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Post by TC on Dec 13, 2019 16:24:22 GMT -5
Galen Alexander just apparently tweeted out an attack on one of the accusers by name. I'm not linking to it because it names her. How does that not violate whatever order that was agreed on yesterday? Actually, it probably would. At least it won't affect his future GU playing time.... It don't think it would have affected his playing time even if he weren't transferring.... that's kind of why you have 68 Professors circulating a letter.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 13, 2019 16:26:28 GMT -5
There is no way to spin mass transfers as anything other than a negative for the University and the coaching staff. Be certain that this situation will make it hard for recruiting and again set this program back in its efforts to rebuild. Coaches will be blamed one way or another for what has happened and unfortunately Ewing does not have a proven track record to earn him the benefit of the doubt. I also find it laughable that 68 presumably intelligent faculty members chose to weigh in on this situation with almost certainly no more information than anyone else. Not defending the Administration or the Athletic Department but I am hard pressed to see what they could have done that would not have alienated someone--either the alleged culprits or their accusers and the families of all. I don't know how anyone can think that the 68 faculty chiming in didn't play a part in both players decision today. Could you imagine being a student athlete walking around campus, and going to class while members the faculty have judged you without any facts to be a criminal. Wouldn't be surprised if this didn't push Gardner & Alexander over the top in this decision. I think the real stain in this will be if the players involved in this are found to have done nothing wrong...
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Post by guru on Dec 13, 2019 16:28:18 GMT -5
What kind of morons are we bringing in to this program? Such a bad look. Alexander’s tweets belie a total lack of common sense and intelligence.
The staff should be held responsible.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 13, 2019 16:30:12 GMT -5
Galen Alexander just apparently tweeted out an attack on one of the accusers by name. I'm not linking to it because it names her. How does that not violate whatever order that was agreed on yesterday? Actually, it probably would. At least it won't affect his future GU playing time.... Her name has been all over the public court documents. That said He shouldn't be saying/tweeting anything regarding this situation...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 13, 2019 16:32:50 GMT -5
What kind of morons are we bringing in to this program? Such a bad look. Alexander’s tweets belie a total lack of common sense and intelligence. The staff should be held responsible. The staff should be held responsible for what a former student athlete does on Twitter? Really?
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 13, 2019 16:33:34 GMT -5
What kind of morons are we bringing in to this program? Such a bad look. Alexander’s tweets belie a total lack of common sense and intelligence. The staff should be held responsible. The problem is that Alexander came with a history-- he should have been on choirboy behavior for his second chance at a high major. Feel bad for the kid but hard to imagine him getting a third chance at this level. Spot on with respect to the staff--when you bring in a high profile coach like Ewing to coach the team, who doesn't have any administrative experience in running a program at a high level program like Georgetown, he needs to be surrounded by A+ level staff---not Ronnie Thompson.
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Post by junior on Dec 13, 2019 16:33:43 GMT -5
There is no way to spin mass transfers as anything other than a negative for the University and the coaching staff. Be certain that this situation will make it hard for recruiting and again set this program back in its efforts to rebuild. Coaches will be blamed one way or another for what has happened and unfortunately Ewing does not have a proven track record to earn him the benefit of the doubt. I also find it laughable that 68 presumably intelligent faculty members chose to weigh in on this situation with almost certainly no more information than anyone else. Not defending the Administration or the Athletic Department but I am hard pressed to see what they could have done that would not have alienated someone--either the alleged culprits or their accusers and the families of all. I don't know how anyone can think that the 68 faculty chiming in didn't play a part in both players decision today. Could you imagine being a student athlete walking around campus, and going to class while members the faculty have judged you without any facts to be a criminal. Wouldn't be surprised if this didn't push Gardner & Alexander over the top in this decision. I think the real stain in this will be if the players involved in this are found to have done nothing wrong... Agree. The staff seems to want to punish the program, just my opinion
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2019 16:35:25 GMT -5
What kind of morons are we bringing in to this program? Such a bad look. Alexander’s tweets belie a total lack of common sense and intelligence. The staff should be held responsible. Even if Alexander is totally innocent as he claims, his tweets are indefensible, immature, and unwarranted. Now this guy has been dismissed by LSU, accused of misconduct at another university, and wants to carry his career on to a third one. It is actually a bit astonishing to me that the fan base is so quiet about Ewing and his role in this. Where is the accountability? If any coach oversaw this at another school, I have to think HoyaTalk's take on it would be drastically different. For the record, I am not saying one way or the other what should happen to Ewing and staff, but they certainly need to be responsible. They put the group together, and the group has fallen apart.
