo, an energetic and high motor player who plays with intensity in LaBlanc, and possibly two players that seem like a throwback to his own era at Georgetown.
These are young people. Young people--18, 19, 20 years old. Think back to some of the decisions we made when we were that age. Most of us just were not under the glare of a major university basketball program. I am very much saddened by this, as I am sure all of us are. I am heartbroken for the players and all involved in this tragedy. But triumph oftentimes comes from adversity and perseverance. We are not the first program to go through the fire. We will fight through this! We must! We can! Go Hoyas!
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 13, 2019 18:37:15 GMT -5
The staff should be held responsible for what a former student athlete does on Twitter? Really? The staff should be held responsible for putting together a team and losing 4 of the group. Yes. As far as Alexander, it's not like there were no warning signs from his LSU dismissal. I am not blaming Ewing personally at all for their misconduct. I am sure he is massively disappointed. But, he oversaw the program, and he's responsible. And while we may short-term be better off without Akinjo, the fact is Ewing lost arguably his most cherished recruit even though he wasn't directly involved in the alleged misconduct. Ewing is directly responsible for this mess because he's the head coach. May it be the result, in part, of bad luck? Maybe, but arguably JT3 was subject to bad luck along the way too, and he didn't get a pass either. The coach is responsible. We hear a lot about Ewing's talent evaluation, etc. But, when you're dealing with 16-22 year olds, that evaluation goes beyond the court. Actually you are blaming him. It's the whole Ewing can't read mantra.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 13, 2019 18:41:06 GMT -5
I’ll never understand why these two played last week. What changed from last Wednesday to today? I always had a weird feeling the season wasn’t long for either. Focusing on the basketball only, a shame we are losing two important pieces towards providing depth to a team that showed real promise last week.
I consider myself a neutral party on Ewing. When he first was hired, he was not my top choice and I was skeptical. I have questioned his moves or tactics often. But I have praised him many a time when he’s deserved it, and admittedly he has proven me wrong on multiple occasions (see last week).
But I think this is truly a point at which it’s fair to question his job. Why should we give him the second chance to rebuild this program in three years? The last two weeks aside, the results have been decidedly mixed (recruiting, record, tactics, etc). If he takes us through another three years like the last three, we risk burying this program further.
If the goal is to return the program to some semblance of success, I don’t think it’s unfair to say the chances of that are better with a new coach and a fresh start than that of letting Ewing rebuild the roster yet again.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 13, 2019 18:48:10 GMT -5
I’ll never understand why these two played last week. What changed from last Wednesday to today? I always had a weird feeling the season wasn’t long for either. Focusing on the basketball only, a shame we are losing two important pieces towards providing depth to a team that showed real promise last week. I consider myself a neutral party on Ewing. When he first was hired, he was not my top choice and I was skeptical. I have questioned his moves or tactics often. But I have praised him many a time when he’s deserved it, and admittedly he has proven me wrong on multiple occasions (see last week). But I think this is truly a point at which it’s fair to question his job. Why should we give him the second chance to rebuild this program in three years? The last two weeks aside, the results have been decidedly mixed (recruiting, record, tactics, etc). If he takes us through another three years like the last three, we risk burying this program further. If the goal is to return the program to some semblance of success, I don’t think it’s unfair to say the chances of that are better with a new coach and a fresh start than that of letting Ewing rebuild the roster yet again. Actually you have been anti Ewing/Thompson's this whole time. So not surprising.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 13, 2019 18:49:49 GMT -5
Maybe, I am just an eternal optimist, but I really don't see--or envision--doom and gloom here. As for the University, I actually applaud them. They did what they had to do. They were trying to be fair to all involved, here, and when they had concluded their investigation, they acted. That's called leadership and integrity, as far as I am concerned. As for Pat, we cannot blame him for this fiasco. I have no doubt, the last thing he would have wanted was for this development and outcome. He loses two of his most productive players--his eyes and head on the court in Akinjo, an energetic and high motor player who plays with intensity in LaBlanc, and possibly two players that seem like a throwback to his own era at Georgetown. These are young people. Young people--18, 19, 20 years old. Think back to some of the decisions we made when we were that age. Most of us just were not under the glare of a major university basketball program. I am very much saddened by this, as I am sure all of us are. I am heartbroken for the players and all involved in this tragedy. But triumph oftentimes comes from adversity and perseverance. We are not the first program to go through the fire. We will fight through this! We must! We can! Go Hoyas! Exactly it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't. If Gardner and Alexander had stayed these same critics would be saying how can GU and Ewing keep them on the team. There's always some faux outrage.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 13, 2019 18:51:59 GMT -5
I’ll never understand why these two played last week. What changed from last Wednesday to today? I always had a weird feeling the season wasn’t long for either. Focusing on the basketball only, a shame we are losing two important pieces towards providing depth to a team that showed real promise last week. I consider myself a neutral party on Ewing. When he first was hired, he was not my top choice and I was skeptical. I have questioned his moves or tactics often. But I have praised him many a time when he’s deserved it, and admittedly he has proven me wrong on multiple occasions (see last week). But I think this is truly a point at which it’s fair to question his job. Why should we give him the second chance to rebuild this program in three years? The last two weeks aside, the results have been decidedly mixed (recruiting, record, tactics, etc). If he takes us through another three years like the last three, we risk burying this program further. If the goal is to return the program to some semblance of success, I don’t think it’s unfair to say the chances of that are better with a new coach and a fresh start than that of letting Ewing rebuild the roster yet again. Actually you have been anti Ewing/Thompson's this whole time. So not surprising. I have? I prob have been critical but far from the negative voice other have been. Honestly I don’t care at this point. Just would like to see this program succeed regardless of who is leading us.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 13, 2019 18:53:18 GMT -5
College athletics are all about stability. We've already had a rough year, let's not throw a grenade on it quite yet. If the events of this year have a year over year negative effect then go for change but until that happens we should stick with a Hoya that can do the job.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 13, 2019 18:55:22 GMT -5
College athletics are all about stability. We've already had a rough year, let's not throw a grenade on it quite yet. If the events of this year have a year over year negative effect then go for change but until that happens we should stick with a Hoya that can do the job. You’d be hard pressed to call this situation “stable” with the transfers/decommits this program has endured over the last few years.
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