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Post by gatormcclusky on Dec 11, 2019 13:10:39 GMT -5
To steal from coach Norman Dale: I would hope you would support who we are, not who we are not. These individuals have made a choice to work. A choice to sacrifice. To put themselves on the line over the next four months. To represent you, this school. That kind of commitment and effort deserves and demands your respect. This is your team. IMO the most overrated basketball/sports movie. Leave the ball, will ya George?
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 11, 2019 15:08:52 GMT -5
One thing that's not talked about is why did Coach Ewing felt the need to bring in a 5th year free agent with the high pedigree (starter on an NCAA tournament team) of Allen instead of a freshman PG to learn from Akinjo? Coach Ewing obviously knew something. Whether it was for Allen to mold Akinjo into more of a team first PG or a break glass type of situation that ended up coming to fruition, Coach Ewing knew/sensed something... I think you may be giving Pat too much credit here. It's not like Pat didn't try to recruit HS PG/CGs in 2019. Allen wanted to come back home and I would be shocked if he didn't reach out first. You are never going to turn down someone with Allen's resume when they come knocking and you have a need after whiffing on HS players. We can tell from Pat's recruiting what kind of guards he wants and quite frankly they are the complete opposite of Allen. They are ball dominant scorers and defense does not seem to be anywhere near the top of the requirements. That has been the case the whole time and continues even with Harris. I don't think even Akinjo knew he was unhappy when Allen came in so there was no way for coach to know.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 11, 2019 15:12:59 GMT -5
I think he just knew that you want (a) multiple point guards and (b) you want experience at that position, and Akinjo is only a sophomore. I do not think he "obviously knew something". Two years ago, when we had no one who could bring the ball up the floor through a trap or press- especially in crucial moments - is why you want Allen even though you have Akinjo. I read less into Allen's recruitment than that. Primarily, I think Ewing probably saw a talented, experienced point guard who could serve as an able backup to Akinjo, and more importantly, he was available. Were there any freshman of similar quality even available? I am sure the recruiting gurus could answer that, but to some extent, I'm guessing Ewing took Allen because it was an area of need and he had pretty good experience. Ewing will need to try to get someone similar, because we aren't likely to get a freshman who is talented enough to just slip into Allen's shoes. Pat will have to do a complete 180 on his recruiting philosophy to start bringing in more PG like Allen. Maybe Allen will completely change his outlook on what kind of PG he needs and quite frankly make him a supremely better coach. JA leaving could not only save this year but the rest of Pat's time here.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 11, 2019 15:18:19 GMT -5
James Akinjo's legacy at Georgetown is unfulfilled possibilities and the fact that he quit on his team mid-season. That's it, nothing else.
HE wrote that book, not the fans, his ex-teammates, the university, or the coaches.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 11, 2019 15:25:11 GMT -5
James Akinjo's legacy at Georgetown is unfulfilled possibilities and the fact that he quit on his team mid-season. That's it, nothing else. HE wrote that book, not the fans, his ex-teammates, the university, or the coaches. Would it have been better that he transferred last summer, absolutely, but I would much rather he transfer when he did then stick around being miserable effecting the remaining 25 plus games left on the schedule. You say he quit, I think he did Georgetown a favor...
