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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 13, 2019 15:23:24 GMT -5
I dont even know how it would be possible to have another shoe drop...we can barely put a team on the court as it stands right now...
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 13, 2019 15:25:03 GMT -5
The university and basketball program were caught in bad position. They couldn't publicly defend the players for legal reasons or allow the players to say anything either while the media ran wild in many cases falsely accusing the players of heinous crimes, later finding out they were just accusations in a TRO and never correcting the record. The above did not happen, unless you consider someone on reddit "the media", which they are not.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 13, 2019 15:27:15 GMT -5
Is it possible for the program to add scholarship players to the roster for the second semester? Not sure where these players would come from, how good they would be or how the eligibility thing would work for them, but if the program really wanted to redshirt Tim I and Wilson then maybe finding another eligible player to use for a few minutes a game might be an option. Maybe one or two of the walk ons will see a few minutes
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2019 15:29:40 GMT -5
One might also read the Alexander statement and decision as a response to a university disciplinary process that was about to not end favorably in his eyes. We will never know that answer.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 13, 2019 15:30:20 GMT -5
Time to hold some open tryouts. Any football players that used to play basketball?
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 13, 2019 15:31:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to not have a knee jerk reaction, as the Akinjo / LeBlanc departures appear to be additions by subtraction.
That being said, the decisions to play Gardner / Alexander / LeBlanc will face a new round of scrutiny.
Going forward we will have to drastically change our style of play to survive w a rotation of 7. There might be a point of no return with the amount of capable bodies. I do not see Wilson or TI being impactful this year.
Longer term we're going to have to ask real questions of where we're headed. This 3 year period almost feels like a distinct chapter and we're going to be starting over a rebuild next year.
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Post by gunny on Dec 13, 2019 15:32:16 GMT -5
By my count, we have 4 open scholarships next year and that does not include Yurt. Is that correct??
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 13, 2019 15:32:17 GMT -5
Is it possible for the program to add scholarship players to the roster for the second semester? Not sure where these players would come from, how good they would be or how the eligibility thing would work for them, but if the program really wanted to redshirt Tim I and Wilson then maybe finding another eligible player to use for a few minutes a game might be an option. Maybe one or two of the walk ons will see a few minutes I'm not an expert in this so my apologies if I get any of this wrong. 1. The Hoyas could get a high school recruit or international recruit that is eligible to graduate and enroll early (similar to Hollis Thompson and Stephen Domingo). 2. The Hoyas can not get a regular or juco transfer who will be eligible immediately, though it sounds like there could be a loophole for a graduate transfer. Based on a NCAA transfer doc, this was one of the clauses about exceptions to sitting out a year: "If you are a baseball or basketball student-athlete meeting a transfer exception but are transferring to a Division I school at the start of winter or spring term, the earliest you would be eligible to compete would be the following fall term. This midyear transfer application may not apply if you are a Division I graduate transfer, so check with your compliance office if you are transferring after graduating."
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Dec 13, 2019 15:33:20 GMT -5
We don't have the facts, so I have no idea why and how and who is at fault. You have to admit that the University and program were in a tough spot. In today's environment, there is very little that could be said in support of the players that wouldn't lead to outrage. Look at the faculty letter released today as Exhibit 1. You may be right but it just doesn't matter. This can't happen. Either they brought on the wrong players, handled the situation incorrectly or have fostered a terrible environment and culture for the players. Or all of the above. The coach and university can't be off the hook because we don't have details. No way I can accept this is just a tough situation and shrug my shoulders. Is it possible this was just a perfect storm? Unlikely but fine. It's possible. Either way this could pretty much be the death blow to the whole program that's been hanging by a thread anyway. It's just sad. I was excited to take my four year old son to the game on Saturday, just like my father took me when I was his age. I want to instill the same passion and enthusiasm I've had for the past 38 years. But the fact is, I just don't have much left nor do I have much hope for the program. At least we always had integrity before this whole mess.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 13, 2019 15:33:40 GMT -5
By my count, we have 4 open scholarships next year and that does not include Yurt. Is that correct?? Correct
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 13, 2019 15:33:42 GMT -5
Wow, this is amazing. 4 transfers in-season. This sucks.