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Post by junior on Dec 13, 2019 16:35:40 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can think that the 68 faculty chiming in didn't play a part in both players decision today. Could you imagine being a student athlete walking around campus, and going to class while members the faculty have judged you without any facts to be a criminal. Wouldn't be surprised if this didn't push Gardner & Alexander over the top in this decision. I think the real stain in this will be if the players involved in this are found to have done nothing wrong... Agree. The staff seems to want to punish the program, just my opinion Sorry, correction, faculty staff...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 16:37:08 GMT -5
Birds of a feather - are we really this shocked about this news? I have to think everyone on this board suspected there was a 50/50 chance of this happening. I’m not ready to give up on Ewing for a Shaka Smart type experiment. He took our team from complete shambles and had us one win away from the tournament in just one full recruiting cycle. He has certainly proven that he has a keen eye for talent and can clearly coach. I suspect (just suspect) some of the remaining players are relieved from today’s news (no information, just from observing their body language towards each other on the court). I believe Ewing can and will get 2-3 talented players (JuCo-transfer) and keep us competitive. He has a lot of minutes to sell and I think the remaining core players enjoy learning and playing for him-which new recruits will hear and see.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2019 16:38:16 GMT -5
Who was the lead recruiter for LeBlanc, Alexander, Gardner?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2019 16:38:17 GMT -5
What kind of morons are we bringing in to this program? Such a bad look. Alexander’s tweets belie a total lack of common sense and intelligence. The staff should be held responsible. The staff should be held responsible for what a former student athlete does on Twitter? Really? The staff should be held responsible for putting together a team and losing 4 of the group. Yes. As far as Alexander, it's not like there were no warning signs from his LSU dismissal. I am not blaming Ewing personally at all for their misconduct. I am sure he is massively disappointed. But, he oversaw the program, and he's responsible. And while we may short-term be better off without Akinjo, the fact is Ewing lost arguably his most cherished recruit even though he wasn't directly involved in the alleged misconduct. Ewing is directly responsible for this mess because he's the head coach. May it be the result, in part, of bad luck? Maybe, but arguably JT3 was subject to bad luck along the way too, and he didn't get a pass either. The coach is responsible. We hear a lot about Ewing's talent evaluation, etc. But, when you're dealing with 16-22 year olds, that evaluation goes beyond the court.
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Post by guru on Dec 13, 2019 16:39:28 GMT -5
What kind of morons are we bringing in to this program? Such a bad look. Alexander’s tweets belie a total lack of common sense and intelligence. The staff should be held responsible. The staff should be held responsible for what a former student athlete does on Twitter? Really? for bringing him in to begin with. And it’s not as if his is an isolated issue. To be clear, I’m not calling for Ewing to be fired. I just think he now deserves a ton more scrutiny and accountability - as does his entire staff.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 13, 2019 16:39:55 GMT -5
Good to see those posters that are always absent on here in good times, like clockwork are posting on every thread they can find right now to spread their hate of the program & Coach Ewing...