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 11, 2019 15:30:31 GMT -5
James Akinjo's legacy at Georgetown is unfulfilled possibilities and the fact that he quit on his team mid-season. That's it, nothing else. HE wrote that book, not the fans, his ex-teammates, the university, or the coaches. Would it have been better that he transferred last summer, absolutely, but I would much rather he transfer when he did then stick around being miserable effecting the remaining 25 plus games left on the schedule. You say he quit, I think he did Georgetown a favor... If James doesn't quit when he did this would have been another lost season. I think it can easily be argued that the team we have now is the least talented one Pat has had and at least through 2 games has performed the best. If James plays the rest of this year we lose Allen and I seriously doubt we bring in someone of his caliber and more importantly mindset next year so it would have been more of the same regardless if JA left or stayed. He not only did us a HUGE favor for this year but probably for many years to come assuming this thing is truly turned around.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 11, 2019 15:36:59 GMT -5
One thing that's not talked about is why did Coach Ewing felt the need to bring in a 5th year free agent with the high pedigree (starter on an NCAA tournament team) of Allen instead of a freshman PG to learn from Akinjo? Coach Ewing obviously knew something. Whether it was for Allen to mold Akinjo into more of a team first PG or a break glass type of situation that ended up coming to fruition, Coach Ewing knew/sensed something... I agree with this. Always thought he was going to come in to spell akinjo for 8-12 minutes a game as a capable backup. However in hindsight Ewing May have been bringing him in as an insurance policy as well. Somewhat similar to the recruitment of Sibley shortly after Williams had just declared. These moves make a lot more sense in hindsight. Harris as well although we were clearly going to need another guard in next years class even before Akinjo left. That's how I looked at the signing of Allen at the time as the "Insurance Policy". Whether that was insurance in case Akinjo game/coach abililty didn't mature or worst case scenario. Last season Coach Ewing had no long term choice at the PG position. He couldn't bench Akinjo for long periods as a teachable moment. Everyone was aware of that especially Akinjo. Why else would he on multiple occasions disregard his head coach. I think Coach Ewing brought in a fail safe by the way of Allen to better manage Akinjo. I would not be surprised one bit if after watching the game video of the UNC-G game Coach Ewing decided to pull Akinjo from the starting lineup for Ok St. game (as a lesson to real him in) and Akinjo lost it and decided to transfer. You can tell Akinjo is wired to run hot all the time. A decision like that probably got him to boil over...
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 11, 2019 15:40:54 GMT -5
Would it have been better that he transferred last summer, absolutely, but I would much rather he transfer when he did then stick around being miserable effecting the remaining 25 plus games left on the schedule. You say he quit, I think he did Georgetown a favor... If James doesn't quit when he did this would have been another lost season. I think it can easily be argued that the team we have now is the least talented one Pat has had and at least through 2 games has performed the best. If James plays the rest of this year we lose Allen and I seriously doubt we bring in someone of his caliber and more importantly mindset next year so it would have been more of the same regardless if JA left or stayed. He not only did us a HUGE favor for this year but probably for many years to come assuming this thing is truly turned around. The ultimate outcome for this year's team is a long way from being determined. But Akinjo's quitter legacy is set in stone. To paraphrase another poster, the Akinjo we COULD HAVE HAD will be missed. The one we ACTUALLY ENDED UP HAVING? Good riddance.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 11, 2019 15:53:52 GMT -5
There were rumors that Josh wanted to transfer as far back as his freshman year. Anytime anything went sideways he had one foot out the door. Terrible for culture and at the end of the day while he had potential and glimpses of greatness....not worth the head ache.
Glad everyone is moving on.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 11, 2019 15:56:01 GMT -5
IMO the most overrated basketball/sports movie. How does a post like this not get censored or get you banned? How can anyone take you seriously when you call the great magnum opus of basketball movies—nay, ALL sports movies—overrated? Sorry...there are plenty of way better sports based movies IMO. Basketball alone you have "He Got Game", "Coach Carter", one of my personal favs because of Georgetown tie in "Above The Rim", and last but not least "Glory Road" just to mention a few... Another All Time Great sports movie is (not trying to thread jack) "Remember The Titans". Second tier greats include "Major League", "The Program", Blue Chips"and comedies like "The Waterboy" & "Happy Gilmore", "Kingpin" come to mind. I wouldn't include Hoosier in any of my top sports movies. It's just an okay movie. Just my opinion...
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 11, 2019 17:40:11 GMT -5
One thing that's not talked about is why Coach Ewing felt the need to bring in a 5th year free agent with the high pedigree (starter on an NCAA tournament team) of Allen instead of a freshman PG to learn from Akinjo? Coach Ewing obviously knew something. Whether it was for Allen to mold Akinjo into more of a team first PG or a break glass type of situation that ended up coming to fruition, Coach Ewing knew/sensed something... I think that you have nailed it. Also think about it from Allen’s point of view: why would a starter from a tournament team transfer to- of all places GU. I know he is a District kid, but to back up the BE ROY, get maybe 10- 12 minutes a game? I wish James well, but why not pull the plug after last season? Cry homesick, everyone comes out looking better.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 11, 2019 18:13:43 GMT -5
There were rumors that Josh wanted to transfer as far back as his freshman year. Anytime anything went sideways he had one foot out the door. Terrible for culture and at the end of the day while he had potential and glimpses of greatness....not worth the head ache. Glad everyone is moving on. LeBlanc was a high energy player who brought some real excitement back to the program. Akinjo also energized the program with his play, though selfish at times, and helped to revive interest in the program after years of complacency. Ditto for McClung. Each of them contributed to the uptempo system that Ewing wants to implement. I am grateful for their contributions in reviving national interest in Hoya basketball. It is unfortunate that two of them want to play elsewhere. However, there is no need for any bitterness or anger toward the departing players at this point as it seems everyone agrees that given their unhappiness the team is actually benefiting from their departure. Time to look forward and see that these developments present a real opportunity for others like Blair, McClung, Gardner, Allen, and Pickett. These are not a group of Division II players as a couple hundred teams would take any of them right now. Most importantly, this presents an opportunity for Ewing to prove his coaching abilities by having to adjust on the fly from the team he thought he had to the one that remains. In the past two games there has been real evidence that Ewing is a coach who can adapt and thrive in the college environment. Hope it continues.