This team has no depth now. It will be interesting who will be the 3rd guy off of the bench; IG/Wilson, or Muresan or ...? Not good.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 13, 2019 15:36:42 GMT -5
I'm trying to not have a knee jerk reaction, as the Akinjo / LeBlanc departures appear to be additions by subtraction. That being said, the decisions to play Gardner / Alexander / LeBlanc will face a new round of scrutiny. Going forward we will have to drastically change our style of play to survive w a rotation of 7. There might be a point of no return with the amount of capable bodies. I do not see Wilson or TI being impactful this year. Longer term we're going to have to ask real questions of where we're headed. This 3 year period almost feels like a distinct chapter and we're going to be starting over a rebuild next year. Not sure how you can play a 7 man rotation with what is left unless you plan on having Jagan play some 4...
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Post by calhoya on Dec 13, 2019 15:36:46 GMT -5
There is no way to spin mass transfers as anything other than a negative for the University and the coaching staff. Be certain that this situation will make it hard for recruiting and again set this program back in its efforts to rebuild. Coaches will be blamed one way or another for what has happened and unfortunately Ewing does not have a proven track record to earn him the benefit of the doubt. I also find it laughable that 68 presumably intelligent faculty members chose to weigh in on this situation with almost certainly no more information than anyone else. Not defending the Administration or the Athletic Department but I am hard pressed to see what they could have done that would not have alienated someone--either the alleged culprits or their accusers and the families of all.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 13, 2019 15:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 13, 2019 15:41:42 GMT -5
There is no way to spin mass transfers as anything other than a negative for the University and the coaching staff. Be certain that this situation will make it hard for recruiting and again set this program back in its efforts to rebuild. Coaches will be blamed one way or another for what has happened and unfortunately Ewing does not have a proven track record to earn him the benefit of the doubt. I also find it laughable that 68 presumably intelligent faculty members chose to weigh in on this situation with almost certainly no more information than anyone else. Not defending the Administration or the Athletic Department but I am hard pressed to see what they could have done that would not have alienated someone--either the alleged culprits or their accusers and the families of all. 68 faculty? Is this referring to some email that went out? Can somebody post?
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 13, 2019 15:43:03 GMT -5
There is no way to spin mass transfers as anything other than a negative for the University and the coaching staff. Be certain that this situation will make it hard for recruiting and again set this program back in its efforts to rebuild. Coaches will be blamed one way or another for what has happened and unfortunately Ewing does not have a proven track record to earn him the benefit of the doubt. I also find it laughable that 68 presumably intelligent faculty members chose to weigh in on this situation with almost certainly no more information than anyone else. Not defending the Administration or the Athletic Department but I am hard pressed to see what they could have done that would not have alienated someone--either the alleged culprits or their accusers and the families of all. 68 faculty? Is this referring to some email that went out? Can somebody post? hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/852583/thread
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 13, 2019 15:43:07 GMT -5
I'm trying to not have a knee jerk reaction, as the Akinjo / LeBlanc departures appear to be additions by subtraction. That being said, the decisions to play Gardner / Alexander / LeBlanc will face a new round of scrutiny. Going forward we will have to drastically change our style of play to survive w a rotation of 7. There might be a point of no return with the amount of capable bodies. I do not see Wilson or TI being impactful this year. Longer term we're going to have to ask real questions of where we're headed. This 3 year period almost feels like a distinct chapter and we're going to be starting over a rebuild next year. Not sure how you can play a 7 man rotation with what is left unless you plan on having Jagan play some 4... Or Yurt/Wahab sharing time together. Maybe you go to a zone for those minutes w twin towers. But agree it's going to be difficult
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 13, 2019 15:49:04 GMT -5
Hey we were a much better team after the first set of transfers, clearly we were worried that bump would wear off so we had to have another two transfer so that our improved play could last the rest of the year. We're clearly winning the Big East now.
Allen, Mac, mosley, Pickett, Yurt with a bench of Wahab and Blair.
Lots of Guys playing 30+ minutes.
Lots of teams only go 7 deep.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 13, 2019 15:51:57 GMT -5
At the end....we are left with no true power forward, but l like who we still have left.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 13, 2019 15:52:20 GMT -5
Hey we were a much better team after the first set of transfers, clearly we were worried that bump would wear off so we had to have another two transfer so that our improved play could last the rest of the year. We're clearly winning the Big East now. Allen, Mac, mosley, Pickett, Yurt with a bench of Wahab and Blair. Lots of Guys playing 30+ minutes. Lots of teams only go 7 deep. So what happens if we have an injury? I think our walk-ons/redshirts are getting playing time...
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