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 13, 2019 16:40:55 GMT -5
I am not going to comment on the transfers directly, but it is sad that we have 4 in-season transfers. Rather, I am going to focus on the consequences. Yes, Ewing is not fully responsible for his players' misconduct. But, Ewing is directly responsible for shepherding the program forward, and in this sense he has failed and that is his responsibility. This is a major problem going forward. Our scholarship roster for next year consists of freshmen Dante Harris and Sibley (assuming they enroll), Jahvon Blair, Pickett, McClung, Timothy Ighoefe, Malcom Wilson, and Wahab. That's only 8 guys, 3 of whom are centers. I think we will be okay this year, but the roster going forward is a complete disaster. I know that people thought we were in dire straights at the end of the JT3 era, but this is clearly worse. We can barely field a team of 5 guys next year, we are essentially rebuilding from scratch again, and it's incredibly difficult seeing how this team could make the tournament (again, not including this year) for at least a few more years. It is a very sad state of affairs, but it is hard to be optimistic as a Hoyas fan. This would be a bigger problem in the era before grad transfers. It is ideal? No. Can we get through this? Yes.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 13, 2019 16:41:44 GMT -5
What kind of morons are we bringing in to this program? Such a bad look. Alexander’s tweets belie a total lack of common sense and intelligence. The staff should be held responsible. Even if Alexander is totally innocent as he claims, his tweets are indefensible, immature, and unwarranted. Now this guy has been dismissed by LSU, accused of misconduct at another university, and wants to carry his career on to a third one. It is actually a bit astonishing to me that the fan base is so quiet about Ewing and his role in this. Where is the accountability? If any coach oversaw this at another school, I have to think HoyaTalk's take on it would be drastically different. For the record, I am not saying one way or the other what should happen to Ewing, but they certainly need to be responsible. They put the group together, and the group has fallen apart. Agree with all of this. It is a total rebuild. 3 returning players that aren't Centers. Hard to believe this is true, but the program is in far worse shape than the one he inherited. Why should anyone believe that this is the staff to entrust with a second rebuild of the program? Even if Ewing survives, he has to have an entire new staff put around him--not just on the bench.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2019 16:42:43 GMT -5
Good to see those posters that are always absent on here in good times, like clockwork are posting on every thread they can find right now to spread their hate of the program & Coach Ewing... Given that I post all the time, I'll assume I am not one of the people you are identifying. That said, what do you expect? When things go really well, people flood the board. When things go really bad, they do the same. As someone who tirelessly defended JT3 to the bitter end (even though I acknowledged that there were problems), I am well aware of these people. That said, come on. As a fan, I am massively frustrated. Things looked up coming into this year. The tournament looked like a real possibility. The 2020 recruiting class was shaping up. And, now we are starting next year from a place and roster far worse than what Ewing inherited. To act like Ewing has no responsibility for this mess - and people questioning it are out of bounds - is really just taking being a homer to an extreme level.
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Post by guru on Dec 13, 2019 16:42:56 GMT -5
Good to see those posters that are always absent on here in good times, like clockwork are posting on every thread they can find right now to spread their hate of the program & Coach Ewing... It’s very true that some posters have been waiting to pounce on Ewing at every opportunity, and tend to disappear from the board at the first sign of any positive news. Also true that Ewing is handing them a lot of ammunition so far this season.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 13, 2019 16:43:31 GMT -5
I am not going to comment on the transfers directly, but it is sad that we have 4 in-season transfers. Rather, I am going to focus on the consequences. Yes, Ewing is not fully responsible for his players' misconduct. But, Ewing is directly responsible for shepherding the program forward, and in this sense he has failed and that is his responsibility. This is a major problem going forward. Our scholarship roster for next year consists of freshmen Dante Harris and Sibley (assuming they enroll), Jahvon Blair, Pickett, McClung, Timothy Ighoefe, Malcom Wilson, and Wahab. That's only 8 guys, 3 of whom are centers. I think we will be okay this year, but the roster going forward is a complete disaster. I know that people thought we were in dire straights at the end of the JT3 era, but this is clearly worse. We can barely field a team of 5 guys next year, we are essentially rebuilding from scratch again, and it's incredibly difficult seeing how this team could make the tournament (again, not including this year) for at least a few more years. It is a very sad state of affairs, but it is hard to be optimistic as a Hoyas fan. This would be a bigger problem in the era before grad transfers. It is ideal? No. Can we get through this? Yes. Completely agree that the era of grad transfers and the transfer portal makes a rebuild easier-- and am confident that Patrick Ewing will put in the work. I'm not sure Patrick Ewing has been surrounded with the right people around him to accomplish this.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 13, 2019 16:44:16 GMT -5
Those posters who have crawled out from under rocks to call for Ewing to leave should just crawl back under those rocks.
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