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 11, 2019 18:50:38 GMT -5
How does a post like this not get censored or get you banned? How can anyone take you seriously when you call the great magnum opus of basketball movies—nay, ALL sports movies—overrated? Sorry...there are plenty of way better sports based movies IMO. Basketball alone you have "He Got Game", "Coach Carter", one of my personal favs because of Georgetown tie in "Above The Rim", and last but not least "Glory Road" just to mention a few... Another All Time Great sports movie is (not trying to thread jack) "Remember The Titans". Second tier greats include "Major League", "The Program", Blue Chips"and comedies like "The Waterboy" & "Happy Gilmore", "Kingpin" come to mind. I wouldn't include Hoosier in any of my top sports movies. It's just an okay movie. Just my opinion... All you’re second tiers are above glory road and Coach Carter. All five are good though. Finding forester is quasi but would be on the list.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 11, 2019 19:54:37 GMT -5
One thing that's not talked about is why Coach Ewing felt the need to bring in a 5th year free agent with the high pedigree (starter on an NCAA tournament team) of Allen instead of a freshman PG to learn from Akinjo? Coach Ewing obviously knew something. Whether it was for Allen to mold Akinjo into more of a team first PG or a break glass type of situation that ended up coming to fruition, Coach Ewing knew/sensed something... I think that you have nailed it. Also think about it from Allen’s point of view: why would a starter from a tournament team transfer to- of all places GU. I know he is a District kid, but to back up the BE ROY, get maybe 10- 12 minutes a game? I wish James well, but why not pull the plug after last season? Cry homesick, everyone comes out looking better. Or, ya know, its possible Ewing looked at his roster, thought it was really good and just needed some veteran savvy to round it out, and also was concerned that Akinjo needed some cover at the point considering he played 30+ minutes per game last season. And Allen was interested because he's from the area, liked Ewing and believed he would have an important role to play on a team on the rise in a major conference. No reason for silly conspiracies that Ewing "knew" that Akinjo was going to leave--according to this theory Ewing's sell to Allen was that he would get lots of playing time because Akinjo would vanish mid-season... Come on.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 11, 2019 20:25:48 GMT -5
How does a post like this not get censored or get you banned? How can anyone take you seriously when you call the great magnum opus of basketball movies—nay, ALL sports movies—overrated? Sorry...there are plenty of way better sports based movies IMO. Basketball alone you have "He Got Game", "Coach Carter", one of my personal favs because of Georgetown tie in "Above The Rim", and last but not least "Glory Road" just to mention a few... Another All Time Great sports movie is (not trying to thread jack) "Remember The Titans". Second tier greats include "Major League", "The Program", Blue Chips"and comedies like "The Waterboy" & "Happy Gilmore", "Kingpin" come to mind. I wouldn't include Hoosier in any of my top sports movies. It's just an okay movie. Just my opinion... The Longest Yard. Not the never should have been made piece of garbage with Adam Sandler, the original with Burt Reynolds, Richard "I think I broke his #%*!@# neck" Kiel and Ray Nitschke. His-tow-ree.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 11, 2019 20:44:13 GMT -5
Very interesting read particularly Mac's quote...
The Hoyas recorded 26 dimes on their 34 made field goals against the Mustangs. This is always an emphasis of Ewing’s approach; his first two Georgetown teams ranked second (65.2 percent) and 15th (60.6 percent) in the country in assist rate. His 2019-20 team hadn’t come close to approaching that mark. Saturday’s rate of 77 percent was by far a season-high.
“We shared the ball,” Ewing says. “The ball didn’t stick. The ball movement was a lot better than it had been in the past. Nothing to say negative about those guys that are leaving, because they are, or they did, do some great things to help our program. They will be missed. But guys are just stepping up.”
From the inside-out, too, the basketball just felt better — the kind of amorphous change that is hard to notice before it happens but is overwhelmingly obvious when everything starts to click.
“It’s hard being inside and then looking from the outside, like Coach is watching,” McClung says. “But I definitely felt it the last two games, after listening to Coach. Everybody could see it, and we felt it as a team. We felt more connected.”
No one at Georgetown will tell you the team is better off without Akinjo and LeBlanc. (McClung, the long remaining classmate, says: “It’s really none of my business. I wish the best for those guys, they’re my bros for my life, it’s their decision and I don’t really have a comment on it.”) But it is hard not to notice the types of things being said, and draw comparisons accordingly.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Dec 11, 2019 21:57:23 GMT -5
There were rumors that Josh wanted to transfer as far back as his freshman year. Anytime anything went sideways he had one foot out the door. Terrible for culture and at the end of the day while he had potential and glimpses of greatness....not worth the head ache. Glad everyone is moving on. LeBlanc was a high energy player who brought some real excitement back to the program. Akinjo also energized the program with his play, though selfish at times, and helped to revive interest in the program after years of complacency. Ditto for McClung. Each of them contributed to the uptempo system that Ewing wants to implement. I am grateful for their contributions in reviving national interest in Hoya basketball. It is unfortunate that two of them want to play elsewhere. However, there is no need for any bitterness or anger toward the departing players at this point as it seems everyone agrees that given their unhappiness the team is actually benefiting from their departure. Time to look forward and see that these developments present a real opportunity for others like Blair, McClung, Gardner, Allen, and Pickett. These are not a group of Division II players as a couple hundred teams would take any of them right now. Most importantly, this presents an opportunity for Ewing to prove his coaching abilities by having to adjust on the fly from the team he thought he had to the one that remains. In the past two games there has been real evidence that Ewing is a coach who can adapt and thrive in the college environment. Hope it continues. Despite Akinjo’s and Leblanc’s energy they are now a net negative for the program. Akinjo (and McClung) helped change the narrative that points/guards didn’t want to come to Georgetown. He also was part of establishing up tempo BB, a far cry from the stagnant Princeton offense. All of this being said the departure of two players will now change the narrative to players leave Georgetown. Great weapon on the recruiting trail. McClung alone would have changed the narrative about guards. Akinjo signing then leaving mid-season no less yields a big net negative.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 11, 2019 21:58:39 GMT -5
How does a post like this not get censored or get you banned? How can anyone take you seriously when you call the great magnum opus of basketball movies—nay, ALL sports movies—overrated? Sorry...there are plenty of way better sports based movies IMO. Basketball alone you have "He Got Game", "Coach Carter", one of my personal favs because of Georgetown tie in "Above The Rim", and last but not least "Glory Road" just to mention a few... Another All Time Great sports movie is (not trying to thread jack) "Remember The Titans". Second tier greats include "Major League", "The Program", Blue Chips"and comedies like "The Waterboy" & "Happy Gilmore", "Kingpin" come to mind. I wouldn't include Hoosier in any of my top sports movies. It's just an okay movie. Just my opinion... Coach Carter and Glory Road are schlock. Only the very best schlock should be watched (Remember the Titans qualifies) -- they are great stories but so poorly and generically done, the movie is just blah. Best basketball movie (fiction) is "White Men Can't Jump" but "He Got Game" is also excellent. "Hoop Dreams" is next level if you love documentaries. I can't believe you called Major League second tier. Unforgiveable.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 11, 2019 22:40:32 GMT -5
For sports movies, I'm partial to, "The Natural," and, "Miracle," and I'd also not turn off, "Slap Shot."
A list of excellence for how bad they are, I'd also have to include, "Youngblood." Most re-watchable, I'm probably going with, "The Program."
Best basketball movie, I'm sticking with, "White Men Can't Jump," followed by, "He Got Game," and finally, "Love and Basketball." Every time I want to hate, "He Got Game," because of Ray Allen, I'm reminded that Denzel tried to hustle Ray during their one-on-one scene and I respect that more than I hate Ray Allen.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 11, 2019 22:41:51 GMT -5
For best character in a sports movie, I'm going with Alvin Mack from, "The Program." The man was perfect. If someone brings up, "The Blind Side," I may lose it.
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